Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[Haku Yuki]

After chapter 599, I am pretty sure that Tobi is not Obito!

First lets start with the beginning.

Uchiha Madara!
Was around 25 years old when Konoha was founded.
Around 10 years later he fought Hashirama and was "defeated", but got Hashirama's cells.
He was very injured after this fight, and the coming years he created Zetsu! And around the same time he got the rinnengan. And shortly after he got the rinnengan he died. Not much older than the fight between him and Hashirama. Here somewhere Tobi must already have been involved. He got the rinnengan. And approximately 40 years later. Nagato was born. Tobi gave the eyes to Nagato. To use them to revive Madara.

Now here is where the things get weird. If Madara died about 30 years before Nagato was even born. How in the world would he even know about Nagato. But Madara resturrected did know about him! but looked just as he did in his prime. and this is the only thing my theori cant fit in.

But here it goes.

Madara created White Zetsu and Black Zetsu. And a third! Tobi. beein half madara half zetsu. As we have seen some of white zetsu's ability, to take chakra and copy the enemy looking just like them (dont know if he can use their abilities but yes) What if the third creation Tobi had that ability just way better, with some of madara's conciseness. He first took Madara's body. thu's having the long hair we have seen in some chapters aswell Madara's memories therfore knowing everything about his past and so on. In the world war were Obito presumably died. What is Tobi used that same ability to change into Obito's body! He did and he really liked his Sharingan technique, but at the sametime he got some of obitos personality (aswell as obitos memories, he dreams and so on). just as he got from madara' the first time. Thus he used the Madara body, when meeting with Kisame, Itachi etc.. Making them believe he was the real Madara. Using tobi's body when he needed that and using his Sharingan.

Before this chapter I thought, well maybe it is Obito! But when I saw obito, I just got a feeling it is not Obito. Because it just does not make sense that. Madara gave Nagato the Rinnengan and still beeing this young. I think that had chakra within tobi so when he was revieved he knew what tobi had done "like kage bunshin" it came back to him. When he switched to Obito's body, Madara could not sense what he was doing no more. Tobi attacked yondaime, a couple of years after Obito died. And if it was Obito, how in the world could he had learned sooo much, in such a short time. Did Madara teach him? I doubt it
Did white and black zetsu find him and teach him. Possibly but very unlikely. Pluss Akatsuki, was already created before Obito died!


Tobi is Obito?
It seems as if everybody thinks that now! But I just have my doubts.
What do you guys think??
is Tobi really Obito?

Well thought. Very plausible.

I do not think that "obito" is the whole intact original obito

 

[havean]

here my new theory

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[uchiha014]

Re: Hold your horses (Tobito)

i think it has something to do with orchimaru cause he was a part of the akatsuki then

 

[acellworld]

My theory about Obito

I think that obito that we see today is actualy from another dimension where he was betrayed or somethink so using kamui he came to this dimension to seek revange. This theory was backed up with the filler which was put in the anime for no reason where a sakura from another dimension just switches places with the real sakuro.

 

[teravita9]

Re: My theory about Obito

1. a filler is not canon.
2. this is not DBZ.

 

[Badass09]

Re: My theory about Obito

I think that obito that we see today is actualy from another dimension where he was betrayed or somethink so using kamui he came to this dimension to seek revange. This theory was backed up with the filler which was put in the anime for no reason where a sakura from another dimension just switches places with the real sakuro.

Kamui leads to an empty dimension where there is no life... Sakura's stuff can't be the explanation of it... There are no other dimensions other than Kamui's dimension which is an empty wide place nothing else.

 

[Mizukage88]

Re: My theory about Obito

The sakura thing was a special episode to promote the new movie

 

[BelievesItsNotButter]

Re: My theory about Obito

I stopped watching that episode in less than 3 minutes

 

[snake orochimaru]

Re: My theory about Obito

this Obito is from Edolas xd

 

[venuboppudi]

Re: My theory about Obito

if he can come from that other dimension, he would have gone there to escape from TBB and naruto rasengan to face don't u think so?

 

[-Frost Knight-]

obito is tobi i now before u guys lock ate his haire same

and its apasite of kakashe

 

[Sentinelsgalore]

Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

Now that Kishi has revealed Tobi to be obito, people are struggerling to see how he could have done what he has said in the past due to timeline paradoxes. However, we know that during the time Tobi said these things he was pretending to be Madara. So the question is, was he lying or speaking of the real Madara.

