Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some
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Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito
They were 16. U don't have a link to the page wfere the Guy proved it, but think about it this way: there is no way minato was homage for like half a year. They wouldn't even have time to put his face on the wall (ignoring the mistake in the last chapter). And that's if were hokage that early. Plus kakashi doesn't look 1 year older than he was in kakashi gaiden. And then even with their age being only 16, I have proven obito's age and therefore tobi's age after requiring ms to be irrelevant. I prove that kamui bends time here
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so I predict obito at the time he fights minato could even be in his 20's. Just read the post it makes 100% sense.Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito
It is very easy to say that Tobi, as he has a history of doing, lied about this, when he was acting like madara. The real madara, with some help probably, was likely to have done this act.
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
Not that I disagree with you or anything (in fact, I don't give theories, I just wait) but how would you explain this...
How did Obito know so much about the Juubi, SO6P, Rinnegan etc.? The youngsters of that time believed SO6P was a myth.
Not that I disagree with you or anything (in fact, I don't give theories, I just wait) but how would you explain this...
How did Obito know so much about the Juubi, SO6P, Rinnegan etc.? The youngsters of that time believed SO6P was a myth.
Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito
Obito was alive when Yagura was being controlled because Kisame is like 10 years younger than Obito and he was almost grown up by then (When he met Tobi. I don't know for how long he had been controlling him)
And Obito would be 14, +1/-1~ years when he attacked Konoha..
Obito was alive when Yagura was being controlled because Kisame is like 10 years younger than Obito and he was almost grown up by then (When he met Tobi. I don't know for how long he had been controlling him)
And Obito would be 14, +1/-1~ years when he attacked Konoha..
Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito
I only explained those particular set of grammar use in order for other ones to understand things around.
Thanks. I wasn't reffering to myself. I was reffering to Kishi on why he would use that.Nice one Chatte..
But it's not about how good you manipulate the English medium or how perfect your grammar is when making a sentences, essays, reports, statement. Its all about expressing your opinion directly and can easily be understood by other readers in NB.
I only explained those particular set of grammar use in order for other ones to understand things around.
Did you even read what I stated up there? No. If you would've had, you would've known my opinion in connection to further chapters.
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
yes. it was helpful but some of it doesn't work. for example the age issue which also creates some conflict with the overall timeline. Obito attacked Konoha when he was 14, was Madara alive all that time? who set the foundations for akatsuki? Madara and then Obito continued on his behalf....:shrug:
Phoenix Wright
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I don't believe Kishi will EVEN fix the gaps now himself XD.
WAIT GUYS. I HAVE AN IDEA.
OMFG LOOK WHAT I THOUGHT OF
TOBI IS OBITO FROM THE FUTURE.(Or Another universe where somebody [Zetsu most supposedly] saved him from of the rocks) THIS WOULD EXPLAIN EVERYTHING. THERE ARE NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS AGAINST THAT!!!!!!
IM STAYING BY THIS THEORY UNTIL IT'S GET REVEALED. NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS AGAISNT THIS!!!.
WAIT GUYS. I HAVE AN IDEA.
OMFG LOOK WHAT I THOUGHT OF
TOBI IS OBITO FROM THE FUTURE.(Or Another universe where somebody [Zetsu most supposedly] saved him from of the rocks) THIS WOULD EXPLAIN EVERYTHING. THERE ARE NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS AGAINST THAT!!!!!!
IM STAYING BY THIS THEORY UNTIL IT'S GET REVEALED. NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS AGAISNT THIS!!!.
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Sentinelsgalore
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We are not creating these theories because we don't want it to be Obito, we just want it to make sense. Therefore, we are making predictions and theories to make up for the fact Tobi can be Obito. I'm going to address the plotholes and the answers to these plotholes that have been given on the forum.
1. I'm sorry but nobody can justify Obito's change of heart with his views towards the Ninja world. When he died he seemed completely at piece with his sacrifice. He didn't like the idea of a Shinobi who abandoned their teammates but kakashi didn't abandon Obito. Obviously Obito survived the boulder because of his age, but nobody knows how. I find it hard to believe that Obito activated his Mangekyou at that time. I believe somebody must have helped Obito escape, but i don't know who. Some people suggest Madara and Izuna but how would they still be alive in the first place. Zetsu seems the most practical but there is a plothole for this theory as well.
2. If Zetsu is the one who helped Obito escape the boulder, did Zetsu also repair Obito by giving him Harishima's cells. Everyone has noticed the white goo pouring from Obito's arm. The plothole is that if this is the case, and Tobi did reconstruct Obito in some way why did Tobi do his 'good boy' disguise around Zetsu. The first ever appearnce of Tobi was his good boy persona when he collected Sasori's ring. He was only with Zetsu at the time so why put on the disguise if Zetsu already knows who you are.
3. Tobi has the most knowledge of anyone in the manga. He knows about the history of the SO6P, the uchiha, the senhu, Madara, izuna and Itachi. Obito was not alive at this time so poeple are saying Madara must have passed on the information to Obito, but Madara would not be alive at the time.
