Tobi destroys Madara anyday

[~Dream~]

Madara yes, not edo Madara. Tobi would sack himself to death, he would be crushed by Perfect Sasuno'o.

 

[DimLord Urza]

Madara yes, not edo Madara. Tobi would sack himself to death, he would be crushed by Perfect Sasuno'o.

How can perfect Susano'o touch Tobi exactly? Let alone the juubi? Tobi rapes nearly everyone, he is by far one of the strongest in Naruto at this point.

 

[Hashirama Senju 48]

with juubi-yes
without juubi- im not sure he cud

 

[immortal sage]

edo madera distroys ountains but tobi with juubi creats and distroys countrys and mountains together while drinking an ocean
so..................
tobi with juubi>>>>>>>>>>>>>edo madera with perfect susanoo

 

[blackstar9]

Nobody is easily destroying Madara !!! Thats not logical obviously madara is top 10 all time.

 

[TobisPawn]

I would carry on arguing with you guys but it's late.

All I know is Tobi is Madara's subordinate. So much so that he had to resort
to hiding his face and using his name.

And your proof that Tobi is Madara's subordinate? It can very well be the other way around. And being a subordinate doesn't automatically make you weaker; look at Kabuto and Orochimaru. On top of that, Tobi used Madara's name because it was the easiest way to start a war.


He froze in fear at the sight of Madara still dormant.

What's with this big misconception going on? Tobi was shocked, not scared. He literally regained his composure in the next panel. And he didn't mind Madara's summoning at all really. And using this logic, Tobi > Edo Madara + Kabuto because Kabuto "froze in fear" when Tobi blackmailed him.

The Rinnegan he uses belongs to Madara.

And how exactly does this prove anything? Madara died shortly after gaining the Rinnegan. Who says he's better with it? Look at Nagato. He has Madara's Rinnegan yet he's way better with it. And, as of now, Madara can only use Preta Path. That's not helping against Tobi's warping or the Juubi.

Tobi even said at the Kage meeting that he didn't have enough power to defeat the Kage hence sending Sasuke there. Whilst Madara completely overpowered them to the point of toying with them.

And what does this prove? That was Tobi before the Rinnegan (Gedo Mazo) and before he used the Bijuu's power. And Madara has no counter to Tobi's warping. The 5 Kages would seeing that its a 5 on 1 and they'd be able to back each other up. Madara has no such advantage.

Madara > Tobi.

Tobi always was and still is > Madara.

I'm out, see you later.

Counters above.

 

[lnvalid]

Technically...i'm going to say Edo Madara would pwn Tobi for one reason, and its merely a theory. I don't think Tobi will be able to control the jubi. I believe he overestimated his powers and will be unable to control it. If he can control it, then yes Tobi pwns, but I have a feeling he wont, and therefore...Madara would top him.

 

[SilverSlick]

Technically...i'm going to say Edo Madara would pwn Tobi for one reason, and its merely a theory. I don't think Tobi will be able to control the jubi. I believe he overestimated his powers and will be unable to control it. If he can control it, then yes Tobi pwns, but I have a feeling he wont, and therefore...Madara would top him.

Tobi doesn't need Juubi to defeat Madara.

 

[lnvalid]

Tobi doesn't need Juubi to defeat Madara.

aside from S/T ninjutsu Tobi isn't "that" great, Yes he's deceiving and smart, but in a fight. S/T would be his only plus, where as madara has...too much to list.

 

[Kisame18]

It's funny now cuz Madara said no one could stop him except from Hashirama, but Tobi could destroy him everyday anyday if he wants. Perfect Susanoo is weak compared to Gedo Mazo :rofl:

Why do people overestimate tobi so much? And underestimate madara? There is no way in hell that tobi is on madara's level if madara can toy with the 5 kage then what the hell makes you think that tobi would even be able to stand a chance in hell against madara? Madara hasnt even shown nearly half of his power. I mean tobi wouldnt stand a chance against madara because who is gonna stop him from destroying tobi before he summons the ten tails?