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This is a panel showing Kisame's memories. It is a memory from the period of Kirigakure when it was 'the Village of bloody mist'. The country was known as that because during this period for academy students to graduate they would have to kill a teammate. Zabuza was the one who ended this parctice by killing all his classmates at the age of 9, the age he graduated from the academy. Kisame discovers that it is in fact 'Madara' who is controlling the fourth Mizukage and therefore responsible for the period of the village of the bloody mist. However, kisame is sceptical and question how Madara could still be alive when he was around before villages were even established.

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Here we can see that Tobi is showing his face to Kisame. Kisame recognizes the face as the one he saw in the past. However, we know that Tobi is now Obito. Therefore, we can conclude that the 'Madara' that Kisame saw is also Obito. This is a plot hole in accordance with the timeline. As I said, Zabuza was 9 when he ended the period. Kakashi was the same age as zabuza as stated by the data books. Therefore, If Obito was the one controlling the fourth mizukage he would also have to be 9. But as you can see Obito is a grown man, So I don't know how Kisame recognized him.

What further complicates the fact that Kisame believes long haired Tobi and Obito is the same is the fact that Obito was also supposedly there during Naruto's birth. Obito would have been 14 when he fought Minato. A year after he had awoken his sharingan and he can now control the 9 tails fox.

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It doesn't make sense. Therfore, we can see that the age timelines do not make sense in accordance with the controlling of the fourth mizukage and the fight against Minato. you will also notice that Obito has cut his hair again from 'long hair Madara' back to his vintage spiky hair. In chronological order, the next time we see Tobi is when he is with Itachi at the Uchiha clan massacre.

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If this 'long haired Madara' is Obito, which is what Kisame states, he has grown his long hair again. However, i believe that when Kisame met 'Madara' the first time he did not have a mask' but was just hiding in the shadows. This is evident because as 'Madara' was about to walk out of the shadows Kisame bit his tongue to prevent the konoha ninja from seeing any more of his memories. My question is If Kisame is lying and the two Tobi's are not the same person, then why is the other Tobi also wearing a mask. Especially if the other tobi is Madara. Why would Madara need to wear a mask. However, If long haired 'Madara' is Obito how will Kishi explain the plot paradoxes.

Thoughts? Will Kishi fill all the plotholes?

 

[Legendary Broly]

Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

lets just wait

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All shall be explained xd
And btw the way his eye went all shocked could also be because he is under a genjutsu - just a theory :scorps:

 

[MrSimple]

Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

Ask Kishi cause people with that theory cannot say how Obito traveled in the past for all the things, but you know they say Obito=Tobi

Waiting for Kishi

 

[lol99]

Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

is it so difficult to wait for a few days?

think about something else for the next few days

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

Please wait for few day.

Patience is everything.

 

[Unbiased]

Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

Now that Kishi has revealed Tobi to be obito, people are struggerling to see how he could have done what he has said in the past due to timeline paradoxes. However, we know that during the time Tobi said these things he was pretending to be Madara. So the question is, was he lying or speaking of the real Madara.

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This is a panel showing Kisame's memories. It is a memory from the period of Kirigakure when it was 'the Village of bloody mist'. The country was known as that because during this period for academy students to graduate they would have to kill a teammate. Zabuza was the one who ended this parctice by killing all his classmates at the age of 9, the age he graduated from the academy. Kisame discovers that it is in fact 'Madara' who is controlling the fourth Mizukage and therefore responsible for the period of the village of the bloody mist. However, kisame is sceptical and question how Madara could still be alive when he was around before villages were even established.

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Here we can see that Tobi is showing his face to Kisame. Kisame recognizes the face as the one he saw in the past. However, we know that Tobi is now Obito. Therefore, we can conclude that the 'Madara' that Kisame saw is also Obito. This is a plot hole in accordance with the timeline. As I said, Zabuza was 9 when he ended the period. Kakashi was the same age as zabuza as stated by the data books. Therefore, If Obito was the one controlling the fourth mizukage he would also have to be 9. But as you can see Obito is a grown man, So I don't know how Kisame recognized him.

What further complicates the fact that Kisame believes long haired Tobi and Obito is the same is the fact that Obito was also supposedly there during Naruto's birth. Obito would have been 14 when he fought Minato. A year after he had awoken his sharingan and he can now control the 9 tails fox.

