Tobi Just Might Be S06P

[Jonesy161]

To be honest, the idea is great, but I highly doubt it will come true. The reasons I say this are as follow...

-The SO6P created ninjutsu. He may not know how every jutsu works, but he can control any jutsu. Tobi somehow knows Madara personally. Madara knows all about Edo Tensei. If Tobi truly was the SO6P and lived this entire time, that would be 1 jutsu that he would work to obtain since it is a beneficial asset in a war. The fact he knew nothing of how it even worked suggested this Tobi character hasn't been alive longer than Madara.

-Tobi was frightened when he saw Madara in the coffin and knew the only way to take out Kabuto was to find a weakness to Edo Tensei so he wouldn't have to fight Madara. Rikudo-sennin took on the 10-tailed beast, he fought the Juubi and WON. I doubt someone with the power of the Rikudo-sennin would fear Madara.

-The SO6P was also a traveling priest. He devoted his life to travel around the world and teach about ninjutsu as he believed that ninjutsu could be used for good. Even though the world was in shambles and not everyone could even trust Rikudo-sennin, he still took on the Juubi to protect the world. Tobi and Madara stand for everything opposite of what Rikudo-sennin stood for.

-Rikudo-sennin created the tablet of the story of the Juubi. Tobi didn't know what was written on the tablet completely till he gained the Rinnegan. I doubt Rikudo would have forgotten that he fought the Juubi, the 10-tailed beast with an insane amount of power.

-Also, Tobi stated clearly after finding Nagato's body that he finally got his eyes back. That Nagato was the 3RD SO6P, and that he himself was the 2ND. Why would he say that clearly to a dead body. No one was around to listen to him, he could have just said Nagato, you were the 2nd, but I am the 1ST, I am the Rikudo-sennin of legend.

 

[generalfreeplay]

I know how stupid it sounds and to me it sounds stupid.But somebody in a thread made a good point. How would Tobi know so much about weak the tailed beast if he wasn't S06P.They say he can read from the So6P's tablet but they say you can read a lot with MS,then even more with EMS,and all of it with Rinnegan.Tobi doesn't have MS but 3T so how would he know all of this.

Another point is we've NEVER seened S06P's face.All we have seen is him in darkness with his Rinnegan shining.S06P may be possed some how.Who knows, maybe the 10 Tails spirit took over S06P's body after he died and the Rinnegan had left or somebody had took his eyes when he died(One of the brothers), so the 10 Tails needed a Rinnegan so he could revive himself and thats how he somehow met Madara.All I'm saying is Tobi could be the 10 Tails inside of S06P's body and he's trying to revive himself.

Thoughts?

your theory could possibly be the answer to the question many people ask "who is the man behind the mask?" nice theory man

 

[Naruto039]

I know how stupid it sounds and to me it sounds stupid.But somebody in a thread made a good point. How would Tobi know so much about weak the tailed beast if he wasn't S06P.They say he can read from the So6P's tablet but they say you can read a lot with MS,then even more with EMS,and all of it with Rinnegan.Tobi doesn't have MS but 3T so how would he know all of this.

Another point is we've NEVER seened S06P's face.All we have seen is him in darkness with his Rinnegan shining.S06P may be possed some how.Who knows, maybe the 10 Tails spirit took over S06P's body after he died and the Rinnegan had left or somebody had took his eyes when he died(One of the brothers), so the 10 Tails needed a Rinnegan so he could revive himself and thats how he somehow met Madara.All I'm saying is Tobi could be the 10 Tails inside of S06P's body and he's trying to revive himself.

Thoughts?

nice theory....hope its true
....+ rep

 

[Baka Sennin]

tobi clearly stated that he is the 2nd so6p, plus he has taken senju dna, so he definitely isn't the so6p. the elder son, maybe, although i'm now thinking that he's really just a clone of some sort.

 

[AJV453]

Hey guys, I just made an account to throw in my two cents considering ive been rather interested on the subject. The sage of six paths theory is certainly interesting, but I see a few flaws in it. For one, why would it be necessary to always have the sage's face blacked out AND have Tobi constantly wear a mask? The fact that he's wearing a mask is to hide something from the viewer, which suggests that removing the mask will reveal something about Tobi. This is especially supported by the newest chapter when Tobi tells Naruto he's going to have to fight to see what was under his mask. However, the most compelling evidence against it was what people already brought up about Tobi mentioning he's the second sage, not the first. I think this points toward him being Izuna. Think about it, Madara recently revealed that the next step after the completed sharingan was the rinnegan. If this is true, then it would make since that his brother also had the ability to reach that level. Tobi being Izuna would also account for how he was able to pose as Madara, all of his knowledge of Madara's history and how he came to have a relationship with Madara in the first place. The biggest problem with this theory is how Izuna has been described as a pretty noble guy, and that doesn't quite fit the description of Tobi...but then again, Tobi was the one telling those stories... If hes not Izuna though, I don't really see what other direction his character could be taken, and in that case I think he would just be his own character.

