[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

  • Total voters
    700
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Madara died during his fight with Hashirama he didn' possess the rinnegan then, how could he have used Rinne Tensei to revive Izuna if he died(while Izuna was still dead), and then was revived 100s of years later then activated it for the 1st time?

Actually its out of the realm of possibility, The Sage Of The Six Paths wasn't even immortal he died of old age, Kakazu stayed alive because he unnaturally had multiple hearts, which he stole. Hidan used jutsu to reverse attacks back onto the attacker,and wasn't taking damage which gave everyone the impression that he was immortal, he would've died of old age sooner of later. I believe I've named all the "immortals" of NARUTO and proved they were indeed not immortals. What else you got?
Dude i'm not sure if you missed it or ignored it, but Madara himself confirmed he had awakened the rinnegan before his dead.

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We don't know howlong after his awakening he died, so at this point anything is possible..
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Madara died during his fight with Hashirama he didn' possess the rinnegan then, how could he have used Rinne Tensei to revive Izuna if he died(while Izuna was still dead), and then was revived 100s of years later then activated it for the 1st time?

Actually its out of the realm of possibility, The Sage Of The Six Paths wasn't even immortal he died of old age, Kakazu stayed alive because he unnaturally had multiple hearts, which he stole. Hidan used jutsu to reverse attacks back onto the attacker,and wasn't taking damage which gave everyone the impression that he was immortal, he would've died of old age sooner of later. I believe I've named all the "immortals" of NARUTO and proved they were indeed not immortals. What else you got?
Anything can happen when it comes to being Tobi :scorps:

Do not forget that zetsu is practically his bestfriend that might have some special abilities, I do not think zetsu is dead yet.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Dude i'm not sure if you missed it or ignored it, but Madara himself confirmed he had awakened the rinnegan before his dead.

You must be registered for see images



We don't know howlong after his awakening he died, so at this point anything is possible..
Thanx for this post I honestly didn't remember seeing this when I read that chapter but I do remember that image in the top left corner. Point taken. Also can't wait to see Madara's Susano'o on the anime
 

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Re: Another theory of tobi

Orochimaru's Test Subject:
I don't think Nawaki died like it was stated. I think Orochimaru faked Nawaki's death to experiment on him.

It also has been shown that Orochimaru will use corpses to throw people off his trail.

Why did he do this? Well it was hinted that Orochimaru was Nawaki's master. He probably saw signs that Nawaki inherited the 1st Hokage's abilities & it has been shown that Orochimaru was obsessed with collecting powerful abilities.

Now he used Nawaki's body (Senju cells) to create an early version of White Zetsu. After these experiments were done Nawaki was changed forever, he eventually became Tobi. He began to hate his grandfather more & more everyday. Although he never stopped admiring him. This would explain his feelings toward the first.




Eventually Orochimaru twisted his mind & made him into the person that he is now. He became a tool for Orochimaru to use. His "Childish Tobi" personality is a split personality caused by him being taken at a young age.
Madara had a partner


I believe the "he" that Madara was talking about was Orochimaru. Who else could he think revived him as an Edo. Orochimaru being his accomplice would also explain how Kabuto got Madara's DNA. The person Kabuto said he was supporting was probably Orochimaru as well.

Tobi in the Akatsuki:
I believe Madara & Orochimaru were the founders of the a group that would eventually merge with Akatsuki. Tobi took Madara's spot after he died. When Orochimaru left the Akatsuki he left Tobi in charge behind the scenes, while constantly keeping tabs on him. Orochimaru planned to take Sauske's body & use it for Madara's original plan. Tobi took on the role of Madara permanently only after Orochimaru died. Tobi changed their plans after he took over.

More experiments on Nawaki resulting in the "The Rinnegan Scroll":
When Madara used his EMS Eyes on the Tablet Naka Shrine, it explained that "The body of the Sage" could be used to unlock true power.


Madara needed someone with Orochimaru's skills to gain power & had heard whispers of the Legendary Sannin's experiments with the 1st's cells. The result of the experiments done on Nawaki had two effects. The first result of these being the creation of the Rinnegan Scroll & The second is the removal of Nawaki's birthright. By this point Nawaki's body has been changed past the point of no return, everything that made him Senju was taken from him. This event is what made him "incomplete" & "A shell of his former self". The scroll that Orochimaru created is also the scroll that Suigetsu & Juugo found.




Tobi's new "Moon's Eye Plan"
Tobi grew up during the second ninja war. He saw the horrors of war for himself at a young age. He himself has stated what that does to a child



What if "the child who grew up in war" that Tobi was talking about was actually himself. During the war that's when he started thinking about his perfect world, A world without war. This thought would grow in his mind & eventually become the "Moon's eye plan".


His Age Fits The Timeline:
Orochimaru had Senju DNA at least 10 years before Naruto was born. This is based off the fact that Yamato was said to be implanted with the cells shortly after his birth. Yamato is 10-11 years older than Naruto.

Nagato died when he was about 36 years old. So when Yamato was born Nagato would have been 8 years old. Which was about the time his parents died & was first seen with the Rinnegan. This would place Orochimaru's experiments during the second ninja war. That's the war that Nawaki "died" in.

Nawaki would be around 40 years old now & 23 years old during the Nine-Tail's attack. His age is one of the few who fits Tobi's projected age.
Why Kabuto Didn't know about Orochimaru's previous experiments:


The simple explanation is that Orochimaru was teaching Kabuto. What would be a better test for him? He wanted to see if Kabuto would come up with the same results. If Kabuto were to come up with different results. Then he would have discovered another way to unlock the Rinnegan. Win/ win for Orochimaru.

