[Theory] Tobirama knows the best of Sharingan

[Mr Hiru]

IN CASE OF KAKASHI AND OBITO

Even if Kakashi's Obito's eyes are interconnected and if the agree to the statements that because of Obito's Sharingan changes to MS, Kakashi's also changed, then the story which we're following till now, that is, Obito used Kamui countless time when Kakashi wasn't even mastered over it as well as did not use his MS will result into a failure.
If both the MS gets activated at the same time then why not Kakashi's got activated whenever Obito uses his own MS.
We have seen the other MS users, that is, Sasuke, Itachi, Madara, whenever they activates their MS both eyes are turned to MS.
SO even if Tobirama's statement is partly correct in case of Uchihas, then the above explanation means even the normal humans can activate a transplanted Sharingan to MS if the pain is too high.
And for the case of Danzo, he had already suppressed his emotions, feelings completely (very close to complete) and that is why he cannot activate MS from a transplanted normal Sharingan, but can use MS if the eye is already evolved to MS. But that wasn't case in case of Kakashi.

I agree, I knew from the start that Kakashi was the one who activated Obito's MS because the emotional pain levels were too high, Uchiha brains are more driven by emotions and that's why they can reach these pain levels more easily, but in this case the traumatic event was too strong, so strong that even a normal brain could sprout this special chakra.

The fact that Kakashi and Obito's eyes wield some ability related to the Kamui dimension only makes me thing that the ability in the eye is related to the original user's techniques (for example, Kamui belongs to Obito, and Kakashi just has his eye, so that's why Kakashi can use it). Same goes for Sasuke, Amaterasu was transplanted from Itachi to Sasuke before Itachi's death, and Sasuke MS abilities were improved from the moment he transplanted Itachi's eyes to awake the EMS.

Probably Sasuke didn't have Amaterasu originally, but we know Sasuke had the control over these black flames... Now, why Sasuke can use Susano'o?

Well that question is the center of discussion on many threads already, and I already know ahhimane's point of view, so I guess there isn't the need to put it right here. All we know for sure is that both Amaterasu and Susano'o were inherited from Itachi's MS...

 

[Ahmed1993]

I agree, I knew from the start that Kakashi was the one who activated Obito's MS because the emotional pain levels were too high, Uchiha brains are more driven by emotions and that's why they can reach these pain levels more easily, but in this case the traumatic event was too strong, so strong that even a normal brain could sprout this special chakra.

The fact that Kakashi and Obito's eyes wield some ability related to the Kamui dimension only makes me thing that the ability in the eye is related to the original user's techniques (for example, Kamui belongs to Obito, and Kakashi just has his eye, so that's why Kakashi can use it). Same goes for Sasuke, Amaterasu was transplanted from Itachi to Sasuke before Itachi's death, and Sasuke MS abilities were improved from the moment he transplanted Itachi's eyes to awake the EMS.

Probably Sasuke didn't have Amaterasu originally, but we know Sasuke had the control over these black flames... Now, why Sasuke can use Susano'o?

Well that question is the center of discussion on many threads already, and I already know ahhimane's point of view, so I guess there isn't the need to put it right here. All we know for sure is that both Amaterasu and Susano'o were inherited from Itachi's MS...

First half is speculation.

Second half ( the one about Sasuke ) is wrong : Itachi implanted a one time use Amaterasu on Sasuke and it took Itachi's MS design when it did triggered on Obito.

EDIT: After reading all your post ? Are you serious bro ? Susanoo too ?
Well i have nothing to do with someone who denies the manga facts and put his own facts.
Ciao.

 

[Mr Hiru]

First half is speculation.

Second half ( the one about Sasuke ) is wrong : Itachi implanted a one time use Amaterasu on Sasuke and it took Itachi's MS design when it did triggered on Obito.

EDIT: After reading all your post ? Are you serious bro ? Susanoo too ?
Well i have nothing to do with someone who denies the manga facts and put his own facts.
Ciao.

If I remember well, in the chapter where Sasuke used Itachi's one-time-amaterasu Tobi stated that Itachi managed to transfer all his eye techniques to Sasuke.

