Tobi can't phase through Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, and Chibaku Tensei

[neowisdom]

But u have absolutely no proof at all XD all u have is speculation and guess work, and a page in the manga which u think backs up your theory but actually confuses it more. And everything people posts on here u shrug your shoulders and mumble on about how your right.

FACE IT you are wrong, the majority of the people who have posted here think the same. People like you who have things stuck into their head are pointless even trying to reason with -_-

It looks like you're the one who doesn't want to admit at all that there is even a possibility that I am correct. You do not want to admit at all that I can be correct so you say that the proof I have given is confusing. You say that I have absolutely no proof at all even though I already pointed out that Tobi can manipulate gravity while he's under the ground to move but can't manipulate gravity in the Konan fight to fly away. I do not shrug my shoulders and mumble like you say, I actually give reason to counter other people's arguments.

Even if I am wrong, there is no way for you to prove that since no one has ever used Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, or Chibaku Tensei on Tobi. At least I provide a theory as to why Tobi can be hit by those techniques while you just say that my theory is wrong without countering my argument. So far people have just been saying that I was wrong without countering my argument.

And just because the majority of people think that I am wrong that doesn't automatically mean that I'm wrong. Example: if 80% of people think that God exists does that mean that God exists and the other 20% percent are wrong? I will believe the people (even if they are the minority) who give me a good explanation since there is no concrete prove.

You say that I am pointless to reason with even though you haven't tried to reason with me at all. All you're saying is I'm wrong without providing a reason. I will admit that I'm wrong if someone can give me an argument that I can't counter.

 

[neowisdom]

If nagato knew he was stronger than him then he wouldn't be taking orders from him, he would've taken charge from the very start

Being leader requires more than just strength. Tobi had a great amount of knowledge and he was very clever. Even if Nagato had taken charge from the start, he wouldn't be able to do much since he doesn't know much about the history of the Senju and Uchiha and all their powers. Nagato was the brawn and Tobi was the brain. Nagato used his power to keep the other members in line while Tobi used his intelligence to set up the plan on what the members should do.

 

[neowisdom]

The fact that Tobi can't manipulate gravity itself doesn't mean that attacks using gravity will affect him per se. He can obviously avoid ct by warping as soon as the pull starts. You do make an interesting point about shinra tensei and bansho tenin, specifically bansho tenin, as that directly simulates gravity whereas shinra tensei is more of a shockwave, which i think can be phased through.

Anyway, to sum up Tobi's space/time intangibility, he sends his body to another dimension. meaning that there's no part of him in the physical realm, and as such can't be affected by physical attacks or ninjutsu. Personally, I think that Tobi has some sort of anchor outside his body that keeps him connected with the physical realm, so he's immune to all sorts of attacks unless that anchor is destroyed.

Your first sentence is kind of a contradiction. If gravity affects Tobi during the Konan fight then other gravity-based attacks should work. Tobi can teleport away from Chibaku Tensei if there are no summons around to attack at the moment he materializes to teleport. I think Shinra Tensei is just the reverse of the pull of gravity but condensed and pushed out quickly for an attack.

There may be no part of Tobi in the physical realm but gravity still managed to pull him somehow.

 

[neowisdom]

Actually i dont even remember tobi telling nagato about the moon of the eye plan, what i remember him agreeing to was the plan for making money, stealing the tailed beasts, and then creating a weapon to hire out to the ninja villages to gain peace through fear. Once again this dude is trying to justify what he doesnt know -_-

When I said that Tobi said Nagato knew about the Eye of the Moon Plan I was thinking of the anime. Tobi told Konan in the anime that Nagato knew about the Eye of the Moon Plan. But that didn't happen in the manga and since manga is canon that means I was wrong about what Tobi said to Konan.

 

[mat2720]

It looks like you're the one who doesn't want to admit at all that there is even a possibility that I am correct. You do not want to admit at all that I can be correct so you say that the proof I have given is confusing. You say that I have absolutely no proof at all even though I already pointed out that Tobi can manipulate gravity while he's under the ground to move but can't manipulate gravity in the Konan fight to fly away. I do not shrug my shoulders and mumble like you say, I actually give reason to counter other people's arguments.

Even if I am wrong, there is no way for you to prove that since no one has ever used Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, or Chibaku Tensei on Tobi. At least I provide a theory as to why Tobi can be hit by those techniques while you just say that my theory is wrong without countering my argument. So far people have just been saying that I was wrong without countering my argument.

And just because the majority of people think that I am wrong that doesn't automatically mean that I'm wrong. Example: if 80% of people think that God exists does that mean that God exists and the other 20% percent are wrong? I will believe the people (even if they are the minority) who give me a good explanation since there is no concrete prove.

You say that I am pointless to reason with even though you haven't tried to reason with me at all. All you're saying is I'm wrong without providing a reason. I will admit that I'm wrong if someone can give me an argument that I can't counter.