I Found some evidence supporting my theory...
From a Kishimoto interview in 2008:
"Three new members will join the Akatsuki. They will be stronger than Deidara, Hidan, and Kakuzu. One of them is the brother/sister of the Hokage..." ~ From a Kishimoto interview in 2008. :)
You could at least link to where it was originally posted.:p

Originally posted here - forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=125715

I have an updated version of the theory with non mangareader images.

Ok. Sounds convincing but where did "Nawaki" get the Sharingan from if he is Tobi? If Orochimaru experimented on him and put it there, why did'nt he just use it on himself?
The same could be asked about Orochimaru's experiments on Danzo. Orochimaru probably concluded that he needed a Uchiha body to make full use of the Sharingan, which is why he wanted Sasuke so bad. Sharingan in a non Uchiha seems to drain a lot of chakra, that's why Danzo & Tobi were failed (wrong word... maybe incomplete is better) experiments.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Well its either one of these two things.
1.Tobi is either izuna,
2.Or before he died he divided himselve into two.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

I can't wait for Tobi to be revealed so these threads can cease to exist, I'm making bets on the Tobi identity now, WHO WANTS IN!? The minimum bet is ¤10 to a maximum bet of ¤50. ¤ = kumi. I don't want to know why you're betting on whoever you pick, don't tell me your theory just bet

And Yes I'm joking
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Madara died during his fight with Hashirama he didn' possess the rinnegan then, how could he have used Rinne Tensei to revive Izuna if he died(while Izuna was still dead), and then was revived 100s of years later then activated it for the 1st time?

Actually its out of the realm of possibility, The Sage Of The Six Paths wasn't even immortal he died of old age, Kakazu stayed alive because he unnaturally had multiple hearts, which he stole. Hidan used jutsu to reverse attacks back onto the attacker,and wasn't taking damage which gave everyone the impression that he was immortal, he would've died of old age sooner of later. I believe I've named all the "immortals" of NARUTO and proved they were indeed not immortals. What else you got?
Madara had Rinnegan before he died. Edo Tensei revives the person into the state they were before they died - evidence: Nagato, Kakuzu, others...

So Madara had and could have used the Rinnegan.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Madara had Rinnegan before he died. Edo Tensei revives the person into the state they were before they died - evidence: Nagato, Kakuzu, others...

So Madara had and could have used the Rinnegan.
Please read the latesg posts I retracted my statement, because TheLegendarySage posted the manga page I needed to see, your post is a lil late lol

THIS GOES TO SHOW THAT YOU GUYS DON'T READ BEFORE RESPONDING
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

If only others could see that :rolleyes:
I still dont get the obito theories.

how do they explain his superb growth to be able to fight the 4th in few years. (the age difference as well)

Or the fact that tobi has not even proved to be an uchiha yet. He does not disactivate his sharingan nor rinnengan. If he was an uchiha why is he stealing nagato eyes, he can just make his sharingan into a rinnengan, he has all the components necessary to do so... oh wait may be he is not an uchiha :p
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

I still dont get the obito theories.

how do they explain his superb growth to be able to fight the 4th in few years. (the age difference as well)

Or the fact that tobi has not even proved to be an uchiha yet. He does not disactivate his sharingan nor rinnengan. If he was an uchiha why is he stealing nagato eyes, he can just make his sharingan into a rinnengan, he has all the components necessary to do so... oh wait may be he is not an uchiha :p
Obito is the Orange Swirl Mask Tobi and so on, Danzou was the one who fought Minato, the Yellow Tigerstripe Mask Tobi....

Also was it ever stated how Madara activated his rinnegan?! NO! So how does one have the components necessary to do so?....I'll wait....
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

tobi = izuna uchiha ... so many facts .. if you don see this you are either blind or dumb
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Obito is the Orange Swirl Mask Tobi and so on, Danzou was the one who fought Minato, the Yellow Tigerstripe Mask Tobi....

Also was it ever stated how Madara activated his rinnegan?! NO! So how does one have the components necessary to do so?....I'll wait....
Ugh?! What are you basing the idea that danzou was the one that fought minato?! So all of a sudden danzou knows S/T jutsus and forgot vs sasuke?! What happened to the zetsu cells in danzou?! I have no idea what you are talking about danzou was the one that fought minato lol???? So who is the tobi with long hair (your theory is confusing, help me out) ?!
 

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Ugh?! What are you basing the idea that danzou was the one that fought minato?! So all of a sudden danzou knows S/T jutsus and forgot vs sasuke?! What happened to the zetsu cells in danzou?! I have no idea what you are talking about danzou was the one that fought minato lol???? So who is the tobi with long hair (your theory is confusing, help me out) ?!
Danzou used body flicker not S/T while fighting Minato, a technique used by Shisui, whose eye he took. Danzou also retrieved Shisui's arm and Orochimaru implanted it onto him before the fight with Minato, making using Body Flicker incredible fast to the point of Minato's S/T. Why should Danzou use body flicker when he fought Sasuke if he knew Izunagi, which permanently shut the sharingan but he had 11. Izunagi > Body Flicker. Danzou's hair had become noticably longer when he confronted Nounou and it was in a ponytail. Who knows how much time had passed before he went to Kirigakure to control the Mizukage. And this is an anime, the laws of physics pertaining to hair don't apply; Sasuke's hair grow from neck length to back length in a matter of seconds in his cursed mark form. Orochimaru did belong to Danzou's ANBU Root, and Orochimaru did perform experiments on Danzou as wel
 
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