 

[raynnil]

i don't think so.

 

[JojocIaw]

To be honest, the idea is great, but I highly doubt it will come true. The reasons I say this are as follow...

-The SO6P created ninjutsu. He may not know how every jutsu works, but he can control any jutsu. Tobi somehow knows Madara personally. Madara knows all about Edo Tensei. If Tobi truly was the SO6P and lived this entire time, that would be 1 jutsu that he would work to obtain since it is a beneficial asset in a war. The fact he knew nothing of how it even worked suggested this Tobi character hasn't been alive longer than Madara.

-Tobi was frightened when he saw Madara in the coffin and knew the only way to take out Kabuto was to find a weakness to Edo Tensei so he wouldn't have to fight Madara. Rikudo-sennin took on the 10-tailed beast, he fought the Juubi and WON. I doubt someone with the power of the Rikudo-sennin would fear Madara.

-The SO6P was also a traveling priest. He devoted his life to travel around the world and teach about ninjutsu as he believed that ninjutsu could be used for good. Even though the world was in shambles and not everyone could even trust Rikudo-sennin, he still took on the Juubi to protect the world. Tobi and Madara stand for everything opposite of what Rikudo-sennin stood for.

-Rikudo-sennin created the tablet of the story of the Juubi. Tobi didn't know what was written on the tablet completely till he gained the Rinnegan. I doubt Rikudo would have forgotten that he fought the Juubi, the 10-tailed beast with an insane amount of power.

-Also, Tobi stated clearly after finding Nagato's body that he finally got his eyes back. That Nagato was the 3RD SO6P, and that he himself was the 2ND. Why would he say that clearly to a dead body. No one was around to listen to him, he could have just said Nagato, you were the 2nd, but I am the 1ST, I am the Rikudo-sennin of legend.

+Rep for all that. It made more sense than just believing that Tobi is just the SO6P.

The Rinnegan...

The holder of these eyes can completely master all five basic nature transformations that form the basis of ninjutsu.

I don't think he can use the other abilities that require a kekkei genkai. So I don't think he knows every jutsu under the sun. I think he was just able to use the five basic elements such as fire, water, wind, earth, and lightning.

I agree with someone else who posted on here and mentioned Tobi is a subordinate of Madara. Anyone with patience and time can learn things most people do not. If Tobi wanted information on something I am sure he could find out if he was diligent enough. But stuff like that requires time and more than just mere petty strategical knowledge. But since he knows Madara on a 1 on 1 basis (at least in theory) he must have had time to learn what he needed and created a plan based on that. But he had to work in conjunction with Madara's original plan.

But we all well know Nagato ruined that for him and he had to take measures into his own hands.

Several things puzzle me though....

Why did Tobi attack the Nine Tails first back when Minato was Hokage? Why didn't he acquire the other tailed beasts first then the kyuubi?

Sure you could surmise that the 9-Tails is stronger and that he could overtake the rest with the Kyuubi but still....strength in numbers. :/

Anyways, I highly believe it is more likely for Tobi to be the Elder son than the SO6P himself.

Before I leave let me touch on what Tobi said...

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Let me direct you to three of his lines:

"This world is completely worthless...there is nothing left in it but misery."

"You two have grown up as hosts for tailed beasts, and you have endured with that misery that comes with that role have you not?"

"You should both understand that misery...a little."

What I conferred from this was that he wasn't claiming to have been a past jinchuuriki like most believe.

No. I think he is using that as an analogy to help Naruto understand his pain and his purpose.

If you remember, most Jinchuuriki's, if not all, are treated with either fear or disgust for being a vassal of enormous power.

Maybe this "Tobi" was (or is?) a vassal of enormous power who was feared by people who came in contact with him. Madara knowing him can only infer (at least to me) that he was "adopted" by him and brainwashed to hate humanity. But then again that doesn't seem much like Madara. But if you remember too, Tobi imitates Nagato's view of the world as being useless and full of hate.

He obviously went through something traumatic and wishes to help Madara "cleanse" the Narutoverse.

Another thing that puzzles me is why Tobi doesn't care what he is callled? Most villains crave for their real name to be known. All I got from that was that he is tired of living and doesn't see the importance of revealing his name.

*scratches head*

 

[iSpeak]

8 tails: Not only did he kill them all, he implanted those nasty-ass eyes in them.

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The Sharingan can easily be explained, he could have got them whilst helping whipe out the Uchiha

So where did Tobi (and Nagato) get all those Rinnegan's from?
Bare in mind, Tobi said he gave Nagato his Rinnegan.

 

[pdaworld]

He my take on how he could of gotten so many of the Rinnegan. Which is pretty much on the same lines as how Danzo got his sharingan. Its known that tobi/Madara one or both help destroy the uchiha clan. So what would be stopping Tobi from grabbing a bunch of eyes for himself as well. Mainly those from family and siblings. He was shown in a room with tons of jars full of eyes.