4. People saying there are two Tobi's because the time lines don't fit and there are inconsistencies with Tobi's character. Occarding to Obito himself, his first attack against the leaf after his defeat against the first was at Naruto's birth. The Tobi that fought Minato has to be Obito because he has has hair and also has the kamaui technique. However after this, Tobi also said he helped Itachi during the uchiha clan massacre and controlled the Yagura. However, in the flash back Tobi looks allot like Madara rather than Obito. My question is if it is Madara how is he alive and why is he wearing a mask. This Two Tobi theories are very reliant on hair, but think what other character has changed their hair in the series, nobody has! This Whole two Tobi theory can be dismissed though because when Kisame saw long haired and short haired Tobi he thought they were the same person so maybe Obito just grew his hair lol. In relation to tobi's eyes people wont to know why he had two sharingans when he faced Konan and how he activated his sharingan? Well we know Tobi has a lab of sharingans but we dont know how, I though Danzo had all the sharingans from the massacre. I also guess we will find out how Obito gained his magekyou in the next few chapters.
5. Obito could not have given Nagato the rinnegan because he should have even been alive. This further supports Madara as the second Tobi, but again how would Madara have still been alive.
6. Just because tobi revealed himself to be Obito people seem to forget some vital information in the previous chapter. In 598 kakashi asked where Tobi got his sharingan. Tobi said he obtained it at the kannabi bridge. If it was Obito why would he say he obtained it? It would be his own sharingan! This supports the two Tobi theory and supports somebody controlling Obito's body.
What do you guys think of these plotholes? do you think Kishi will be able to adress them all? I think the mystery of Madara will help explain the mystery of Obito, somehow lol.
1. I'm sorry but nobody can justify Obito's change of heart with his views towards the Ninja world. When he died he seemed completely at piece with his sacrifice. He didn't like the idea of a Shinobi who abandoned their teammates but kakashi didn't abandon Obito. Obviously Obito survived the boulder because of his age, but nobody knows how. I find it hard to believe that Obito activated his Mangekyou at that time. I believe somebody must have helped Obito escape, but i don't know who. Some people suggest Madara and Izuna but how would they still be alive in the first place. Zetsu seems the most practical but there is a plothole for this theory as well.
2. If Zetsu is the one who helped Obito escape the boulder, did Zetsu also repair Obito by giving him Harishima's cells. Everyone has noticed the white goo pouring from Obito's arm. The plothole is that if this is the case, and Tobi did reconstruct Obito in some way why did Tobi do his 'good boy' disguise around Zetsu. The first ever appearnce of Tobi was his good boy persona when he collected Sasori's ring. He was only with Zetsu at the time so why put on the disguise if Zetsu already knows who you are.
3. Tobi has the most knowledge of anyone in the manga. He knows about the history of the SO6P, the uchiha, the senhu, Madara, izuna and Itachi. Obito was not alive at this time so poeple are saying Madara must have passed on the information to Obito, but Madara would not be alive at the time.
4. People saying there are two Tobi's because the time lines don't fit and there are inconsistencies with Tobi's character. Occarding to Obito himself, his first attack against the leaf after his defeat against the first was at Naruto's birth. The Tobi that fought Minato has to be Obito because he has has hair and also has the kamaui technique. However after this, Tobi also said he helped Itachi during the uchiha clan massacre and controlled the Yagura. However, in the flash back Tobi looks allot like Madara rather than Obito. My question is if it is Madara how is he alive and why is he wearing a mask. This Two Tobi theories are very reliant on hair, but think what other character has changed their hair in the series, nobody has! This Whole two Tobi theory can be dismissed though because when Kisame saw long haired and short haired Tobi he thought they were the same person so maybe Obito just grew his hair lol. In relation to tobi's eyes people wont to know why he had two sharingans when he faced Konan and how he activated his sharingan? Well we know Tobi has a lab of sharingans but we dont know how, I though Danzo had all the sharingans from the massacre. I also guess we will find out how Obito gained his magekyou in the next few chapters.
5. Obito could not have given Nagato the rinnegan because he should have even been alive. This further supports Madara as the second Tobi, but again how would Madara have still been alive.
6. Just because tobi revealed himself to be Obito people seem to forget some vital information in the previous chapter. In 598 kakashi asked where Tobi got his sharingan. Tobi said he obtained it at the kannabi bridge. If it was Obito why would he say he obtained it? It would be his own sharingan! This supports the two Tobi theory and supports somebody controlling Obito's body.
What do you guys think of these plotholes? do you think Kishi will be able to adress them all? I think the mystery of Madara will help explain the mystery of Obito, somehow lol.
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
Obito will just waltz right in and carry on with Madara's master plan? Oh Please
Or are you telling me that Madara hand picked Obito out of all the other Uchiha and decided to let him in on his plan?
Where was Madara? Was he even alive and around to even do this? Or wait lemme guess it was Zetsu who told Obito everything?
Like I said, it makes no sense
Of course I have! Don't ask me silly things, that last part doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Everything Madara knows, Zetsu knows, Obito will know??
Obito will just waltz right in and carry on with Madara's master plan? Oh Please
Or are you telling me that Madara hand picked Obito out of all the other Uchiha and decided to let him in on his plan?
