Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

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  • I knew it was Obito/ I win you lose/ apologise now

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Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

How do you explain the fact that Kisame recognized Obito as the one who controlled the fourth Mizukage?
Two tobi's obviously. Those who say they're not, do not understand the timeline of naruto and minor events that play such a substantial role in tobi's existence and why it is impossible to have only one tobi. I can't say for sure how he recognizes him, unless there's time travel involved which would make the story get ugh...
 

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Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

Two tobi's obviously. Those who say they're not, do not understand the timeline of naruto and minor events that play such a substantial role in tobi's existence and why it is impossible to have only one tobi. I can't say for sure how he recognizes him, unless there's time travel involved which would make the story get ugh...
Madara can't be alive by that time because he died shortly after having his rinnengan and if Nagato's rinnengan are from Madara then it would mean that Madara was already dead and the eye was already implanted into a child considering that Nagato is on average same age as Kisame or just a little younger?Older?... Nagato sure had his rinnengan long before Kisame realized Tobi was controlling the 4th...
 

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Tobi is not Obito Proof! No BS!

OK i'll probebly get flamed for this but Just some thoughts that needed to go down..... and maybe turn into a mature discussion(Hopefully). Here i go:

What is interesting in this war is how Kishi uses an old tactic and quoted from "The art of war"....."Emotion is Weakness." For those who may not understand, a better way to give you a clear picture, is when Kabuto resurrects some shinobi and purposely leaves their conscience as it is.

eg: Edo Asuma vs Ino-shika-cho - Choji holds back because he doesn't want to hurt his former sensei.

Now Zetsu is playing a huge part in this war, and i'll explain later. But to clearify things...... remember, this is a war and every bit of knowledge, tactic, method, whatever you want to call it, is essential in winning and "Tobi" knows this and so does Kabuto, as seen already.

Zetsu is one enigmatic character with hardly any information or back story. Maybe kishi purposely makes it that way, but what is known so far and whats important, is his ability to "shape-shift" into anyone and mimicking their chakra. Zetsu has many other abilities, but this particular ability is the most important to "Tobi". We have all seen that Tobi's body is made of the stuff from Zetsu as seen in his fight with Minato and Danzo's bodyguards.

Now whats interesting is that chapter 599 as we all know, "Tobi" is Obito. Now how do we know for sure, that Tobi is not playing a tactic or pulling his sneaking card because in this fight, the real threat to Tobi is actually kakashi. Without kakashi, naruto would have never been able to land a hit or even a scratch. "Take out the threat, win the Battle." There are other theories that state Zetsu stole Obito's body.... im not saying this is true but it would be the only logical explanation to how Obito has come to be the masked man Tobi. There is also a chapter where Tobi reveals himself to Kisame and kisame calls him madara.... which leads me to believe that zetsu played a part in this and "shape-shifted" to look like madara.

Now this is only a theory, and i wanted to put it out there before kishi explains everything and fill in the plot-holes(if he does). like i said before, hope this can become a mature discussion. Happy reading and hope chapter 599 has not put you off a great manga. :)
 

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Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

you made a mistake in your time line; we know that after tobi showed his face as madara for first time he spurred kisame to join akastuki and by that time Itachi was already in thae akastuki and kisame joined him as partner; if itachi is grown and uchiha masaccare already happened that means it's long after minato was dead
what u think?
 

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Re: Tobi is not Obito Proof! No BS!

So basically Zetsu shape-shift into Madara(Tobi) at that time and now he is again Tobi but with Obito's body??

Even if they chose his body because of his sharringan we cannot say for sure it was intact or no but since he's using it is what your saying?
 

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HOW OBITO AND KAKASHI AWAKENED THE MANGEKYO

It seems that if one awakened it, the other would too. I'm certain that Rin's death is the main reason for this, but then comes the question ''How she died?''. Obito most likely killed her. Obito's dream was to get loved by Rin, but she didn't. This could explain Tobi's words ''There's no such thing as hope!''. But of course this itself couldn't change Obito's personality, so he was probably highly influenced by the person who saved him from those boulders.
 

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I would like to use my first post to share my theory on the reason why Obito would become an evil person.