Next would be Tobi using the eyes or implanted them into someone else to develop the ms/ems/Rinnagen path.
"injects dna of sharingan eyes. Places in new sharingan eyes. swaps out sharingan eyes for family/sibling members. "

I know this could be far fetch but honestly Im not sure you actually have to murder your best friend or whatever to unlock those eyes since kakashi has proven to be the loop hole to that theory.
I know Itachi said this and that but it could of been him saying to see where and how far Sasuke might fall because of what he did.

Its could happen because its obivious Tobi can read the tablet and has actually work with someone who manulipate dna (orochimaru) and some who has actually unlocked it himself (Madara). If he was around Madara when he died it wouldn't be that hard to actually get some of his dna as well.

 

[-S-]

+rep, good thinking, but if he was the elder son, he would have known the story of his own father without reading the tablet

 

[partha420]

you've got something new......well, this is said before, but , good thought.like it.

 

[Waltz]

I know how stupid it sounds and to me it sounds stupid.But somebody in a thread made a good point. How would Tobi know so much about weak the tailed beast if he wasn't S06P.They say he can read from the So6P's tablet but they say you can read a lot with MS,then even more with EMS,and all of it with Rinnegan.Tobi doesn't have MS but 3T so how would he know all of this.

Another point is we've NEVER seened S06P's face.All we have seen is him in darkness with his Rinnegan shining.S06P may be possed some how.Who knows, maybe the 10 Tails spirit took over S06P's body after he died and the Rinnegan had left or somebody had took his eyes when he died(One of the brothers), so the 10 Tails needed a Rinnegan so he could revive himself and thats how he somehow met Madara.All I'm saying is Tobi could be the 10 Tails inside of S06P's body and he's trying to revive himself.

Thoughts?

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Check this out! Now Tobi said that the myth was based on Real Events now the only way he could say/know that is either:

1)He was there when it happened/present at the time.
2)He believes in the SO6p like the chinese do in Buddah
3)He Knows ALL the info on the Uchiha stone + more. (which is only possible if u have the S, MS, EMS and R in ur possession)

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Tobi is a shell of his former self.
Now we all know that Tobi is a shell of his FORMER self, now what does he need to once again b his former "self"?

1) the Juubi (collected 80% of bijuu to ressurect the juubi)
2) the 5 treasures. (100% collected)

Now the only "Person" known to have all these at once was the Sage of six paths. The So6p was practically the "ruler of the known world" and it was in "peace" until he "died" as tobi said...which i doubt.

 

[thundergod]

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Check this out! Now Tobi said that the myth was based on Real Events now the only way he could say/know that is either:

1)He was there when it happened/present at the time.
2)He believes in the SO6p like the chinese do in Buddah
3)He Knows ALL the info on the Uchiha stone + more. (which is only possible if u have the S, MS, EMS and R in ur possession)

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Tobi is a shell of his former self.
Now we all know that Tobi is a shell of his FORMER self, now what does he need to once again b his former "self"?

1) the Juubi (collected 80% of bijuu to ressurect the juubi)
2) the 5 treasures. (100% collected)

Now the only "Person" known to have all these at once was the Sage of six paths. The So6p was practically the "ruler of the known world" and it was in "peace" until he "died" as tobi said...which i doubt.

+++ rep ..awesome job!

 

[Digiphix]

I think the Sage, no matter how weak he is, can Destroy Konan, which Tobi didn't.

I can't lie, its a great theory. But that would mean that the So6p got raped and owned by Minato Namikaze, Hmmm..... I wonder? Are there still Minato haterz around? I can smell you guys LURKING... say something now.......

 

[Rami105]

WHo knows! let's just hope so because it will explain alot!

 

[rasenkugan]

Yeah possibly but i was thinking more that tobi may be madaras brother or something.

 

[Furtuna]

I don't think so. SO6P wouldn't need to use Madara's name to attract attentions. Besides, Tobi has EMS, else he couldn't use time jutsu or more importantly, he would have been killed by Konan.

 

[aks007]

it can be obito (kisi uses such mind**** words tobi ~ obito , jubi ~ biju )

oh hell, tobi can be SO6P's wife ... gawd... he can make an accent lolzz

 

[raynnil]

I don't think so. SO6P wouldn't need to use Madara's name to attract attentions. Besides, Tobi has EMS, else he couldn't use time jutsu or more importantly, he would have been killed by Konan.

tobi has ems??!!?? ............i must have missed something.!!

 

[iSpeak]

I don't think so. SO6P wouldn't need to use Madara's name to attract attentions. Besides, Tobi has EMS, else he couldn't use time jutsu or more importantly, he would have been killed by Konan.

Tobi's teleportion is a space time ninjutsu, it aint a MS technique. We havn't even seen Tobi's MS let alone EMS. And he survived his fight with Konan due to Izanagi.