Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[saaaaaadpanda]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

I want to explain more, but I think this is sufficient.

Please don't. The wall's already long enough.

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[fati]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

tl dr

 

[SQY]

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Please don't. The wall's already long enough.

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[Bijuu Kage]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

I wasnt in a reading mood Im getting tired of hearing obito and tobi threads sigh

 

[Akash1997]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

Good Thread

 

[Negative Knight]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

Its sad that the only comments you got were about how much you wrote.

I honestly read the whole thing and it was a interesting read and pretty impressive +rep

However if the consciousness is split, wouldn't Obito's own personality have to come through at random intervals rather than a calm and clear demeanor always prevailing ?

Not to mention why does he lack fond memories of Kakashi even though the last thing he did was become best friends with him ?

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

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[Aze]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

tl dr

Too short in my opinion.


Dont diss people because their threads seem long.


Just enjoy wat he reads and be patient.


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[Armathyx]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

As requested,

I read this to get out of the tobi is not obito "delusion" and face my denial, but it didnt help...at least not with your theory.

Don't worry you'll get content tomorrow.

I agree with you. I dont know why this is a huge deal...the specific age number. When you say Konoha attack, are you referring to the kyuubi attack?

We know kakashi, gai, and kurenai (among others - i dont remember all who were there) were asked to stay back by kurenai's father. My guess is that they were still in their mid-late teens (15-17).

Regardless, they (konoha ninja) were still too young to fight, and obito was about the same age as them. He was at least kakashi's age. That is what most obito theorists probably state. Thats why it isnt a timeline plot hole.

Obito might as well be a few years older, since Kakashi had many years in advance due to being talented and they were still in the same team.

Tobi challenged the 4th to a very high degree. We didnt even know there was a Level 2 for yellow flash until then. Also you rephrased the quote (if it was an actual quote) by saying obito defeated minato. He didnt defeat minato - we both agree there, but he gave minato a run for his money.

Thing is, it's not just about Tobi being strong or not. His Kamui, no matter how talented Obito actually is, is really difficult to deal with. Right now, Naruto and the others together are way stronger than Obito alone, but he still manages to fight them because his jutsu is just that handy.

Naruto has the kyuubi, lol. Thats why he was allowed to cheat. What does tobi have...just his super sharingan? Even naruto wasnt able to summon the boss-frog (forgot his name) many times. He did it about two times that i can recall - the first when jiraiya pushed naruto off the cliff and the second during the naruto vs gaara/shukaku fight. So, to be able to summon the fox itself wouldve taken a lot more chakra, espcially if the fox (kyuubi) is supposed to be the strongest of the 9 bijju.

But if Zetsu repaired him then he has Hashirama DNA which gives him a big advantage in chakra.

Btw, when was the first time we saw Sasuke summon? We can compare obito to sasuke, that is to say obito was probably the same age as sasuke (during the oro invasion) or just a bit older than him (when the kyuubi attacked). What was sasuke able to do at that point? make 2-3 chidoris? Pretty sure that amount of chakra isnt able to summon the kyuubi - or even control it for that matter.

You're comparing 13 year old to 16-22 year old Obito, though.

As you stated not enough info to dispute this one way or another. I highly doubt blackmail wouldve been the case, but its also possible shusui had a brother with similar abilities...and tobi's left sharingan had similar abilities? of course thats out there.

My theory is that he was manipulated through some genjutsu by tobi.

I don't understand either how could Tobi manipulate the Mizukage. Not even Madara should have been able to perform that, the manga clearly states that Shisui is the only ninja capable of such a genjutsu due to his mangekyo sharingan. It's true Madara is way stronger, but it just doesn't seem to be the type of ability Madara uses.

ok...so madara went to search for an uzumaki before he died? maybe zetsu gave him the eye. but yeah, we agree again obito couldnt have.

Well, Nagato was easy to manipulate and could make good use of the Rinnegan after all. And Madara hates specifically the senju, never said anything against the Uzumaki.

Your theory on zetsu is plausible, and definitely a possiblity. However, this kinda cancels out all the other theories (above) where tobi is obito. Why? You are pretty much saying zetsu revived obito, brainwashed and trained obito to become evil and master his sharingan in a short time. Although its possible, its not a very good theory.

