Tobirama is on a another level...

[Lilt]

And we know Hashirama had excess to Sharingans .

But unlike Kabuto, we don't know if Hashirama was transplant-obsessed.

And hes a imperfect sage. He didn't perfect the snake sage mode ;x. <<< He stated it himself.

Where was this stated? I'm pretty sure Kabuto perfected Sage Mode.

Sage sensing is the hallmark of doing so (Jiriaya didn't have it, but Naruto does.)

 

[Fodder#4]

Yea im talking about king hashirama. Ever since the new hashirama/senju hype he has been on their nuts like crazy.

I've notice this. . . It's a bit. . .Crazy.

 

[N1nken]

While I agree that Tobirama is only bound by his own technique due to Orochimaru utilizing Hashirama's DNA within him, the same thing could most likely be said about Hiruzen and Minato. Hiruzen had extensive knowledge of the Edo Tensei, knowing that the technique wouldn't disperse even if he killed Orochimaru and despite summoning Minato failed due to his sealing within the Shinigami, Hiruzen attempted use some type of jutsu to prevent Minato from being unleashed, hinting at the possibility of him being able to break the control; it's completely possible, seeing as his sensei was the creator of the technique.

Likewise, Minato was taught a variety of fuinjutsu by Kushina, including Shiki Fujin. I'm sure he has something in his arsenal that could have undid the control before being completely bound. If not, going into his completed chakra cloak form probably would have broken the chakra hold on him. Of course, this is just an assumption.

 

[Lightbringer]

What would be the point? He's fighting on his own will atm. There's absolutely no point. If he really wanted to, he simply could... Just as Madara did. Madara did that with only the knowledge of Tobirama's edo tensei. If you're implying Tobirama can't... I just hope you don't think he can't break it... :|

Probably because Orochimaru isn't to be trusted and can suddenly do something drastic with the summoned edos?

and his will is only free as long as Orochimaru deems it so, so after that he won't have the chance to break free

is this even really a question? If you were controlled by a force of evil with the opportunity to break free, wouldn't you do it regardless of a temporary free will?

 

[KingHashirama]

While I agree that Tobirama is only bound by his own technique due to Orochimaru utilizing Hashirama's DNA within him, the same thing could most likely be said about Hiruzen and Minato. Hiruzen had extensive knowledge of the Edo Tensei, knowing that the technique wouldn't disperse even if he killed Orochimaru and despite summoning Minato failed due to his sealing within the Shinigami, Hiruzen attempted use some type of jutsu to prevent Minato from being unleashed, hinting at the possibility of him being able to break the control; it's completely possible, seeing as his sensei was the creator of the technique.

Likewise, Minato was taught a variety of fuinjutsu by Kushina, including Shiki Fujin. I'm sure he has something in his arsenal that could have undid the control before being completely bound. If not, going into his completed chakra cloak form probably would have broken the chakra hold on him. Of course, this is just an assumption.

Still not getting it are you? The thing isn't that, the thing is that when Orochimaru binded all of them, only 2 moved Hashirama and Tobirama, <<<< due to being senju.

Orochimaru then used Hashirama's dna to strengthen the bind.. and then Tobirama got bidden.

The thing isn't about "knowledge" its about sheer chakra prowess. I really don't get why people are arguing saying Tobirama didn't do it. When he outright did it.

But unlike Kabuto, we don't know if Hashirama was transplant-obsessed.
Where was this stated? I'm pretty sure Kabuto perfected Sage Mode.

Sage sensing is the hallmark of doing so (Jiriaya didn't have it, but Naruto does.)

Now we are going into more assumptions. ;x Pretty sure if he had Hashirama's dna.. it would be mentioned.

And i would have to reread the chapters again. to provide the scan. I can pm it to you tomorrow.

Probably because Orochimaru isn't to be trusted and can suddenly do something drastic with the summoned edos?

and his will is only free as long as Orochimaru deems it so, so after that he won't have the chance to break free

is this even really a question? If you were controlled by a force of evil with the opportunity to break free, wouldn't you do it regardless of a temporary free will?

Why didn't Madara break the contract when he was controlled by Kabuto?

Why isn't Hashirama breaking the contract?

Madara broke the contract to stay here and become the Jinchuriki.. Orochimaru is already helping out the Hokage.. and on top of that Hokage really have no reason to break the contract. Since their job is just to stop Madara, and leave.

