Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[Phoenix Wright]

These are pieces I have from a puzzle.
Maybe we could all work out and resolve the puzzle.

I already did, but nobody believes me...

Two theories are left, in terms of probability:

1.Future Obito
2.Obito is Izuna's reincarnation, and Madara had something to do that.

I know im arrogant, but i'll stay by these, and nothing else will convince me. Theory 1 is my main one though.

 

[supino]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

And to clear up Obito's age when he died was 13

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gee... from 'I will protect my companions' to a cold-blooded murderer. he was even making sarcastic remarks before killing or attempting to kill people. well, at least the flashbacks we will get are bound to be interesting.

 

[yaya]

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Op: Obviously you don't know Obito and Kakashi are the same age? Since Naruto is 16 and the kyuubi attack happened when Naruto was born, how ****ing hard is it to figure out Obito's age with Kakashi being 30?

When Obito fought Minato, Minato didn't own him hard. You're wrong there. Minato recognized him as a serious threat and even likened him to Madara himself. He said what Obito did, a 14 year old who only a year earlier was a loser in combat, could only be compared to the strongest Uchiha during his time - present time.

How did Obito know Madara? Why haven't anybody explained this yet? Kishi says Madara knows Tobi and the manga says Madara died before Obito was born. Wtf is up with that?

We know that Kisame recognized Tobi as the one who controlled Yagura.

common man obito wasn't much of loser in his last fight! he even saved kakashi from being hit by the falling rocks!

 

[Lord Granator]

People are getting too worked up, the last chapter showed Obito to be Tobi simple.
Go back to the secret behind Itachi's crow in Naruto, Kishi clearly has great ideas (its why every1 has been reading the manga for so long). He will definitely throw in some sort of twist or well constructed explanation and even create some more mysteries, so just sit tight and wait.

 

[Strict]

Kishimoto showed Obitos Flashback purposely. He showed how a kind, innocent boy who turned to be a cold and obsessed person who goes through corpses and wants to control the whole world. With an overwhelming power and knowledge. Why, and how Obito became so? Why this young, innocent and weak Uchiha aroused Madaras interest? Many question where we just have to wait for Kishimotos explanation.

 

[Chatte]

I already did, but nobody believes me...

Two theories are left, in terms of probability:

1.Future Obito
2.Obito is Izuna's reincarnation, and Madara had something to do that.

I know im arrogant, but i'll stay by these, and nothing else will convince me. Theory 1 is my main one though.

The future Obito we already discussed about it.
But the second... hmm, that could somehow be.. true? As it will have both Obito and Izuna trapped inside the same body?

Dunno, for the moment I am doing some researches to establish Madara's timeline. I think this is the key to everything further related.

Why do I believe that it's Izuna.

Here Madara is very confident that it's HIS doing

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Therefore, has to be someone VERY close to him. Who else than rather his brother? Since here he's reffering to OUR plan...

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Meaning the Infinite Tsukyomi

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Now, as we know, Sasuke's been hanging around with Tobi since the Itachi fight, and even at a point Tobi's mask was down, meaning Sasuke knows as well who is behind the mask.

Now, the thing is this... Look how Sasuke and Orochimaru reffer:

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Yes, them.
Meaning it implies that there are 2 different characters.

And look how here it puts Sasuke between the 2 of them

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I know you are going to tell me that it is about the phrase "The one who knows everything", but maybe this implies a secret that combined between the two brothers it's resulting in one absolute secret.

Now, Orochimaru knows who Tobi is as well:

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This is a detail I'll have to work on...
Though my guess is that Madara met somehow Orochimaru who helped him to make Zetsu and bring Izuna back and that would explain how Kabuto knows about them and how he had acces to Madara's DNA, yet he told Tobi that he won't reveal his secret.

 

[yaya]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

i guess by saying he found the sharingan at the kannabi bridge,he wanted to keep his identity unknown by giving a trivial answer,cause obito awakened the sharingan at this very place...

 

[lightning f57]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

the interview where kishi said tobi and madara knew eachother wasnt fake it was only the izuna one

What I dont get if someone can answer this, How did Tobi know who's in the 6th Coffin when Kubutu summoned it using IWR. That tells me Tobi knew who Madara is.

 

[daviddragon]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

i wait to next week ...

 

[william7]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

I guess now we can rule out neil patrik haris

 

[apple pie of doom]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

I would have found it more original and fitting if it was Hitler for some reason.
Then he would actually deserve his badassness.
Trying to cleanse the world of the lies some people made about him with the moons eye plan...

Well that would be even more logical.