 

[rainman00]

A bunch of tobi fanboys what y'all fail to realize is tobi never fights he has other people fighting for him tobi has no type of jutsu the 4th own him within 3mins hell he is getting own by naruto and company he was getting own so much he was actually force to use the juubi n currently madara owns everything in naruto madara with all 7bijuu gedo statue wud do a lot more damage then tobi so madara > to

 

[superflint64]

I volunteer to say Hashirama > Edo Madara or Tob.

 

[TobisPawn]

aside from S/T ninjutsu Tobi isn't "that" great, Yes he's deceiving and smart, but in a fight. S/T would be his only plus, where as madara has...too much to list.

But those S/T techs are all Tobi needs to beat Madara...

 

[kwakugyeabour]

nooooo, Edo Madara is a God, regular madara already was a god too.. Tobi could have a chance, but Edo Madara would beat Tobi very high dif

 

[SilverSlick]

aside from S/T ninjutsu Tobi isn't "that" great, Yes he's deceiving and smart, but in a fight. S/T would be his only plus, where as madara has...too much to list.

6 bijuus, Rinnegan tech, Gedo Mazo, Senju DNA etc..You're completely forgetting about Tobi's other techs.

 

[TobisPawn]

nooooo, Edo Madara is a God, regular madara already was a god too.. Tobi could have a chance, but Edo Madara would beat Tobi very high dif

Madara has a counter to Tobi's S/T techs? Please tell me what it is.

And Madara > Juubi? kbro

 

[Rash4life]

If tobi has d juubi,wat else,he wil be undefinable.

 

[kellzfresh]

This is how it is
1. Edo madara > tobi + bijuus
Reason-
a. madaras wood supresses bijuu
b. EMS sharingan > basic sharingan so madara can wrestle control over the bijuu with his sharingan.
C. Perfect susanoo for any TBB
d. Madara can't die, unlimited chakra

2. Juubi >> edo madara, fact

3. Tobi + juubi >>> edo madara

Twists that could change 3.
a. How is tobi controlin the juubi, with madara's rinnegan.
Gedo statue was syncronised with nagatos eyes which are madara's eyes
Madara could take control since his eyes are already in sync with the gedo mazo.
Madara's EMS is stronger than tobis basic sharingan. Fact, so if tobi is using his sharingan, madara could still wrestle control.

Tobi wins only if he is in total control of juubi.
Off topic - But to me he just wants to use the juubi to cast the genjutsu instead of fighting with an incomplete juubi.

 

[TobisPawn]

This is how it is
1. Edo madara > tobi + bijuus
Reason-
a. madaras wood supresses bijuu
b. EMS sharingan > basic sharingan so madara can wrestle control over the bijuu with his sharingan.
C. Perfect susanoo for any TBB
d. Madara can't die, unlimited chakra

2. Juubi >> edo madara, fact

3. Tobi + juubi >>> edo madara

Twists that could change 3.
a. How is tobi controlin the juubi, with madara's rinnegan.
Gedo statue was syncronised with nagatos eyes which are madara's eyes
Madara could take control since his eyes are already in sync with the gedo mazo.
Madara's EMS is stronger than tobis basic sharingan. Fact, so if tobi is using his sharingan, madara could still wrestle control.

Tobi wins only if he is in total control of juubi.
Off topic - But to me he just wants to use the juubi to cast the genjutsu instead of fighting with an incomplete juubi.

Tobi doesn't need the Juubi to beat him. His S/T techs get the job done. And Perfect Susanoo can't tank a mountain busting TBB. It has no durability feats to even suggest that.

 

[arv993]

But those S/T techs are all Tobi needs to beat Madara...

nope madara can counter it with his mokuton substitution. that tech is very useful trap for tobi and his s/t. you make it seem hopeless defeat for madara but that isnt true

But if tobi uses juubi he would win but there are still other possibilities such as madara taking control over the gedo or jubi.

but if we go by a straight match(without "ifs" or unkown possibilities) and also without juubi being in a dormant state tobi has a clear advantage with juubi.

I want to see what happens when madara joins the fight alongside tobi going for the kyubi that is when things are going to get very interesting