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It doesn't make sense. Therfore, we can see that the age timelines do not make sense in accordance with the controlling of the fourth mizukage and the fight against Minato. you will also notice that Obito has cut his hair again from 'long hair Madara' back to his vintage spiky hair. In chronological order, the next time we see Tobi is when he is with Itachi at the Uchiha clan massacre.

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If this 'long haired Madara' is Obito, which is what Kisame states, he has grown his long hair again. However, i believe that when Kisame met 'Madara' the first time he did not have a mask' but was just hiding in the shadows. This is evident because as 'Madara' was about to walk out of the shadows Kisame bit his tongue to prevent the konoha ninja from seeing any more of his memories. My question is If Kisame is lying and the two Tobi's are not the same person, then why is the other Tobi also wearing a mask. Especially if the other tobi is Madara. Why would Madara need to wear a mask. However, If long haired 'Madara' is Obito how will Kishi explain the plot paradoxes.

Thoughts? Will Kishi fill all the plotholes?

Tobi was controlling the mizukage before obito unlocked his sharingan. Therefore they're two different tobi's. Zabuza is the same age as kakashi and kakashi is the same age as obito. (obito "died" at 13 and kakashi became a jounin at 13). Zabuza lived in the bloody mist which was a result of Tobi, therefore they're two tobi;s.

 

[Sentinelsgalore]

Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

Tobi was controlling the mizukage before obito unlocked his sharingan. Therefore they're two different tobi's. Zabuza is the same age as kakashi and kakashi is the same age as obito. (obito "died" at 13 and kakashi became a jounin at 13). Zabuza lived in the bloody mist which was a result of Tobi, therefore they're two tobi;s.

How do you explain the fact that Kisame recognized Obito as the one who controlled the fourth Mizukage?

 

[Parrish]

Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

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[Badass09]

Re: Why the Two Tobi's theory does not make sense

Spoiler

Now that Kishi has revealed Tobi to be obito, people are struggerling to see how he could have done what he has said in the past due to timeline paradoxes. However, we know that during the time Tobi said these things he was pretending to be Madara. So the question is, was he lying or speaking of the real Madara.

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This is a panel showing Kisame's memories. It is a memory from the period of Kirigakure when it was 'the Village of bloody mist'. The country was known as that because during this period for academy students to graduate they would have to kill a teammate. Zabuza was the one who ended this parctice by killing all his classmates at the age of 9, the age he graduated from the academy. Kisame discovers that it is in fact 'Madara' who is controlling the fourth Mizukage and therefore responsible for the period of the village of the bloody mist. However, kisame is sceptical and question how Madara could still be alive when he was around before villages were even established.

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Here we can see that Tobi is showing his face to Kisame. Kisame recognizes the face as the one he saw in the past. However, we know that Tobi is now Obito. Therefore, we can conclude that the 'Madara' that Kisame saw is also Obito. This is a plot hole in accordance with the timeline. As I said, Zabuza was 9 when he ended the period. Kakashi was the same age as zabuza as stated by the data books. Therefore, If Obito was the one controlling the fourth mizukage he would also have to be 9. But as you can see Obito is a grown man, So I don't know how Kisame recognized him.

What further complicates the fact that Kisame believes long haired Tobi and Obito is the same is the fact that Obito was also supposedly there during Naruto's birth. Obito would have been 14 when he fought Minato. A year after he had awoken his sharingan and he can now control the 9 tails fox.

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It doesn't make sense. Therfore, we can see that the age timelines do not make sense in accordance with the controlling of the fourth mizukage and the fight against Minato. you will also notice that Obito has cut his hair again from 'long hair Madara' back to his vintage spiky hair. In chronological order, the next time we see Tobi is when he is with Itachi at the Uchiha clan massacre.

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If this 'long haired Madara' is Obito, which is what Kisame states, he has grown his long hair again. However, i believe that when Kisame met 'Madara' the first time he did not have a mask' but was just hiding in the shadows. This is evident because as 'Madara' was about to walk out of the shadows Kisame bit his tongue to prevent the konoha ninja from seeing any more of his memories. My question is If Kisame is lying and the two Tobi's are not the same person, then why is the other Tobi also wearing a mask. Especially if the other tobi is Madara. Why would Madara need to wear a mask. However, If long haired 'Madara' is Obito how will Kishi explain the plot paradoxes.

Thoughts? Will Kishi fill all the plotholes?

This should be it, I mean should be K.O!
Tobi was wearing a mask because his body and face does not show who he is as the body might not be his own neither the face.

BTW Let Obito rest in peace...