Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[looking 4 name]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Because the interview was fake. Get over it sometime? There was also an interview saying he was Izuna and he isn't.

the interview where kishi said tobi and madara knew eachother wasnt fake it was only the izuna one

 

[mabanae]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

This is how you can tell is someone was an Obito theory basher... Fece it, the hints were there, you just happened to miss them. We were right, you were wrong, end of story... :noc:

this , read this 1000 time and print it on a paper and stick it to your wall to see it everyday xdxdxdxd:ice::ice::ice:

 

[Downforwardx]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

lol @ you.

You're one of those people who when presented with an apple would say it is an orange.

tard.

You're one of those people that when presented with a man in a bear costume claims it's a bear.

 

[KillerbYo]

Nagato said that the second shinobi was a war Konoha started. Madara could have still been alive then since Tobirama was alive. So then maybe he had something to do with starting that war. And if he would start that war then he would be indirectly responsible for Yahikos dreams of Akatsuki and Nagatos parents death.

 

[Armathyx]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I was reading this:

oh my god people.........
Tobi is obito, accept it, deal with it, get it whatever but he is obito.
Plot holes? yeah there are so many holes about it, bu can you wait to next weeks instead of making wrong theories or conclusions?

First, Look AT the title : Obito uchiha.
Then read the chapter : about obito uchiha..
Finally see the last page : tobi without his mask, boom.. he looks like obito with scars.

Still don't get it? don't problem dude think about this.
WHY the HELL kishi did a whole chapter about obito? then he showed us tobi without his mask.......................... common sense people please, is not that hard.

Still don't get it? Read it 10102010 times .
Still don't get it? you're a idiot.

I didn't think tobi would be obito but he was obito AND WHAT? I deal with it, it's just a manga come on.
BUT HOW OBITO DID GIVE THE RINNEGAN TO NAGATO?
BUT HOW OBITO DID FIGHT WITH MINATO IF HE WAS 13 YEARS OLD?
BUT HOW...

Can you wait to next week?

please stop these threads already.

Why kishi would waste a whole chapter about obito's memories if we know it already?
Why kishi would waste a whole chapter about obito's memories if we know it already?
Why kishi would waste a whole chapter about obito's memories if we know it already?

While listening to this :

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And thinking this:

"I want you to feel Obito, to think about Obito, to accept Obito, to know Obito."

 

[sulanis]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

My guess would be that Obito took on the Tobi persona after Madara died. Which then Obito took over. because i don't remember seeing Tobi use S/T ninjutsu before he fought Minato

 

[Destruction of Konoha]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

First off, everyone quit whining. Tobi is Obito end of story. If you're still not satisfied go talk to Kishimoto about it. But have people really not considered there being two DIFFERENT Tobis? Here is what I think is viable and makes sense. Obito was rescued by Madara (being the first Tobi to keep his identity conceled after maybe faking his death) and Zetsu. Obito was healed using parts of Zetsu (explains why he oozed white) and taken under Madara's wing. Now lets asume that this first Tobi (Madara) dies. Being Obitos mentor, Obito takes on his legacy and name doing as his master would want to be done. Now I am aware there may be holes in this theory, but nothing that can't be fixed through discussion. So please, be nice :shrug:

 

[supino]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

the problem is not about accepting Obito, the real issue here is for Obito not to troll plenty of our favourite moments and characters in that manga. nobody would care half as much if things were not as badly messed as they are right now.

 

[Jinton Spam]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

damn...I don't know how kishi is going to get out of this one there are way to many plotholes that he can't be obito kishi is going to have to think of something fast

he already did , his work is ahead with several chapters at least
if he publish them all at once the anime will end in 1 month

it's all about money, the longer it gets , more money goes to kishi

,,even hell runs on money''

 

[elxdark]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I was reading this:



While listening to this :

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And thinking this:

"I want you to feel Obito, to think about Obito, to accept Obito, to know Obito."

hahaha lol xd

 

[Bloodytaste]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

like, +rep. bold parts: agree 100%, underlined: really interesting, but not so sure about Madara having a kid with a non-Uchiha. plus he is sexist. unless, his wife beat him up first...xd
(when was it shown that Obito/Tobi is afraid of Madara? maybe, he is...)

ty, but as we know madara was maybe interested in new poweres and nagato could be a test to proof. Its not a problem for him to use some genjutsu and "make love" with her or plant an Baby inside of her xD yeah its a bit far feltched, but i kinda found it funny, after seeing how much they resemble each other in some way. We never really saw Nagatos Paranets or his real father. This murder of his Parents could have been faked by Madara to awaken Nagatos Rinnegan~
And it won't be that bad to think, cuz Uzumaki arn't real Senju they got apart so they never had a real " problem " with the uchiha, one way or another this would explain some connections, and make Nagato into a really important character in the whole Manga, maybe he really was the child to bring peace indirectly~

 

[Koha]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

no, and it wasnt after a YEAR that he faced minato, a few years had already passed.

No.... It was only 13 months between Obito's death & Kurama's attack on the village.....

 

[AlexXx]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

this was said 1000 times in other threads and you really have to make another just to say that again?