But he said something interesting before... Tobi stated that he kept few Itachi's secrets too. Being a MS wielder, it's obvious Tobi didn't say this without having further knowledge.

I won't search it for you, as you think I'm inventing facts there and there. You better search it for yourself.

 

[-ahhimane-]

If I remember well, in the chapter where Sasuke used Itachi's one-time-amaterasu Tobi stated that Itachi managed to transfer all his eye techniques to Sasuke.

I won't search it for you, as you think I'm inventing facts there and there. You better search it for yourself.

Obito said that Itachi has transferred all his powers to Sasuke (with more confidence, why?).

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But we know what was Obito's intentions, that is, to manipulate Sasuke for his own purpose. That statement has to be a fake statement because Sasuke never released such powers like, (I'll say the powerful weapon and not Tsukuyomi because it'll create another debate ) Susano'o when he was battling against Killer Bee even in his difficult times while handling Killer Bee. He used his own MS powers which he awakened at those times. Those said statements really made Sasuke to listen to what Obito is trying to tell him about Itachi's truth. And Obito bluffed (about Itachi transferring him all the powers) but said the truth by confidence

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Obito confirmed what Itachi gave

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And what's the most important thing for Obito as I speculated above

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[Ahmed1993]

If I remember well, in the chapter where Sasuke used Itachi's one-time-amaterasu Tobi stated that Itachi managed to transfer all his eye techniques to Sasuke.

But he said something interesting before... Tobi stated that he kept few Itachi's secrets too. Being a MS wielder, it's obvious Tobi didn't say this without having further knowledge.

I won't search it for you, as you think I'm inventing facts there and there. You better search it for yourself.

Well you must re read the scans , he said he sealed Amaterasu in him that would trigger automatically in the sight of Obito's Sharingan.
And if itachi really transferred it to Sasuke then please explain me this :
Why when he use Amaterasu later there is no Itachi's MS design ?
Why Amaterasu don't trigger automatically at the sight of Obito's Sharingan after that ?

 

[Mr Hiru]

Obito said that Itachi has transferred all his powers to Sasuke (with more confidence, why?).

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But we know what was Obito's intentions, that is, to manipulate Sasuke for his own purpose. That statement has to be a fake statement because Sasuke never released such powers like, (I'll say the powerful weapon and not Tsukuyomi because it'll create another debate ) Susano'o when he was battling against Killer Bee even in his difficult times while handling Killer Bee. He used his own MS powers which he awakened at those times. Those said statements really made Sasuke to listen to what Obito is trying to tell him about Itachi's truth. And Obito bluffed (about Itachi transferring him all the powers) but said the truth by confidence

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Obito confirmed what Itachi gave

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And what's the most important thing for Obito as I speculated above

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I knew Obito had hidden intentions, but Sasuke has Susano'o, and we know what are the requirements to achieve Susano'o, from the Databook.

Databook states that...

- Susano'o needs mastery over Amaterasu AND Tsukuyomi
- The descriptions matches Itachi's version of Susano'o

And Manga stated that...

- Itachi transferred All his eyes techniques to Sasuke (may be a lie)
- Sasuke can use Amaterasu and Susano'o

The logic I'm using...

- We know that Itachi had way better control over Tsukuyomi than his Amaterasu.
- We know that Sasuke has a better control over Amaterasu, and there are 'hints' that might lead to Sasuke using his own lesser version of Tsukuyomi.
- Itachi was the one who transferred eye techniques to Sasuke, this means talking about Itachi's Susano'o requirements makes sense for Sasuke.

The problem for people who negates the possibility of Sasuke having Tsukuyomi is the following...

Negating the possibility of Sasuke having Tsukuyomi because he doesn't have used it is 'circumstancial ad hominem', since supported logic takes priority in cistumstances where there is no explicit support that negates the possibility.

As for your statement, it seems way too complicated (even if it's plausible), but it still is implicit support, while I'm giving an explicit one.

Finally, there are two options. You might be right and you're proving that Kishimoto's Databook is outdated, or Amaterasu & Tsukuyomi were really transferred to Sasuke eyes, (which I believe).