I don't understand, how exactly does it cancel them?

Obito wouldnt turn evil, mainly because he had a good enough background (from gaiden). All those you mentioned had some sort of back story to turn evil. From kakshi's gaiden, we know he was a good person - before his death. From the flashback, we see his love for rin, but is that the reason he turned evil? He gave up his eye, rose from the grave, just to have his justice for rins death and uchiha's injustice - both of which happened well after his (obito's) death.

I'd be angry if I were Obito.

He was a kind and hard working ninja, suitable for a future Hokage, yet he got looked down by his clan, by his team mates, friendzoned by the girl he loved, the guy was like a Naruto who never got other people to recognize him. At the end he died honorably, even giving his eye to his biggest rival so he could save rin, and what happens? Nobody cares about his death besides Minato, Kakashi and Rin. A hero left to rot under some rocks. And then Rin somehow dies.

He wanted revenge on Konoha and on the Uchiha for being treated like shit. And because of Rin's death, he also wished to create a world where war does not exist. This, is the Obito we know today.

Naruto had many people train him and even help him. I cant begin to list them all, but here are a few i remember: jiraiya (before death ofc), old frog, kakashi/asuma (taught wind technique), bee/octopus, and even his parents - helped him.

who would have taught obito at the time of his training (after his death)? the zetsu clone only (your theory)? Even sasuke had to go through a lot of trouble to gain his MS.

Well, that's kind of true, the big mystery indeed is how the hell did Obito get so strong...

Off topic...do you think sasuke is overpowered? The way you said naruto was, it kinda made me feel you dont like naruto (the character).

Already answered the first, I don't think Sasuke is overpowered right now. He's fine as he is, still needs help to defeat the strongest enemies, which is good because some team play helps fix his personality a little.

OK. not much to argue here (i believe you), but what the hell... so obito sat there and watched the lecture videos from madara (recorded by zetsu ofc) before he died. then turned evil. then planned to take over the world.

Pretty much yeah. Got a better idea?

 

[Naruto6Axis]

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[Chachee]

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[cnmeje]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

i think we should all wait for chapter 600

 

[Koha]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

OFC HE DOENS'T HAVE WHITE SKIN HE HIS A CLONE OF OBITO!!
DID OBITO HAVE WHITE PALE WHITE SKIN?!?!? IF HE IS A CLONE HE WILL BE JUST LIKE THE CLONED PERSON!!
now as I said just shut up or just say something worth reading!

Even Zetsu clones can't copy Kekkai Genkai.
Appearance & chakra yes.
Bloodline limit abilities, no.

 

[thegame]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

Here we go again...........

 

[BlackMuffin]

Re: Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

Tobito theories have been overdone, but you deserve constructive responses for your effort, regardless.

I somewhat agree that there must be a split personality or consciousness going on, given Tobi's "silly" side, and the attacks made towards Kakashi/Gai were just too personal.

However if the consciousness is split, wouldn't Obito's own personality have to come through at random intervals rather than a calm and clear demeanor always prevailing ?

brings up a good point, though.

I personally don't think Zetsu is Izuna...and it's been shown Tobi is made out of the same substance as Zetsu so he is definitely connected, I wouldn't be surprised if he basically controlled the "Obito side" (given it ISN'T 100% Obito mind and soul to begin with).

 

[Koha]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Lol to the guy who said that Tobi/Obito is a Zetsu. Yeah... Zetsu is the big bad of the series XD. Get it through your head... TOBI IS OBITO. Let me say it again... TOBI IS OBITO. T-O-B-I is O-B-I-T-O! He is not a Zetsu, he is not a clone, he is not Madara, etc. He is Obito. Why would Kishimoto dedicate that entire chapter to Obito if it wasn't really him? Why wouldn't it be Obito? Kakashi's past is still a total mystery, is it not? We don't know much about Obito, Rin, or how Kakashi dealt with their passing (even though Obito is back).

People also said that Tobi could have been Izuna. What's the point? Would he have a motive? Sure. But since Madara is back, he could shed light about his own past when he reappears.

