Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

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  • I knew it was Obito/ I win you lose/ apologise now

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  • It is NOT over yet

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  • It is only part Obito. (Both of us were right)

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1st theory:Orchimaru found obitos' body,,,,,used zetsu to fix half part of the body for his rebirth ritual,,Madara saved him, COULD BE,,

2nd theory:Zetsu helped Obito while crushed under the pile of rocks,,Zetsu and Obito friends,Obito gets to know about Rin,,gets to know about village,,wants revenge,,trains under Madara,,,,Meets danzou,strikes a deal, who tells him the inside out of village and crosses the barrier without being detected,,,than 4th hokage fight,,,tries to destroy village with 9 tails,,fails to capture,,decides tsukymi plan after fight,,,is better way,,,
 
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Thanks man. It wasn't until the last chapter that I felt confident that the inconsistencies themselves were also a reveal. Jiraiya: "Oh yeah! I forgot I'm Naruto's Godfather." You get the idea.
Indeed, even the inconsistencies present evidence of things more elaborate then a simple "plot hole, art error, etc, you get the point". While I agree people, even authors make mistakes, however at such a crucial point in the story? I find that highly unlikely, Kisi has proven time and time again that there was a point, and a reason for what the audience perceived as simply Kisi dropping the ball! back to loop topic, I also enjoyed how Kisi, through Itachi, opened the door for the loop to be possible, granted on a more complex scale! I think I stayed on point! been awhile since we dicussed time loop and paradoxes, might be alittle out of the loop atm!


Something came to mind: it would seem, from my limited undertanding of the laws of time-looping while following the laws physics, that one of the fundamentals aspects of the looping process could revolve around the simple action of "choice"!


or... perhaps an anomaly in a otherwise harmonic mathmatical beauty creating an unbalance in the equation and thus requiring drastic efforts to correct the equation resulting in fluctuations (loops).... hmmm
 
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Lmao, he says obito did not give the rennigan to nagato, go back and read son, tobi said it from his own mouth to konnan, he said, he was taking back what was his, since he was the one who gave the rennigan to nagato. So what are you saying exactly?? that the person under the mask then was madara?? Next, ninjas enter the academy at around the same age and end up going up in the academy around the same age, it was pretty clear that kakashi and obito were around the same age, and when tobi attacked with kurama, kakashi was still very young, as we read when they "the young ones" were being sent away from the battle field, and that included guy and kakashi, because they were still too young, and in their teens, if they were in their young teens and obito and kakashi were around same age, around how old do you expect obito to be then huh?? Obito manipulating the mizu?? are you freaking nuts?? if obito was even alive then he would have been nothing but a little kid, plus we did see a grown figure in the background with long hair, lets also understand that itachi made it very clear that he met with madara, a figure with long hair, and if u tell me that itachi mistook madara for obito, then u need to stop watching this show. You sound like u just want to believe that obito is the true mastermind here, all fine and well by me. But stop looking at only the arguements that identify obito under the mask and start looking at the ones that don't also. I stick to my conclusion, that someone else was under the mask before, obito went under the mask after that person and most likely obito was found half dead by that person and was recovered using white zetsu. You all should know better than to jump on a bandwagon, just because of seeing one little picture of someone in this show. Learn to wait for all the information to come out before trying to get high and almighty with your own OPINIONS, because most of what you stated there was opinions, NOT FACTS, i just gave you 2 facts about itachi and the mizu, come back with facts. We have been seeing people under genjutsus for years, people's body being stolen, oro doing this, we have seen all kinds of stuff, so don't try to get all mighty on your point that it was obito, just because you saw a face. I'm not saying it isn't what i am saying is let's wait for the explanations from kishi before we go on our i am right it was obito all along tirade. This thread should be named "all potholes about obito cleared up, BY MY OPINIONS" LOL.
 

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Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Hey.

It's like I said in my previous post. Why did "Tobi" show his face to Kisame two times? Because "Tobi" who controlled the mizukage was Madara and Kisame confirmed that, but then "Tobi" showed his face again when both were in Akatsuki and Kisame was shocked and relieved to see that (Obito?) is pulling the strings.

Be Happy!
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Who's to say he didn't know Madara before his "death". A ninjas greatest tool is deception. He could have being training with him long before that, like Itachi. And in that time learned to tell if someone was capable of unlocking the MS (like Itachi knew Sasuke could). Meaning he knew who could unlock MS And gave him this power. And his death was a front so no one would expect him. And would explain why Kakashi is able to use MS because it was already unlocked He just need to learn how to use it. And Kumai the part of his body that was pinned under the rock.
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Just curious why nobody has questioned where Tobi got his second sharingan if he IS Obito. You know, the one he used for izanagi to escape Konan and is the reason he has that one rinnegan. That should have been the one that Kakashi has. Just saying.
 

