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Re: Tobi's right sharingan has same ability as kakashi's left?
You're wrong about the orphans being younger than Kakashi and here's why: The orphans were Jiraiya's first pupils. Then sometime later Minato as a child. Minato was the sensei of Kakashi and Obito making the orphans many years older.
Sabuto Hayashi
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Wholeheartedly agree with OP!
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Wholeheartedly agree with OP!
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Black Adam
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Re: Please read before creating another theory about Tobi and Obito.
*sigh* At the risk of sounding cynical this thread won't change a thing people's arguments about Obito being Tobi have been torn to shreds yet it hasn't stopped the asinine theories
Kirin my dear I would love nothing more in this world to give you plus rep for this thread but to do so would be like wearing a condom after I got a girl preggers....
*sigh* At the risk of sounding cynical this thread won't change a thing people's arguments about Obito being Tobi have been torn to shreds yet it hasn't stopped the asinine theories
Kirin my dear I would love nothing more in this world to give you plus rep for this thread but to do so would be like wearing a condom after I got a girl preggers....
Re: Please read before creating another theory about Tobi and Obito.
More proof: danzo used kotoa on mifune (a dude who is on kage level) with his eye covered up in bandages, only kotoa can do that. All other sharingan genjutsu needs eye contact even tsukoyami.
You forget that they explained danzo could use kotoa again extremely quickly because he had hashi DNA. His kotoa didn't recharge till the middle of his sasuke fight. I don't see kakasji unable to use his sharingan for a long period of time after using his sharingan genjutsu, danzo used kotoa plain and simple.
More proof: danzo used kotoa on mifune (a dude who is on kage level) with his eye covered up in bandages, only kotoa can do that. All other sharingan genjutsu needs eye contact even tsukoyami.
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Totsuka No Tsurugi
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Re: Please read before creating another theory about Tobi and Obito.
well u should post this in the giant tobi thread
well u should post this in the giant tobi thread
Re: Tobi's right sharingan has same ability as kakashi's left?
The Timeline wouldn´t work then, how can Jiraiya meet the Orpahns in the 3rd Ninja War and train Minato as a Child when Minato was fighting in the 3rd Ninja War.
And i never read something that they were his first pupils or is there something i missed?
The Timeline wouldn´t work then, how can Jiraiya meet the Orpahns in the 3rd Ninja War and train Minato as a Child when Minato was fighting in the 3rd Ninja War.
And i never read something that they were his first pupils or is there something i missed?
EternalMangekyouRinnegan
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Re: Please read before creating another theory about Tobi and Obito.
You could write more on timeline claim.
Madara is aware of Tobi. Majority believes that Madara died around the time when Nagato used rinnegan for the first time. That happened about 35 years ago and Obito wasn't even born yet.
You could write more on timeline claim.
Madara is aware of Tobi. Majority believes that Madara died around the time when Nagato used rinnegan for the first time. That happened about 35 years ago and Obito wasn't even born yet.
Nagato mastered all ninjutsu at the age of 10
Nagato was seven when he met Jiraya. He was 6 or 7 years old when he used Rinnegan for the first time. Nagato was around 40 years old when he died.
In conclusion : Nagato used rinnegan for the first time about 34-35 years in past. Obito wasn't even born back then.
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Nagato was seven when he met Jiraya. He was 6 or 7 years old when he used Rinnegan for the first time. Nagato was around 40 years old when he died.
In conclusion : Nagato used rinnegan for the first time about 34-35 years in past. Obito wasn't even born back then.
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Re: Tobi's right sharingan has same ability as kakashi's left?
Yep he had but he has a whole collection of eyes. And like kakashi he hid his eye during fighting, which would be completly stupid if there wouldn´t be something about it. Like he lost one and implanted one to use izanagi in a bad moment.
Yep he had but he has a whole collection of eyes. And like kakashi he hid his eye during fighting, which would be completly stupid if there wouldn´t be something about it. Like he lost one and implanted one to use izanagi in a bad moment.
Re: Tobi's right sharingan has same ability as kakashi's left?
I don't have time to look for the manga scans at the moment, but you can find the info on Narutopedia when you search Jiraiya. The reason why your timeline doesn't fit is because they fought Hanzo during the second shinobi war. Infact, they just got back from that battle on their way home when they met the orphans. At that time Jiraiya wasn't even a Jonin.
Bigfoot34501
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Of course I assume that Shisui had KA in both eyes
Well you just showed me that Shisui's right eye did have MS, so I won't say anything about that. But you have to remember that Ao probably didn't know the name of Kotoamatsukami. He did describe the characteristics of it though and it sounded pretty similar to KA. Also do you really think Shisui had two different MS techs that required ten years to use again without Hashirama senju's DNA? I actually made my own thread about Shisui's eyes a while ago
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Of course I assume that Shisui had KA in both eyes
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Tobi is not a real Uchiha
I know this fact has been stated before, but I find it strange Tobi is never shown with his sharingan or rinnegan deactivated, ever. This is a trait of someone with implanted eyes not of the Uchiha bloodline. Even Madara and Sasuke only have their sharingans on when they're ready to fight. The amount of time Tobi leaves his active would be a pointless drain even to an Uchiha body.
My theory is that Tobi is not an Uchiha but rather someone who was close to Madara, an ally. He became obsessed with the sharingan once he learned of its wide array of usefulness, and who wouldn't? Basic sharingan alone is one of the most OP abilities in Naruto. I assume the original owner of the eye was opposed to Madara like the rest of the Uchiha so they killed him and gave the eye/s to Tobi to assist Madara with its teleportation ability.