This will mean that two of the biggest mysteries will finally be solved:
1. Kakashi's past (mostly his team)
2. Madara will most likely shed light on his own past to unravel this mystery about the death of Izuna (people say that Madara took his eyes by force, others say that Izuna willingly gave his eyes to Madara and died later on in battle).

In other words, I'll say it again, Tobi is Obito. How did he survive? We don't know. Why didn't he return to the village? We don't know. Does he REALLY have Zetsu parts added to his body or is some other substance? We don't know.

All we can do is assume. All we can do is hope the Kishi will NOT change to the Kage battle or Sasuke tomorrow after giving us a glimpse of Obito. Like I said... there are not plotholes. Kishi created a great manga, awesome characters, and an awesome plot. I am 100% certain he kept the timeline this in mind when making Tobito. He is a writer. Writers usually have their characters planned out in advance, they know how the story will begin and end. In short, Kishi ALWAYS knew who Tobi was.

Again... if you guys want to believe he is a Zetsu, or Madara, or Izuna, or Vegeta XD... go ahead and make your theories. Just stop getting angry when people try to show you your theory is wrong. They are theories... all theories are wrong until proven correct by the author (Kishi).

Enough of this... let's just wait till tomorrow as see what happens.

PS -- Almost forgot to mention. People keep saying that Tobi can't be Obito because Minato didn't sense his student's chakra. Kakashi didn't sense it either. Keep in mind that Chakra can change over time. The nature of Sasuke's chakra has changed. His chakra is now dark and cold (evil/hatred). His chakra was different when he was good. Naruto can also change the nature of his Chakra. He does it often when he mixes it with the fox's. Chakra can change.

They don't plan EVERYTHING ahead.... Almost humanly impossible for anybody to do so, fan pressure can change a lot of things..
Looking at a comparison, just look at DBZ, it wasn't supposed to go any further than the Frieza Saga but look what happened? It continued to go further, look at Gohan's development, he was supposed to be the "planned" main hero of DBZ but look again.. Fan pressure took over and forced Goku to be the main hero again. People can have a VERY huge influence on what you write, & apparently, Kishi fell into fan pressure, big time. I've nothing against Tobi being Obito, my problem lies within the severe timeline disruptions. If it was Izuna it would be more chronologically correct with less questions raised, but having it be Obito leads to more of a story.

Well what I'm saying is the story has VERY apparent plotholes, and if you can't see that, that's your issue.

And about the chakra change.. Yes, the nature of your chakra can change, but the signature of the chakra itself cannot.. You'll sense the change in the chakra of everyone but (sensor ninja mainly) automatically still knows that person's distinct chakra signature and still ties it to that person, no matter how much its nature changes. Naruto's and every other Jinchuuriki is a different case since they hold two different chakra networks. Theirs' and their respective Beasts.

 

[Armathyx]

I said I'd collect all the quotes against Obito for tomorro's I told you thread, but now there's so many content to chose that I don't know where to begin with

 

[SamuraiClownSenju]

Obito/Tobi S/T Jutsu

This is not a "Tobi is Obito" thread. Nor a "How Obito is Tobi" Nor a "How Obito isn't Tobi" thread since we know nothing of what occured yet till perhaps tomorrow.

Just finished reading, & watching Kakashi Gaiden over again.
And also re read the "One Jutsu" chapter.

I made an assessment.

Tobi's Jutsu was revealed to have the use of him being able to shift parts of his body (and entire body for that matter) into a separate dimension.

So lets say when the hidden stone ninja used his "rock crush" jutsu to make the cave collapse and "Kill" Obito. What if his S/T jutsu some how activated on the side he was being crushed? him not being used to it, it being his first time using it didn't know any better.

Of course this leaves the questions of "Why didn't he go back to the leaf?" or things of that nature, just a thought.

 

[10023213]

Re: Obito/Tobi S/T Jutsu

your saying obito can still be alive because he used s/t which means you are probably leaning towards a tobi is obito thread
2 many tobi and obito threads

 

[Sasuke..]

Re: Obito/Tobi S/T Jutsu

Nah 2 tomoe sharingan can't do that and even if he phased through the rocks moments later 20 more rocks fell on him kakashi and rin were escaping so weither or not he used that s/t jutsu he would be crushed either way when so...