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Re: tobi/obito theories how he awaken ms

Obito could've unlocked it by killing the one closest to him, or finding out Rin was dead (who knows?) I think Kakashi's MS unlocked many years after Obito's because he isn't as skilled with it as Obito, but that could also be due to him not being an Uchiha.
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Just curious why nobody has questioned where Tobi got his second sharingan if he IS Obito. You know, the one he used for izanagi to escape Konan and is the reason he has that one rinnegan. That should have been the one that Kakashi has. Just saying.
He has a lab full of Sharingan:
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Seems like it's the serie's main theme, just like in Dragonball the crappiest Sayia-jin became the strongest. Naruto was the weakest, dumbest ninja who couldn't even pass the academy and now he's beyond Hokage level in only 3 years.



I used to love Naruto in the very beginning because he was all full of motivation and had his problems to face, now I hate him because he's way too overconfident, spoiled by having too many teachers and friends, and all just "peace and love guys!!!1!1!1". He's not a realistic character at all.
I hate naruto thank u for hating him he is the annoying little prick he improved so fast and he is meant to be equal level to sasuke sasuke is going to get killed by him even though I love sasuke much more realistic then naruto I don't get it naruto should have turned evil at the age 10 cause he had no parents friend cousins people hated him gave him dirty look but he turned out to be good little boy so stupidly fake he had the worst life from all the ninjas yet he turns out to be the best goodie tutu that helps other people to change he helped garra Neji hinata blah blah million others to change now he wants to help sasuke to change I just hope sasuke kills him first. What's so realistic about naruto there's no way someone with his pain can be soooo goodie tutu he is the most unrealistic character in naruto. Does any one hate naruto in NB beside me
 
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Discussing the psyche of Tobi/Obito

Hey guys,


Good afternoon from PA, I want to discuss a tricky subject in the manga that people love and hate at this moment. This is my observation, and my interpretation of the psyche of tobi/obito. Let me know what you guys think, and be free to challenge my theory.

The reason my concern is towards Tobi's psyche is because several times he will make a statement like, "Ive waited too long for Tsuki no me", or "I cant fail." According to Madara Uchiha, this moon eye plan was mutually accepted between him and tobi (Madara never claims to have come up with the plan by himself). Interestingly enough though, Tobi acknowledges knowing kakashi and Gai intimately at some time during his lifetime. For example, when kakashi explained Tobi's ocular techniques and asked him where he got the ocular powers, Tobi retorts by telling kakashi that he shouldn't speak so quickly because he is all words and no actions (probably a reference to kakashis inability to save Rin). So in some way, Tobi is Obito, BUT his consciousness is split somehow. This is what would be called a split consciousness theory, but HOW is it split? That is my question, and here comes my solution.

By now its obvious that tobi is using some Zetsu-related power to heal himself and stay alive. His drive to live is the moons eye plan, which I explained was planned between Madara AND Tobi. One thing to note is that the masked figure, tobi, has been around for some time. If Tobi and Madara have communicated then Tobi has been around before and after madaras death, during the fourths mizukage time, and during the second historical nine tails attack. If this is the case then there is no possible explanation, within naruto logic, to say that Tobi has been Obito this whole time. However, according to last weeks revelation, the man under the mask is OBITO, so narutoverse has a problem historically and logically. UNLESS, the real tobi moves from body to body is a similar fashion as orochimaru. If this is the case, then we can be calm, but it still doesnt explain why Tobi has intimate memories of Obito, and who it might truly be.

So this leads me to think about this in this manner...

When Madara was outcast from the Uchiha clan, one of his apologetics for justifying the continued hatred of Senju clan was that his brother was killed for the cause of overcoming the Senju. By leaving, no one had a clue of what Madara might be planning and what he has done, therefore there are no flashback, but we can assume. Now as far as we know, no one followed Madara therefore he had no SUPPORTERS, especially for any crazy plans like the moons eye plan. So who might have joined his cause? I say no one, but rather he summoned someone who WOULD. Now why would madara only fight hashirama, the wood style user, to gain some DNA from him? What was his plan? And this is where my theory come in. MADARA created ZETSU, BUT ZETSU is NOT TOBI. Why was creating zetsu important at all? My theory is that Tobi is Izuna, Madara's brother. Who else would support Madara's plans when everybody betrayed him? Through his rinnegan, and zetsus power, he could make an immortal being that can take the form and, possibly (its a bit of a stretch) the power of the person!

However, thats not all. For some reason, if im right, not all consciousness is completely driven out. Therefore, lets say tobi decides on a new body, his consciousness takes over for the most part, but deep within some of the persons feelings and experiences remain. This would explain why Obito seemingly became evil, but its because another consciousness has taken over. So obit will remember things like kakashis promise (which I believe the true obito would completely forgive), but its mixed with the feelings of the dream of the moons eye plan, which could possibly bring peace.

I want to explain more, but I think this is sufficient.

Let me know what you think, whether you agree of think im crazy.

I think it was worth the shot.

Thanks, and have a great day! :ice:
 
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