And lets look back at the Uchiha massacre. We know now it wasn't the real Madara so he didn't kill them over the grudge of Izuna's sacrifice and turning their backs on him. To me, it only looked appealing for him to assist Itachi because it gave him the opportunity to study sharingan more. Basically Tobi and Danzo took the spoils of that event for themselves. You can't picture a real Uchiha like Itachi and Sasuke keeping a bunch of fodder sharingans when theirs are superior. One could argue maybe he kept them as backup for Izanagi but really how often can you imagine Tobi needing it when he can go intangible. The agreement of Tobi sparing Konoha for the tradeoff of Itachi killing the Uchiha clan is fishy because Itachi was ordered to kill them anyway. Unlike Itachi who felt bad about having to murder his own kin, it meant nothing to Tobi because he wasn't one of them anyway. Their lives had as much value to him as any of Orochimaru's test subjects.
Tobi is a mad scientist type character like Orochimaru who has experimented on himself since has both the senju and Uchiha dna in him and somehow he has extended his lifespan. He's old enough to be known by Madara but he doesn't have eternal youth since he does have the wrinkles to prove it. We can clearly see he isn't an ordinary human being with the way he loses his arms and regrows them effortlessly. And for some reason when he was hit with a rasengan his arms melted like they were made of vanilla icecream. Alot of people would claim Zetsu reattaches them for him but I've yet to see a Zetsu display such an ability.
It's also strange he has never been shown with an MS. The new mask he wears has eyeholes big enough to display it so it wouldn't make sense for him to keep deactivating it after each use. It has been said Madara and Tobi were partners. Tobi, being the eye thief that he is, wouldn't allow Madara's rinnegan to go to waste after his death. The missing piece is the explanation of why they needed Nagato instead of implanting the rinnegan into himself from the get go.
I know this fact has been stated before, but I find it strange Tobi is never shown with his sharingan or rinnegan deactivated, ever. This is a trait of someone with implanted eyes not of the Uchiha bloodline. Even Madara and Sasuke only have their sharingans on when they're ready to fight. The amount of time Tobi leaves his active would be a pointless drain even to an Uchiha body.
My theory is that Tobi is not an Uchiha but rather someone who was close to Madara, an ally. He became obsessed with the sharingan once he learned of its wide array of usefulness, and who wouldn't? Basic sharingan alone is one of the most OP abilities in Naruto. I assume the original owner of the eye was opposed to Madara like the rest of the Uchiha so they killed him and gave the eye/s to Tobi to assist Madara with its teleportation ability.
And lets look back at the Uchiha massacre. We know now it wasn't the real Madara so he didn't kill them over the grudge of Izuna's sacrifice and turning their backs on him. To me, it only looked appealing for him to assist Itachi because it gave him the opportunity to study sharingan more. Basically Tobi and Danzo took the spoils of that event for themselves. You can't picture a real Uchiha like Itachi and Sasuke keeping a bunch of fodder sharingans when theirs are superior. One could argue maybe he kept them as backup for Izanagi but really how often can you imagine Tobi needing it when he can go intangible. The agreement of Tobi sparing Konoha for the tradeoff of Itachi killing the Uchiha clan is fishy because Itachi was ordered to kill them anyway. Unlike Itachi who felt bad about having to murder his own kin, it meant nothing to Tobi because he wasn't one of them anyway. Their lives had as much value to him as any of Orochimaru's test subjects.
Tobi is a mad scientist type character like Orochimaru who has experimented on himself since has both the senju and Uchiha dna in him and somehow he has extended his lifespan. He's old enough to be known by Madara but he doesn't have eternal youth since he does have the wrinkles to prove it. We can clearly see he isn't an ordinary human being with the way he loses his arms and regrows them effortlessly. And for some reason when he was hit with a rasengan his arms melted like they were made of vanilla icecream. Alot of people would claim Zetsu reattaches them for him but I've yet to see a Zetsu display such an ability.
It's also strange he has never been shown with an MS. The new mask he wears has eyeholes big enough to display it so it wouldn't make sense for him to keep deactivating it after each use. It has been said Madara and Tobi were partners. Tobi, being the eye thief that he is, wouldn't allow Madara's rinnegan to go to waste after his death. The missing piece is the explanation of why they needed Nagato instead of implanting the rinnegan into himself from the get go.
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Re: Tobi's right sharingan has same ability as kakashi's left?
Check out my thread! The orochmaru test subject theory. "orochmaru still in the game" I think my questions in there will raise more question which is what everyone loves
Check out my thread! The orochmaru test subject theory. "orochmaru still in the game" I think my questions in there will raise more question which is what everyone loves
udosohhope
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Re: Tobi is not a real Uchiha
i had that in mind for a while but come to think of it, itachi does not also deactivate his sharingan except in bushin when he uses mangekoun and the present sasuke also does not deactivate his sharingan also
do you want to tell me that maybe naggato has his reinnegan transplanted since in a certain time he never did deactivate his reinnegan? cos we all remember when he was young that he used the doujutsu only when he was in trouble
i had that in mind for a while but come to think of it, itachi does not also deactivate his sharingan except in bushin when he uses mangekoun and the present sasuke also does not deactivate his sharingan also
do you want to tell me that maybe naggato has his reinnegan transplanted since in a certain time he never did deactivate his reinnegan? cos we all remember when he was young that he used the doujutsu only when he was in trouble
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