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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

  • Total voters
    700
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Re: Tobi Identity theory.

But Madara himself said Izuna died.
That "Madara" wasn't the real Madara, he was borrowing that name because it was convenient.

I don't know if you noticed it, but the only person who actually mentioned Izuna, is Tobi. Everything we know about him was told by Tobi. Without him we wouldn't even know that Izuna existed.

Because of this him saying that Izuna died is very untrustworthy and if you would assume Tobi is Izuna, he could use it to avoid any suspicion as someone who stated to be Madara said Izuna died, so then he could't possibly be Izuna.

Him using Madara's name wasn't a crucial factor, however it was definitely something not to be underestimated as it served him well.
 
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Re: Tobi Identity theory.

That "Madara" wasn't the real Madara, he was borrowing that name because it was convenient.

I don't know if you noticed it, but the only person who actually mentioned Izuna, is Tobi. Everything we know about him was told by Tobi. Without him we wouldn't even know that Izuna existed.

Because of this him saying that Izuna died is very untrustworthy and if you would assume Tobi is Izuna, he could use it to avoid any suspicion as someone who stated to be Madara said Izuna died, so then he could't possibly be Izuna.

Him using Madara's name wasn't a crucial factor, however it was definitely something not to be underestimated as it served him well.
you are wrong the current madara states his brother died...



get your facts straight plz
 

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Re: Tobi Identity theory.

you are wrong the current madara states his brother died...



get your facts straight plz
his not dead dumbass he is tobi .. tobi = izuna .. he said its dead but he also said something like " If i would have taught you to resurrect hashirama "
meanig he knows how to resurrect people .. if you had a brother wouldn you resurrect him ? :) izuna is not dead ..
 
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Re: Tobi Identity theory.

his not dead dumbass he is tobi .. tobi = izuna .. he said its dead but he also said something like " If i would have taught you to resurrect hashirama "
meanig he knows how to resurrect people .. if you had a brother wouldn you resurrect him ? :) izuna is not dead ..
learn to read, caliburn said madara never said his brother died. I simply showed him he did say. I never said he is dead. so idk why u r so angry calm down

fyi - since you seem to care so much i think tobi has a 70% chance of being izuna because he clenched when he was talking about izuna background.
 
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Re: Tobi Identity theory.

learn to read, caliburn said madara never said his brother died. I simply showed him he did say. I never said he is dead. so idk why u r so angry calm down

fyi - since you seem to care so much i think tobi has a 70% chance of being izuna because he clenched when he was talking about izuna background.
soory men i am just pissed off when i see the obito theoryes ... so many dumb people .. U_U ... and you need a guy with motivation, power , who has the same plan as edo madara ... who uses madara name ... and he cares for the uchiha clan and for the history that blame madara .... the only dude that i know its izuna ..... all who dont agree with me are not so smart or they just whant to belive something that they like to be true
 
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soory men i am just pissed off when i see the obito theoryes ... so many dumb people .. U_U ... and you need a guy with motiv , power , who has same plan as edo madara ... who uses madara name ... and he cares for the uchiha clan and for the history that blame madara .... the only dude that i know its izuna ..... all who dont agree with me are not so smart or they just whant to belive something that they like to be true
i agree with you. he was clenching when talking about izuna so he is def connected to him (if he is not him). Plus he knows way too much and his story about izuna matched with the real madara.
 

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Tobi's Real Identity (No really its different)

OK so people have been coming up with theories on Tobi's identity, some obviously making a better explanation of their theory than others but they usually tend to lean with characters like Obito Shisui Izuna and recently Kagami. So I wanted to come up with a theory which is credible and has evidences that are very convincing for the reader, while not being a copy and paste of Moby D^^K :p heh here's my attempt at who I think Tobi is :)

My Unique Theory on Tobi
Okay so I've recently been giving serious attention to who I think Tobi is and I've been able to come up with his Identity. He is not The Sage of the six paths son nor is he Obito or Izuna in my perspective. I believe that he is an Uchiha with very similar core values to Madara Uchiha.

Now for the Background Info.

Firstly we know that the Uchiha were planning a coup because of the injustices that were bought to them because of the Senju. Now during the beginning of this feeling of taking an action against the Leaf Village (This feeling started during the Second Hokage's reign) there was a man who was trying and gaining support for the kindling of a rebellion. This Man was Setsuna Uchiha. ( Refer to Ch. 399 pg 14 for his image or look at NarutoPedia. I believe he is Tobi.

Now many things are instrumental to actually proving he is Tobi, firstly Setsuna lived during Nidaime's reign meaning that he would be aged closer to Danzo's year's. Now this explains the wrinkles on his face when he partially takes his mask off for sasuke, but there's more than just that. Tobi has a hairstyle equivelent to Setsuna Uchiha (maybe Setsuna's is a tad longer but who said he couldn't cut it.)

