Tobirama is on a another level...

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Ahem. Tobirama broke out of an Edo tensei without much restrictions being placed nor Orochimaru going the extra mile and ridding them of their personality.

We can assume that these Kage level shinobi might have the free will enough to oppose it to an extent, like Zabuza or Hanzo. But if they were placed with a different set of seals or kabuto's variation, they wouldn't of been able to break free.

That, and Orochimaru's whole scheme for them this time around was TO revive them at NEAR FULL power. And, obviously they would be hard to control. And we know from the war that the user manipulating the Edo tensei is NOT as good with said shinobi as the shinobi themselves are.

I say this because Orochimaru's plan here was to use Zetsu bodies to control them. Allowing them to be at a much stronger point then they originally would be, under Orochimaru's Edo Tensei. And still be capable of being binded. Obviously Hashirama can't be controlled by. . Well, his own self (cells). So he broke out.

Orochimaru could have went with a stronger seal/wiped their personalities. But that didn't serve him too well as Sasuke had questions and depending on Sasuke's reaction, they might come into use.

What Tobirama RESISTED was a weakened Edo Tensei design; on the User's behalf. Better for the shinobi being revived, not for the user if they are not compliant. If they were under Kabuto's Edo tensei, their personalities would have been drained or movements restricted to only reacting to enemy attacks. He wouldn't of broken out of it.

So, for what you're saying. . Technically is true. If it was let's say, Karin as a sacrifice for Tobirama, Tobirama might have been capable of resisting to a new degree. But, Orochimaru also wasn't using a particularly strong binding seal. As pointed out by Tobirama. If he were to, it would have been a similar result to Part 1 Edo Tensei.
 

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Ahem. Tobirama broke out of an Edo tensei without much restrictions being placed nor Orochimaru going the extra mile and ridding them of their personality.

We can assume that these Kage level shinobi might have the free will enough to oppose it to an extent, like Zabuza or Hanzo. But if they were placed with a different set of seals or kabuto's variation, they wouldn't of been able to break free.

That, and Orochimaru's whole scheme for them this time around was TO revive them at NEAR FULL power. And, obviously they would be hard to control. And we know from the war that the user manipulating the Edo tensei is NOT as good with said shinobi as the shinobi themselves are.

I say this because Orochimaru's plan here was to use Zetsu bodies to control them. Allowing them to be at a much stronger point then they originally would be, under Orochimaru's Edo Tensei. And still be capable of being binded. Obviously Hashirama can't be controlled by. . Well, his own self (cells). So he broke out.

Orochimaru could have went with a stronger seal/wiped their personalities. But that didn't serve him too well as Sasuke had questions and depending on Sasuke's reaction, they might come into use.

What Tobirama RESISTED was a weakened Edo Tensei design; on the User's behalf. Better for the shinobi being revived, not for the user if they are not compliant. If they were under Kabuto's Edo tensei, their personalities would have been drained or movements restricted to only reacting to enemy attacks. He wouldn't of broken out of it.

So, for what you're saying. . Technically is true. If it was let's say, Karin as a sacrifice for Tobirama, Tobirama might have been capable of resisting to a new degree. But, Orochimaru also wasn't using a particularly strong binding seal. As pointed out by Tobirama. If he were to, it would have been a similar result to Part 1 Edo Tensei.

so hiruzen was bound by a weak control? lol
 

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****ing **** riding

wack ass IF THREAD

you do know all he had to do was give the talisman and cut their free will....

damn this poorly thought bs
 

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so hiruzen was bound by a weak control? lol

...What? I'm sorry, I don't exactly get what you're getting at.

And; maybe Hiruzen being binded in recent chapters has slipped my mind? But, it was weak and is compared to both Kabuto's and Orochimaru's previous versions. That much is obvious. He could strengthen it if he wanted to and bind them.

Tobirama was resisting and "breaking free" from a weak seal/controlled Edo Tensei. Think he could do the same under Kabuto? I doubt it. Only Itachi has broken free from Edo Tensei, and that was due to the most powerful genjutsu seen. Madara simply released the contract and set himself free when it was ending and when Kabuto could do nothing about it.
 

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Orochimaru owns them all, why is this discussed?!
 

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We see "shiver" "shiver" here as well on Tobirama alone

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Those shivers were put on Hiruzen, not Minato. Kishi for some reason decided to draw Minato off-panel on that panel(only Hiruzen was complaining)

This is the script translation that we can see on narutoforums



Like you can see the reaction there was coming from Hiruzen. We've seen .

We don't know if Minato was binded or not, and like i've explained , i'm not even sure if Orochimaru can really control Minato because Minato later showed KCM, that has already shown the capacity . Minato was in normal mode when Orochimaru used the binding technique(not in KCM), and Minato didn't even bother use it, and as stated above made no reaction at all, . So i think it's probable that Minato was just waiting for the outcome before making his move(not saying it's true, but it's probable)

You're just trying to fap on Senjus as always U_U

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...What? I'm sorry, I don't exactly get what you're getting at.