 

[Armathyx]

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1. You keep on saying that Obito knows so much because Obito knows everything Madara knew through Zetsu. If this is the case than is it safe to say that Zetsu knows that Tobi is Obito. THIS IS A PLOTHOLE IN ITSELF If Zetsu was the one who implanted Harishima's cells in Obito then he should clearly know who he is. How can you explain the fact that on Tobi's first appearance when he was alone with Zetsu collecting Sasori's ring he pretended to be a 'good boy'. This suggests that Zetsu did not know who Tobi was and does not know as much as Madara because Obito was trying to fool him.

Zetsu knew Tobi, but he was pretending he didn't to play along with Tobi's role.

2. You say that it wasn't Obito who gave Nagato the rinnegan but Madara, didn't Obito claim he was Madara? Obito said that he was Madara, we need to know why he said it. Its Kishi's fault for confusing us of what Madara did and what Tobi did. Surely Madara would have been dead. we don't know if it was Obito or Madara who was controlling the mizukage, who was at the Uchiha clan massacre and who gave the rinnegan to Nagato.

It's already been stated why Obito pretended to be Madara, it's a name that holds power, it was to make himself look more fearsome to the five Kage.

3. You are being hypocritical, you said that there is no evidence that Obito died and you think he stayed alive as evident of his age. If you say this he was 13 when the boulder crushed so he would be 14 when at Naruto's birth. This timeline does not make sense.

What???

I wish to make an interesting point, If you remember in chapter 598 'Obito' said that he found his sharingan at kannabi bridge. If he was Obito why would he say this?

Cause that's where he awakened the sharingan, go read the chapter again.

 

[EMS RNNG]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

blah blah blah

 

[GIMV]

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I rest my case. Basic maths is beyond him. He refuses to understand that Obito was 14 years old when he attacked Konoha. It says even on the databook which is made by Kishi that he died at the age of 13, and also that Kakashi is 30 years old...

 

[Armathyx]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Our Kishi-troll > your basic maths.

 

[Jako98146]

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"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

Actually, Obito was 14, since naruto was 12 at the start of the series, the nine-tail attack happened 12 years before the start of the series, and at the start kakashi was 26, but can't disagree with anything else

 

[Gyakusetsu]

The future Obito we already discussed about it.
But the second... hmm, that could somehow be.. true? As it will have both Obito and Izuna trapped inside the same body?

Dunno, for the moment I am doing some researches to establish Madara's timeline. I think this is the key to everything further related.

Boshans already did a lot of work on timeline. Hiruzen being something of a key. Just search it. Izuna's dead though. It's someone else. Look at what Tobi omitted when talking to Sasuke about the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha 16 years ago. Not his lie, what he omitted.

 

[Sentinelsgalore]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Zetsu knew Tobi, but he was pretending he didn't to play along with Tobi's role.


It's already been stated why Obito pretended to be Madara, it's a name that holds power, it was to make himself look more fearsome to the five Kage.


What???


Cause that's where he awakened the sharingan, go read the chapter again.

kaksashi asked him where did you get that eye? Not where did you awaken the sharingan. The last time I checked just because an Uchiha hasn't awoken the sharingan doesn't mean he hasn't got an eye. Obito said he found the eye, please explain?

 

[neezyb]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

Point me to where this was proven.

 

[hearteaterx]

maybe he thought of him as madara? when he even saw sasuke the first time he said your eyes resemble him. Madara was the first one who controlled kyuubi afterwards nobody else could have done it, so Kurama would for sure have told them who tobi really is if they would have known each other before madara.
I think he just thought it is Madara, because of his Attitude or Aura that maybe resembled madara somehow.

The 9 tails knows Tobi/Obito because Tobi/Obito already used his sharingan to control the 9 tails before. -.- Are you forgetting that?

The people saying that the 9 tails thought Tobi was Madara are being counter-productive here. Kurama knew him because he remembered him from the attack on the village when Naruto was born.

Even though we know Tobi is at least partly Obito, there's got to be more to it. What characters might possibly be connected to Tobi's identity? Does Orochimaru know anything? Perhaps when Orochimaru was experimenting with Danzo he was using the oppurtunity to create Tobi... or maybe Orochimaru has nothing to do with it.

It's also possible Danzo has some connection to this... in flashbacks of Kabuto's childhood Danzo had bandages all over his face, but we don't know why. Maybe Tobi is a combination of Danzo and Obito and various other ninja? :/ Obito/Tobi did use izanagi after all, so he also has the 1st hokage's dna. It's becoming more and more likely he's a mish-mash of other characters..

I can't wait for manga 600.