 

[Lightbringer]

Why didn't Madara break the contract when he was controlled by Kabuto?

Why isn't Hashirama breaking the contract?

Madara broke the contract to stay here and become the Jinchuriki.. Orochimaru is already helping out the Hokage.. and on top of that Hokage really have no reason to break the contract. Since their job is just to stop Madara, and leave.

Probably because Madara doesn't care since he knows he's going to be resurrected again anyhow. Also he had Kabuto at a disadvantage.

Kabuto thought there was no weakness to edo tensei



So what happens if Orochimaru decides to do something as they're battling the juubi? Tobirama wouldn't get the chance to break out then since his movements would probably be restricted.

or after they defeat the juubi?

Nevermind, don't respond because I already know there's no point arguing with you

 

[Neonian]

He in DBZ Tier.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Tobirama ia a very powerfull hokage from chakra point of view(being a senju). he was able to break free of edotensei until being controlled by hashis cells.

my doubt is,i s it referring to pure power and not the mind?

 

[Multiply]

Probably because Madara doesn't care since he knows he's going to be resurrected again anyhow. Also he had Kabuto at a disadvantage.

Kabuto thought there was no weakness to edo tensei



So what happens if Orochimaru decides to do something as they're battling the juubi? Tobirama wouldn't get the chance to break out then since his movements would probably be restricted.

or after they defeat the juubi?

Nevermind, don't respond because I already know there's no point arguing with you

Regardless... they're most powerful fighter can break out at any time. You can't argue topics like, why didn't so and so do this because it's obvious... Kishi didn't make them do it. You can come up with all the crack pipe theories you want... It's as simple as kishi didn't want them to. Tobirama hasn't broken out yet because how would that hold significance to the plot... Even if Orochimaru turns bad again, it would be good for the plot, because he can now use 3/4 of the Kage against the SA.

 

[Lightbringer]

Regardless... they're most powerful fighter can break out at any time. You can't argue topics like, why didn't so and so do this because it's obvious... Kishi didn't make them do it. You can come up with all the crack pipe theories you want... It's as simple as kishi didn't want them to. Tobirama hasn't broken out yet because how would that hold significance to the plot... Even if Orochimaru turns bad again, it would be good for the plot, because he can now use 3/4 of the Kage against the SA.

and because Kishi didn't want it yet means it hasn't happened yet, and until it does, Tobirama can't break out.

What happens if Orochimaru decides to override Tobirama's personality? I'll tell you, he won't break out.

Tobirama's created edo tensei and knows if this happens then he will bend to Orochimaru's whim....so it would be all the more reason to break from his control since he already witnessed him destroying Konoha.

 

[BloodSeed]

Still not getting it are you? The thing isn't that, the thing is that when Orochimaru binded all of them, only 2 moved Hashirama and Tobirama, <<<< due to being senju.

Orochimaru then used Hashirama's dna to strengthen the bind.. and then Tobirama got bidden.

The thing isn't about "knowledge" its about sheer chakra prowess. I really don't get why people are arguing saying Tobirama didn't do it. When he outright did it.




Now we are going into more assumptions. ;x Pretty sure if he had Hashirama's dna.. it would be mentioned.

And i would have to reread the chapters again. to provide the scan. I can pm it to you tomorrow.



Why didn't Madara break the contract when he was controlled by Kabuto?

Why isn't Hashirama breaking the contract?

Madara broke the contract to stay here and become the Jinchuriki.. Orochimaru is already helping out the Hokage.. and on top of that Hokage really have no reason to break the contract. Since their job is just to stop Madara, and leave.

what dafuq at bolded part, thats fanboyism. due to being senju doesnt mean they are good at everything.
minato is faster than tobirama? did the senju genes make him faster? NO

tobirama was killed by fodder ninjas. yeah he was killed by a non senju and fodder shinobi that they are not strong enough for kabuto to waste his time resurrecting them. did his senju genes saved him?? NO

 

[Multiply]

and because Kishi didn't want it yet means it hasn't happened yet, and until it does, Tobirama can't break out.

What happens if Orochimaru decides to override Tobirama's personality? I'll tell you, he won't break out.

Tobirama's created edo tensei and knows if this happens then he will bend to Orochimaru's whim....so it would be all the more reason to break from his control since he already witnessed him destroying Konoha.