And; maybe Hiruzen being binded in recent chapters has slipped my mind? But, it was weak and is compared to both Kabuto's and Orochimaru's previous versions. That much is obvious. He could strengthen it if he wanted to and bind them.

Tobirama was resisting and "breaking free" from a weak seal/controlled Edo Tensei. Think he could do the same under Kabuto? I doubt it. Only Itachi has broken free from Edo Tensei, and that was due to the most powerful genjutsu seen. Madara simply released the contract and set himself free when it was ending and when Kabuto could do nothing about it.

In correct. << Hashirama cannot be controlled, even when Orochimaru was using the power from the Senju dna =].

Itachi wasn't free from edo tensei lol. uh yes he could do the same under Kabuto..does Kabuto have Hashirama's dna? no.
 

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In correct. << Hashirama cannot be controlled, even when Orochimaru was using the power from the Senju dna =].

Itachi wasn't free from edo tensei lol. uh yes he could do the same under Kabuto..does Kabuto have Hashirama's dna? no.

Itachi did "break free" from Kabuto's control, obviously. And, do you think he would need it? He would simply purge the personality like he had to do with other strong willed Edo's, Hanzo, Zabuza. Or set him on auto-pilot and see what happens; Like he did with the Kage for the most part.

And. . Hashirama can't be controlled? Part 1, dear sir. Do you recall it?
 

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Itachi did "break free" from Kabuto's control, obviously. And, do you think he would need it? He would simply purge the personality like he had to do with other strong willed Edo's, Hanzo, Zabuza. Or set him on auto-pilot and see what happens; Like he did with the Kage for the most part.

And. . Hashirama can't be controlled? Part 1, dear sir. Do you recall it?

Due to shisui's eyes..... o_O. While Hashirama did it through.. well sheer chakra.

Did you really just bring a in a fodder version of Hashirama , and compared it to a almost full version of Hashirama? dude wth is your main point anyway?

Every edo so far that has been summoned has always had a point where they can think, and then the user of Edo tensei controls them. o_O. That is all Hashirama needs.. as I said .. you can't control Hashirama Senju. And you can only control Tobirama by using Hashirama's dna to power up the binding.
 

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Itachi did "break free" from Kabuto's control, obviously. And, do you think he would need it? He would simply purge the personality like he had to do with other strong willed Edo's, Hanzo, Zabuza. Or set him on auto-pilot and see what happens; Like he did with the Kage for the most part.

And. . Hashirama can't be controlled? Part 1, dear sir. Do you recall it?

He doesnt get anything your saying. Like he is clueless.

To make it simple for even him ill explain:

Oru chose to let them be at almost full strength. Oru could put the talisman to bind them like in part 1 and make them obey 1000000% like before (fact).

So in short, hashirama or any of teh hokages "breaking free" or having the option to break free is allowed by oru. And add to the fact Oru Could literally unsummon them.
 

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Then why doesn't he?

What would be the point? He's fighting on his own will atm. There's absolutely no point. If he really wanted to, he simply could... Just as Madara did. Madara did that with only the knowledge of Tobirama's edo tensei. If you're implying Tobirama can't... I just hope you don't think he can't break it... :|
 

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He doesnt get anything your saying. Like he is clueless.

To make it simple for even him ill explain:

Oru chose to let them be at almost full strength. Oru could put the talisman to bind them like in part 1 and make them obey 1000000% like before (fact).

So in short, hashirama or any of teh hokages "breaking free" or having the option to break free is allowed by oru. And add to the fact Oru Could literally unsummon them.

I'm. . Hoping you're refering to the King here. . . If you are, yeah. . After the post above you. I agree.
 

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Was it stated Kabuto didn't have Hashirama's DNA?

Just seems sort of weird for him to steal everybody's DNA and not Hashirama's... eh?
 

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-sigh- this is pathetic. People come on threads, and don't even talk about the OP.

Was it stated Kabuto didn't have Hashirama's DNA?

Just seems sort of weird for him to steal everybody's DNA and not Hashirama's... eh?

its not stated Hashirama doesn't have the rinnegan. Or Orochimaru doesn't have it. o-o.
 

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its not stated Hashirama doesn't have the rinnegan. Or Orochimaru doesn't have it. o-o.

Yeah, but unlike your examples, we know Kabuto had access to Hashirama's DNA.

And he also gained the superhuman stamina to become a perfect Sage.

So it seems probable.
 

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Yeah, but unlike your examples, we know Kabuto had access to Hashirama's DNA.

And he also gained the superhuman stamina to become a perfect Sage.

So it seems probable.
And we know Hashirama had excess to Sharingans :D. And hes a imperfect sage. He didn't perfect the snake sage mode ;x. <<< He stated it himself.
 

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I'm. . Hoping you're refering to the King here. . . If you are, yeah. . After the post above you. I agree.

Yea im talking about king hashirama. Ever since the new hashirama/senju hype he has been on their nuts like crazy.
 
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