From what I can tell, Obito is partly made from white Zetsu material. I believe white Zetsu is the reason he survived being crushed by the boulders. Tobi has two personalities. One is white Zetsu(silly tobi), and the other is Obito. I believe that White Zetsu feeds off of Obito's nice side, and only leaves Obito with all the negavite aspects of his personality. Obito is the dominate personality , just like Black Zetsu. If this is true, it could also be said that Madara, or someone else used white Zetsu to heal Obito knowing that he would turn evil and become a strong ally.

I would appreciate it if someone could tell me how to create my own thread. Thank you.
 
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Re: Obito's connection w/ Naruto

Personally, I prefer for Obito to stay on the same path as he is following now. The formula for Talk-no-Jutsu can't be the solution for everything and it would honestly ruin the image of the antagonist that he been well built up for so long. But you are right, there is definitely a possibility that Obito can be swayed by Naruto's words and join the fight against Madara Uchiha.

That being said, Obito could very well be the person that the Mountain Toad Sage was referring to when he spoke of his vision. It could be either of the three remaining Uchiha's left for all we know. Instead of Obito joining forces with Naruto to defeat Madara it could honestly be Sasuke too, seeing as to where he is going in the plot so far.
Yes seeing it from that side it would be somewhat painful. Just in my mind i feel as if Tobi/obito is going to die trying to help Naruto and Kakashi somehow then giving his other eye to Kakashi. I don't see Kakashi giving his eye back lol

But who knows..Kishi is a massive troll he hasn't fully explained Tobi's identity yet, so there could be other possibilites still...(maybe).

The Edo Tensei Madara is way overpowered now and i wander if he will end up taking control of the gedo thing that Tobi has. An undying body unlimited chakra. How far has he excelled since his revival. That is why I mentioned my over powered team. He is not the same Madara that fought Hashi. He even has Rinnegan -_- I don't think plot no jutsu will help Naruto solo Madara

I'm not flaming at chazbak..I'm just giving my reason why I think that team is needed.
Imo i feel he is incredibly overpowered and understated at the moment. While others feel he isn't that far ahead of Naruto.
 
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Re: Tobi is not Obito (manga proof)

Oh this explained everything! So a 2 to 3 year old Obito controlled the Mizukage...

Yeah, I'll go with Tobi being Izuna initially, and then transferring bodies with Obito when he was nearing his end and needed a new body.
then i might ask where did he get that sharingan "right eye" from when he showed himself to Kisame? Eyeless Izuna gets a Sharingan from nowhere?

Does not make sense, i think kishi just did not care about timeline, and he controlled yagura eventuelly much later or it was madara himself.

Flashback of Obitos proves in 599 it is fully Obito won't make any sense to put a flashback about his life an personality to show us izuna is controlling this guy, this would be much bigger troll then anything else~
 

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Re: Tobi is not Obito (manga proof)

Zabuza graduated the academy at the age of 9 and slaughtered the rest of the graduates. Tobi was in charge of the 4th mizukage and brought in that time known as the bloody mist. Problem is, Zabuza is the same age as kakashi, so with that being said it is conceptually impossible according to the manga for Obito to of controlled the 4th Mizukage let alone of been tobi as that time.


This ..
 

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Re: Obito's connection w/ Naruto

This probably means that Itachi knew who Tobi was from the beginning
itachi has no idea what hes talking about. he said that trying to do everything on you own would make naruto like madara who tried doing everything on his own and lost to hashi because of it. in itachis thoughts, he refers to obito as madara. so he didnt know at all. but what does itachi turn around and do? try to end the entire war ON HIS OWN. so itachi = madara accordig to itachi himself.
 

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I honestly can't understand why people don't want to believe that maybe Madara lived until Obito's time? -.-
Because it wouldn't make sense. "I died shortly after awakening rinnegans" In other words Madara died a little after Nagato got the rinnegans, which means during 2nd great ninja war. At that time Obito wasn't even born.
 

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Theory on how obito is still alive

i Noe sum1 probably said this but im saying it anyhow....Im thinking that maybe seconds b4 he was about to get crushed he unlocked his space time tech. its the only way to come up with an conclusion that makes sense seeing that his other half of his face is perfectly fine...he probably waited and healed in the other dimension thinking he was dead..by the time he mastered how to return to the real world rin possibly died already...thus changing him...but honestly i dont think it had too much to do with rin becuase he wudda been tried to kill kakashi...thts who he left her safety with...but idk...for all we know its just sum1 using obitos body...
 
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