Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[oShux]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.

Actually Obito was 14 remember he was the same age as kakashi and gai and asuma and etc and when tobi attacked the village he had an adult body while all his peers were still teens proof enough?

 

[oShux]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

wow every 1 of your reasons is bullshit and im a tobi=obito fan

Thank you!

 

[jt1891]

Am I the only person interested in exactly what Obito is? He obviously isn't fully human. Both of his arms have been shown to be artificial, and the blow Minato dealt to him would have instantly turned anyone else into paste. Kabuto barely survived Naruto's half-assed Rasengan even with his enhanced regeneration during Part I, but somehow Obito took the most powerful (Normal) Rasengan we've seen and kept on coming. That implies that his internal organs have been altered dramatically. Also, given that both of his arms were lost, I'd guess his legs were removed as well.

So, that raises a question to me; Does the major reconstruction he had to have undergone relate to his massive increase in ability?

 

[Gèckö]

i won't accept him as obito, even if he really is obito

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Well... actually if he admits that he was behind the attack, Sasuke would go against him because basically it will prove everyone's beliefs that it was the Uchihas behind the attack and Konoha were somewhat right to hold a grunge against the Uchihas and thus making Itachi's decision to extinguish them all, right?

And I know that Sasuke is there a tool. But a tool for what? I keep seeing everyone going around him... but why?

Who are "them" the persons to which Sasuke is heading.
Who would Madara trust so much rather than his own brother.
How long did he survive? At least i established that the fight with Onoiki was while Hashirama was still alive, he was a kage. So a timeline problem in minus.

But what happened to Madara between these over 80 years ago and the time he died for real? I think Madara's connection to Orochimaru is bigger than I thought at the beginning. Because Orochimaru in season 1 of Naruto came right after him, precise target.

As well, Madara trusting Orochimaru when his after the Uchiha body? This doesn't match either.

God, so many questions.
I started reading the manga to find some answers, and actually brought me more questions than answers...

In that same exchange with Sasuke he admits to helping wipe out the Uchiha clan and makes no effort to hide the fact he has a grudge. So it wasn't fear that Sasuke would hold him responsible. Konoha was already mistreating the Uchiha and if Sasuke is an Avenger motives wouldn't mean much anyway. There is something else Tobi wanted to hide.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.

Omg listen! Idk ho much times i have to explain this. Obito was 13 when he got hit by the boulder, check the wiki if you don't believe me, and in the wiki it also says Kakashi is 30 and in the manga it says the nine tails attacked the village 16 years ago, and 30-16=14, so that means Kakashi was 14 when the fox attacked. And Obito is the same age as Kakashi, so that means Obito was 14 when he fought minato and attacked the village. Which is one year after the boulder fell on Obito, so if it was Obito who fought minato, he was 14 so stfu.

 

[Trollasaur]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

The weirdest thing about the kyubi incident is that kurama actually recognizes tobi. And if he is 14 years old back then, then it is pretty surprising if they have met before.

The Zetsu in him..

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Kishimoto screwed up the timeline in the last chapter, so im sure he will do it again to explain the BS that is Tobi's identity, that or a retcon.

 

[UchihaKiller]

Does anyone see Matrix connection and started to doubt Tsukuyomi is already on?!!... I mean, there's some one who created everything (Architect, SO6P perhaps that's who Orochimaru and Sasuke went after to ask questions), one who tells future (Oracle, Toad sages), search for The One (One, Child of Prophecy), Imanagi (or some agi s***) is infinite loop, Jiraiya is Marpheus whose purpose was to find the one who'll bring salvation. And best of all, anything can happen in Matrix so it does in Narutoverse... LOL

 

[Bloodytaste]

There was a clue actually early on when Itachi warned Naruto that he could end up like Tobi.

I think that Obito is meant to be a Dark Naruto kind of character. This is what Naruto could become.

They both have the power to change people. They both had the same kind of personality when they were kids.

I think that when we learn how he was corrupted we are going to see even more parrelles with Naruto's past.

this is one of my top reasons why i thought tobi is obito from the beginning with. And he will be...not some split soul theory which is just to outrageous.


Sasuke is going to meet his Parants thats it~ This Dna in the scrolls maybe edo tenseis from all Uchiha died on the massacre.


I won't believe any split soul theory after i saw this flashback of obito. If it is someone inside of him i will ragequit xD Just does not make any sense to put someone like izuna into Obito while madara could find a so much better host~

 

[Chatte]

In that same exchange with Sasuke he admits to helping wipe out the Uchiha clan and makes no effort to hide the fact he has a grudge. So it wasn't fear that Sasuke would hold him responsible. Konoha was already mistreating the Uchiha and if Sasuke is an Avenger motives wouldn't mean much anyway. There is something else Tobi wanted to hide.

But what? And why hide that particular event?
God, I think I should stop searchin for these type of answers until the next chapter, lol.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Suddenly a lot of onlookers. I don't want to spoil it for you. Just remember to question the motive behind everything. Underneath everything that is presented.

 

[Trollasaur]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Yeah Kishi never said Kakashi was 30, it was all people's assumptions. He looks more like 35 to me.

I remember his age being shown on naruto.com but that isn't from kishimotto himself

 

[Trollasaur]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Exactly. Kakashi was 14 during the Nine-Tails' attack according to the databooks written by Kishimoto himself. Of course, that doesn't mean much anymore, since Kishi threw them out with this newest chapter. Kakashi's age when he was promoted to Chuunin is the most prominent discrepancy, but there are also several people in Kakashi/Rin/Obito's class who are, according to databook, either years older or years younger. Namely, Namiashi Raido (Who is 5 Years older than Kakashi), Gekko Hayate (Who was 4 years younger), and Yamashiro Aoba (Who was 4 years older).

So while the official timeline established by the databooks does indicate that Obito would have only been 14 at the time, given that Kishi has thrown it out the window with 599 it's almost irrelevant.

I remember seeing a few older people in the team battles.

 

[jiggs0032]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

someone not jumping to conclusions and not trolling +rep

 

[KobayashiShane]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I'm not taking anything away from your post dude; I appreciate that you put this up. My only disagreement is the timeline part. The Kyuubi attack on the village happened 16 years ago obviously. Kakashi in the manga is currently 30 years old. Obito and kakashi are the same age, and Obito died at the age of 13. So if the attack on Konoha occured 16 years ago, kakashi would have been 14 at the time. That would make Obito 14 as well, but he was "dead" at the age of 13. But kishi will most likely make a back story to refute this

 

[Arcaneos510X]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

well duh if you look at kakashi and guys age at the attack kakashi was already in the ANBU at that time....

 

[saw2097]

Considering the amount of info that Kishi will have to explain I wouldn't be surprised if we only get it a little at a time. I have a feeling we have many many flashbacks in the future that involve Obito. And we may have to wait a while before we get the whole story.

 

[MWQ]

also a member from his team taunts him for being an idiot and powerless incredible resemblance !!!

First of all,welcome to Narutobase, And my friend,who are you saying this to? cuz i mentioned similar things about naruto and obito,in my previous posts on this thread!

 

[thelastshinobi]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.

gReat points but all this could be explained by tobi obito to be able to travel through time... Maybe he went back in time to talk to madara and madara gave him the idea so he started akatsuki using a rinnegan user traveled to the future to collect more info and was behind the scenes manipulating everything