Where was Madara? Was he even alive and around to even do this? Or wait lemme guess it was Zetsu who told Obito everything?
Like I said, it makes no sense
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Gilgameshy
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
What do they even teach the kids in ninja academy's tbh :shrug: You'd think they would have Konoha History as a subject.
Edit: +rep :3
What do they even teach the kids in ninja academy's tbh :shrug: You'd think they would have Konoha History as a subject.
Edit: +rep :3
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
guys!you should stop wasting energy arguing over unanswered questions! let's just wait for proper explanation from the man himself! you guys are talking as if he woke up with this obito idea the morning of submitting this issue to shonen jump! he's got theories bout that for sure! so just sit tight and relax,the best is yet to come!man can't wait for next week's issue!!he's gonna cause a riot if he switches to sasuke's plot...
guys!you should stop wasting energy arguing over unanswered questions! let's just wait for proper explanation from the man himself! you guys are talking as if he woke up with this obito idea the morning of submitting this issue to shonen jump! he's got theories bout that for sure! so just sit tight and relax,the best is yet to come!man can't wait for next week's issue!!he's gonna cause a riot if he switches to sasuke's plot...
Why are people getting so butthurt because of this??
This is Kishi's anima/manga. So he can do whatever the hell he wants to do with it. Everything in it is not going to go your way. And if your unsatisfied with a chapter, scene, history, flashback, or whatever it may be. You people have to accept it (not referring to everyone), because sulking over it, isn't going to change anything.
No wonder NB is starting to obtain more and more bad trolls, it must be because more and more immature kids are joining this entire forum lately. :sy:
This is Kishi's anima/manga. So he can do whatever the hell he wants to do with it. Everything in it is not going to go your way. And if your unsatisfied with a chapter, scene, history, flashback, or whatever it may be. You people have to accept it (not referring to everyone), because sulking over it, isn't going to change anything.
No wonder NB is starting to obtain more and more bad trolls, it must be because more and more immature kids are joining this entire forum lately. :sy:
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
Op: Obviously you don't know Obito and Kakashi are the same age? Since Naruto is 16 and the kyuubi attack happened when Naruto was born, how ****ing hard is it to figure out Obito's age with Kakashi being 30?
When Obito fought Minato, Minato didn't own him hard. You're wrong there. Minato recognized him as a serious threat and even likened him to Madara himself. He said what Obito did, a 14 year old who only a year earlier was a loser in combat, could only be compared to the strongest Uchiha during his time - present time.
How did Obito know Madara? Why haven't anybody explained this yet? Kishi says Madara knows Tobi and the manga says Madara died before Obito was born. Wtf is up with that?
We know that Kisame recognized Tobi as the one who controlled Yagura.
Op: Obviously you don't know Obito and Kakashi are the same age? Since Naruto is 16 and the kyuubi attack happened when Naruto was born, how ****ing hard is it to figure out Obito's age with Kakashi being 30?
When Obito fought Minato, Minato didn't own him hard. You're wrong there. Minato recognized him as a serious threat and even likened him to Madara himself. He said what Obito did, a 14 year old who only a year earlier was a loser in combat, could only be compared to the strongest Uchiha during his time - present time.
How did Obito know Madara? Why haven't anybody explained this yet? Kishi says Madara knows Tobi and the manga says Madara died before Obito was born. Wtf is up with that?
We know that Kisame recognized Tobi as the one who controlled Yagura.
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Well for the first thing remember that Tobi had 2 personalities !
- one that was goofy ( when he was with Deidara )
- one that was serious ! ( after he reveald himslef to Kisame )
Also Tobi keeps body parts in case that he is getting hit !
His body has zetsu goo and its not a normal body !
In the Databook we have something very important
(うちはイズナ, Uchiha Izuna)
Birthdate February 10
Gender Male
Age Deceased
Height 174.8 cm
Weight 55.9 kg
(うちはオビト, Uchiha Obito)
Birthdate February 10
Gender Male
Age 13 (Deceased)
Height 154.2cm
Weight 44.5kg
- Both Izuna and Obito are from the uchiha clan !
- Both Izuna and Obito lost their eyes !
- Both Izuna and Obito are born in the same day of the same month
Conclusion: Obito was the perfect host for Izuna Uchiha !
Izuna soul and consciousness in Obito body !
- one that was goofy ( when he was with Deidara )
- one that was serious ! ( after he reveald himslef to Kisame )
Also Tobi keeps body parts in case that he is getting hit !
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His body has zetsu goo and its not a normal body !
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In the Databook we have something very important
(うちはイズナ, Uchiha Izuna)
Birthdate February 10
Gender Male
Age Deceased
Height 174.8 cm
Weight 55.9 kg
(うちはオビト, Uchiha Obito)
Birthdate February 10
Gender Male
Age 13 (Deceased)
Height 154.2cm
Weight 44.5kg
- Both Izuna and Obito are from the uchiha clan !
- Both Izuna and Obito lost their eyes !
- Both Izuna and Obito are born in the same day of the same month
Conclusion: Obito was the perfect host for Izuna Uchiha !
Izuna soul and consciousness in Obito body !
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