@bold I don't debate with idiots tbh... :|

 

[Masked Man Obito]

Of course his powerful he's a Senju and by the means of that, his power is equally strong like Hashirama. His chakra levels are so strong he was able to resist control of Edo Tensei. Though we never get to see up and close of how far his mastery over Water Release techniques really was (since we only see him with three Water Style jutsus), maybe we would get to see them though very soon if they focus their strength much on Madara instead. He is like a GOD in his name.

 

[grizzlyshree]

what dafuq at bolded part, thats fanboyism. due to being senju doesnt mean they are good at everything.
minato is faster than tobirama? did the senju genes make him faster? NO

tobirama was killed by fodder ninjas. yeah he was killed by a non senju and fodder shinobi that they are not strong enough for kabuto to waste his time resurrecting them. did his senju genes saved him?? NO

Kabuto while resurrecting the 4 kages(gaaras father,3rd raikage etc) regretted that he was not able to revive a hokage. why? the 4 hokages are the strongest in their respective era which mean Tobi was powerfull(obviously in absence of Madara and Hashirama) too!. we j ust dont know much about the 20 shinobis so we cant comment on it.

 

[Lightning Release]

Minato solos.

 

[Touken]

To be honest, I believe Tobirama broke out of Edo Tensei until Orochimaru used Hashirama's cells to strengthen the binding. He seemed really confident he could do that and I believe he could due to his Senju lineage which gives him an extraordinary life force and chakra. It's due to the sheer chakra prowess Hashirama & Tobirama can break out of Edo Tensei.

It's an indication to show Tobirama is powerful but hopefully we see feats later on to back that up.

 

[Lightbringer]

@bold I don't debate with idiots tbh... :|

lol ok, that's why an idiot would bold part of a statement and not the whole thing, and also assume something that hasn't happened to be factual.

Can you show when Tobirama broke out? No you can't, so how's that make me an idiot? Well it doesn't.

It only makes you deluded into thinking your the "savior of logic"

 

[Pravin5]

Why u morons comparing the hokages...
they all are strong, we haven't seen all of them at full powers so stop complaining like whining B!tches juts enjoy the manga.

The Hokage team is by far the strongest team in Naruto yet.
& they all are badass deal with it

 

[KingHashirama]

Probably because Madara doesn't care since he knows he's going to be resurrected again anyhow. Also he had Kabuto at a disadvantage.
Kabuto thought there was no weakness to edo tensei
So what happens if Orochimaru decides to do something as they're battling the juubi? Tobirama wouldn't get the chance to break out then since his movements would probably be restricted.
or after they defeat the juubi?
Nevermind, don't respond because I already know there's no point arguing with you

Incorrect, Obito wasn't even planning on reviving Madara. So fail counter there

He never had Kabuto at a disadvantage ;]

Only way Orochimaru can bind Tobirama is Hashirama's dna...... .. that is the point of the thread.. wtfh are you trying to say?

what dafuq at bolded part, thats fanboyism. due to being senju doesnt mean they are good at everything.
minato is faster than tobirama? did the senju genes make him faster? NO

tobirama was killed by fodder ninjas. yeah he was killed by a non senju and fodder shinobi that they are not strong enough for kabuto to waste his time resurrecting them. did his senju genes saved him?? NO

Tsunade has high chakra due to being Senju.

And did I say the Senju genes made him faster? no. No clue why you and Minato fanboys are getting butthurt about saying Tobirama has more powerful chakra.

go learn what a fodder shinobi is, dumbass, then argue with me.

So what your telling me is Izuna was a fodder? Sasuke Sarutobi was a fodder? Kakashi's dad was a fodder? iight.

 

[Multiply]

lol ok, that's why an idiot would bold part of a statement and not the whole thing, and also assume something that hasn't happened to be factual.

Can you show when Tobirama broke out? No you can't, so how's that make me an idiot? Well it doesn't.

It only makes you deluded into thinking your the "savior of logic"

Lol, you said Tobirama can't break out of his own jutsu, when Madara, who has minimal knowledge of it broke out... :|

It's not the fact he can't break out of Edo Tensei, because he can easily. He's not because Kishi hasn't drawn him breaking out. Simple as that. You saying he can't in anyway shape or form, unless his personality is gone, is absolutely ridiculous. I am indeed the Savior of Logic, bestowing my knowledge unto the members on NB. If you can't see that Tobirama can break out of Edo Tensei, Kishi just hasn't written it, then you are not worthy of the knowledge.