Studying the information Tobi gave us in ch.399 you could say that Setsuna had ideals that show that he was pissed off at the Senju like the real Madara who isn't dead yet at this point because Nagato isn't probably born yet at this stage.)

How about if the real Madara told Setsuna about his ambition to "become complete" via the moon eye plan, and Setsuna saw it as a better alternative than just a coup. But the thing is that Madara uses Setsuna as his substitute giving him access to Shodai's DNA which he had stolen during the battle at the Valley of the End which gives him the regeneration thing.

Now a very interesting tidbit is that "Setsuna" means Instant or Moment. Now I would say that Tobi (Setsuna) was gifted with the teleportation technique naturally only because we haven't seen Madara Uchiha performing it... Although it may have been a run down version of the technique like FTG Tech and Zetsu became the 'portal' or seal which is needed to re-enter the world as Zetsu said he was the land itself and I am paraphrasing.~Ch. 526 pg 6

To add to this the real Madara would go about and make all the necessary preparations for the fake to take over. He would meet with Kisame, give nagato his rinnegan meet with itachi once then let setsuna pose as the real Madara who dies but not without having his *substitute*. This explains how the masked man had long hair then short hair afterwards when he goes to fight minato.

Furthermore when Tobi fought Konan something that intrigued me was the fact that his other eye had a sharingan... Didn't he say that he used Izanagi against the first therefore permanently killing his sight in one eye. That first contradiction led me to believe that Tobi wasn't Madara (BTW doesn't that rule out Obito and Izuna since they were fully or partially blind?) ~Ch. 510 pg 8

Anyways this is my opinion on the matter and it provides for a convincing argument in my opinion (Anyhow I just wanted to break away from the traditional "Shisui Izuna Obito" Ideas)

Now tell me what you guys think about it and whether or not you like it or not, or if you see any inconsistencies with my theory or even could debunk it try to attempt it but if you support it lemme know and leave a comment :)
 
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Re: Tobi's Real Identity (No really its different)

little info. please dont take it if i am being mean. i am just reviewing therioes.

its not izuna :/ his body was clearly shown dead and madara said he is dead. so thats out hmm what else..

obito is too good to be evil. so people are telling me. obito was able to fool a man like itachi into believing he is madara? no chance at all. why would obito attack konoha 16 or so years ago? obito died PROTECTING the leaf village. obito said people turning on their friends are worst then scums. and as i said, how could obito fool a man like itachi, kisame the whole ninja world into believing he is madara makes no sense and is bad writting. next

shisui. how could shisui be tobi. if he was clearly found dead, not only that but itachi said shisui was like naruto, all peaceful and humble. why would shisui give itachi his eye to protect the uchiha clan and then later on decide to kill the uchihas??? makes no sense.
 

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Re: Tobi's Real Identity (No really its different)

too much words and what lol99 said its not gonna be a random uchiha. and if it is kishi should lay off the troll medicine xd
 

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Re: Tobi's Real Identity (No really its different)

little info. please dont take it if i am being mean. i am just reviewing therioes.

its not izuna :/ his body was clearly shown dead and madara said he is dead. so thats out hmm what else..

obito is too good to be evil. so people are telling me. obito was able to fool a man like itachi into believing he is madara? no chance at all. why would obito attack konoha 16 or so years ago? obito died PROTECTING the leaf village. obito said people turning on their friends are worst then scums. and as i said, how could obito fool a man like itachi, kisame the whole ninja world into believing he is madara makes no sense and is bad writting. next

shisui. how could shisui be tobi. if he was clearly found dead, not only that but itachi said shisui was like naruto, all peaceful and humble. why would shisui give itachi his eye to protect the uchiha clan and then later on decide to kill the uchihas??? makes no sense.
Didn't I say that :/ Plus at one point in time each of them were 100% blind by losing both eyes for various reasons
 

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Re: Tobi's Real Identity (No really its different)

Yeh i've heard this theory before. But Setsuna wanted the Uchiha clan to regin supreme, so why would he want to kill them off? Also, Tobi was talking in Madara's perspective when he said he fought Hashirmama , and it hasn't been stated that Madara used Izanagi against him. Anyway, Tobi has a whole room full of Sharingans he can simply replace.
 

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Re: Tobi's Real Identity (No really its different)

Huh really good explanation :D
I liked how you brought his appearance, personality and the meaning of his name, it helped.
Though, I'm giving up on trying to figure out who Tobi really is, it gives me headaches.
 

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Re: Tobi's Real Identity (No really its different)

Yeh i've heard this theory before. But Setsuna wanted the Uchiha clan to regin supreme, so why would he want to kill them off? Also, Tobi was talking in Madara's perspective when he said he fought Hashirmama , and it hasn't been stated that Madara used Izanagi against him. Anyway, Tobi has a whole room full of Sharingans he can simply replace.
Shoulda stated this but it could have something to do with revivng them with Nagato's technique for domination? Does that seem plausible. Could explain why Tobi thought Nagato's death threw a wrench in his plan?
 
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