 

[supino]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

ty, but as we know madara was maybe interested in new poweres and nagato could be a test to proof. Its not a problem for him to use some genjutsu and "make love" with her or plant an Baby inside of her xD yeah its a bit far feltched, but i kinda found it funny, after seeing how much they resemble each other in some way. We never really saw Nagatos Paranets or his real father. This murder of his Parents could have been faked by Madara to awaken Nagatos Rinnegan~
And it won't be that bad to think, cuz Uzumaki arn't real Senju they got apart so they never had a real " problem " with the uchiha, one way or another this would explain some connections, and make Nagato into a really important character in the whole Manga, maybe he really was the child to bring peace indirectly~

i don't know, you might be right. it is an interesting theory and i will back you up simply because Nagato has been trolled way too much. maybe this way his value as a character could be redeemed in a sense. and you are right there is an eerie similarity. why not? after all, crazy things have been happening ever since this war started... dead shinobi revived; check. Madara reappears; check. did he rape them all; double-check. Orochimaru is still alive after being killed and later trapped in an illusion world; hell-yeah-check. you get my point.

 

[susano123456789]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

who new tobi is obito from day 1

 

[Memoria]

one of the many things that need to be explained....

also... since Obito survived and he is an Uchiha, this means Sasuke is not the only survivor, and maybe that if Kakashi, Guy and Naruto try to kill him they are by extension aiding in the Uchiha extermination? xd

I think that he will survive and play a big part in the story. Maybe Kakashi will give him back his Sharingan and get Nagato's Rinnegan in return [lol], and with two Sharingan's that awakened the Mangekyo, he will be able to use Susanoo. along with the defensive and offensive Kamui, he will be a B E A S T!

But all of that is a maybe, not before the Ten-Tails is revived...

 

[Chatte]

One thing I noticed about the Kurama event. 16 years ago, you all know what happened.

So, here Tobi states something regarding the event:

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It doesn't match as we know he is the one behind the attack.
And I know he is also lieing in order to manipulate and that is a missing piece of puzzle as well, but let's just take this into consideration.
So...

His battle with Hashirama took place over 80 years ago, as stated here:

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From this, we can be accurate that it wasn't a hundred years as the statement would've been different, "100 years ago" or if it would've been more it would've been "over 100 years ago".

So is somewhere around 80-99 years ago, taking into consideration the gaps.
The problem is from where to decrease the 16 years ago Kurama's attack?
80 years ago or 99 years ago, in order to be able to find a pretty accurate timeline....

These are pieces I have from a puzzle.
Maybe we could all work out and resolve the puzzle.

 

[Koha]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Kakashi was about 4 to 6 years younger than Obito. Remember Kakashi graduated from the academy at 5. Most people graduate at 12, even geniuses like Sasuke and Neji graduated at around 12.

Teams are chosen from academy graduates, so they got grouped after the academy, hence it doesnt mean they were the same age. Obito was never stated to be a genius, so he could have graduated at 12, when Kakashi graduated at 6.

Meaning he attacked the Village at about 20.

This makes sense.

What the fxck?????? ...... No, Just NO!
:sy:

Kakashi became a Chunin at 6, graduated the academy at 5.
Obito and Rin were the same age as Kakashi, but didn't become Genin until
they were 9 years old. They then became a team, when Kakashi hit 13 he became a jonin, and Obito & Rin became Chunin... Obito died at the age of 13, and the attack on Konoha happened 13 months later, meaning Kakashi & Obito were both 14... It makes no sense at all how OBITO UCHIHA became that OP

 

[JakeLife510]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Just to clear up the age thing of Kakashi, in the official Naruto Shippuden Data Book created by Kishi himself. Kakashi is stated to be 27 years old. So Kakashi was 11 when Naruto was born and Tobi attacked Konoha

Just clearing things up. and thus below meaning, when Obito died he was older then Kakashi

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And to clear up Obito's age when he died was 13

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[Sentinelsgalore]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.

1. You keep on saying that Obito knows so much because Obito knows everything Madara knew through Zetsu. If this is the case than is it safe to say that Zetsu knows that Tobi is Obito. THIS IS A PLOTHOLE IN ITSELF If Zetsu was the one who implanted Harishima's cells in Obito then he should clearly know who he is. How can you explain the fact that on Tobi's first appearance when he was alone with Zetsu collecting Sasori's ring he pretended to be a 'good boy'. This suggests that Zetsu did not know who Tobi was and does not know as much as Madara because Obito was trying to fool him.

2. You say that it wasn't Obito who gave Nagato the rinnegan but Madara, didn't Obito claim he was Madara? Obito said that he was Madara, we need to know why he said it. Its Kishi's fault for confusing us of what Madara did and what Tobi did. Surely Madara would have been dead. we don't know if it was Obito or Madara who was controlling the mizukage, who was at the Uchiha clan massacre and who gave the rinnegan to Nagato.

3. You are being hypocritical, you said that there is no evidence that Obito died and you think he stayed alive as evident of his age. If you say this he was 13 when the boulder crushed so he would be 14 when at Naruto's birth. This timeline does not make sense.

I wish to make an interesting point, If you remember in chapter 598 'Obito' said that he found his sharingan at kannabi bridge. If he was Obito why would he say this?