Actually im talking from common sense and yes i know that its a manga but if u think about it from a physics point of view ul see that if there is no mass then then gravity cannot affect the body. N that is without even including the science fiction aspect of being intangable in one dimension but at the same time being present in it. So if u would kindly give up on arguing with me it will be much easier

Also if he can manipulate gravity on the ground what difference would it make if he is in the air? once again if u think about it in a physics kind of way gravity gets stronger the closer to the core u get, so it would actually be a lot more difficult to manipulate gravity while under the earth in comparison to in the air.

 

[hearteaterx]

^ You finally silenced him.

There's no way these attacks could hit Tobi, that would mean that the ninjutsu would have to phase through Tobi's projection and magically impact Tobi's body in his pocket dimension.
I've read all of the posts in this thread and understand the OP, but the fact is that the OP ignores what we already know about Tobi's s/t dojutsu. The only point that makes sense is that chibaku tensei would crush Tobi if he tried to warp out of it... assuming that the jutsu was fully formed with Tobi already in the centre- a ridiculous scenario based on the fact that an intangible projection of Tobi is unaffected by CT. Intangible Tobi could stand on the ground below the CT and look up at it without being drawn in.

While intangible Tobi can appear to levitate. But he isn't really levitating because he isn't there.

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The sfx are 'floating'. Tobi can float in the air.

 

[mat2720]

^ You finally silenced him.

There's no way these attacks could hit Tobi, that would mean that the ninjutsu would have to phase through Tobi's projection and magically impact Tobi's body in his pocket dimension.
I've read all of the posts in this thread and understand the OP, but the fact is that the OP ignores what we already know about Tobi's s/t dojutsu. The only point that makes sense is that chibaku tensei would crush Tobi if he tried to warp out of it... assuming that the jutsu was fully formed with Tobi already in the centre- a ridiculous scenario based on the fact that an intangible projection of Tobi is unaffected by CT. Intangible Tobi could stand on the ground below the CT and look up at it without being drawn in.

While intangible Tobi can appear to levitate. But he isn't really levitating because he isn't there.

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The sfx are 'floating'. Tobi can float in the air.

Nah he will be back :') everything ive said hes come back n argued with :') well most things, i admit he did admit a few things. But still XD n true but i think tobi would be smart enough to not get into that situation especially since he knows all about nagatos abilities

 

[Green Hood]

He was only caught off guard by Sasuke's eye technique. Nothing more.

 

[arv993]

I'm just saying it's a possibility assuming that the summons used are fast enough to attack Tobi. You can't just simply assume that Tobi can teleport faster than all summons.

none of the summons have ever seen to attack very fast tobi's teleportation is fast not instant yet fast, so if anyone is assuming its you saying summons would be able to pull off an attack. And this is also if we assume if the Ct takes over 5 minutes

 

[hearteaterx]

none of the summons have ever seen to attack very fast tobi's teleportation is fast not instant yet fast, so if anyone is assuming its you saying summons would be able to pull off an attack. And this is also if we assume if the Ct takes over 5 minutes

The thread starter was probably stoned when he made this because everyone else that has posted understands the nuances of Tobi's s/t jutsu.

 

[TobisPawn]

Gravity can't affect something that's not there. Tobi's intangibility makes him pretty much not exist in the situation.

 

[neowisdom]

Actually im talking from common sense and yes i know that its a manga but if u think about it from a physics point of view ul see that if there is no mass then then gravity cannot affect the body. N that is without even including the science fiction aspect of being intangable in one dimension but at the same time being present in it. So if u would kindly give up on arguing with me it will be much easier

Also if he can manipulate gravity on the ground what difference would it make if he is in the air? once again if u think about it in a physics kind of way gravity gets stronger the closer to the core u get, so it would actually be a lot more difficult to manipulate gravity while under the earth in comparison to in the air.

What you say makes sense. Let's assume that Tobi can phase through gravity and levitate. Can you explain why during the Konan fight Tobi didn't just stop himself from falling deeper into the middle of the ocean? The deeper Tobi fell the longer he would be stuck in the explosion. The moment that Tobi realized that the water was covered in explosive tags he should have levitated so only a small portion of the exploding tags on top of the ocean would explode then he could phase through them.

If Tobi can manipulate gravity in the air then he could fly in all directions like the way Tobi moves underground in all directions. If it's easier to manipulate gravity in the air then it would be easier for Tobi to fly in the air than to move underground.

 

[neowisdom]

none of the summons have ever seen to attack very fast tobi's teleportation is fast not instant yet fast, so if anyone is assuming its you saying summons would be able to pull off an attack. And this is also if we assume if the Ct takes over 5 minutes

By your opinion none of the summons are fast. I remember the Rinnegan's bird summon was pretty fast. I said it's a possibility that the summons could be fast enough to hit Tobi. I never said it was certain.

 

[neowisdom]

The thread starter was probably stoned when he made this because everyone else that has posted understands the nuances of Tobi's s/t jutsu.

I thought the same as everyone else until I saw the fight with Konan.

 

[neowisdom]

Gravity can't affect something that's not there. Tobi's intangibility makes him pretty much not exist in the situation.

During the Konan fight, while he was intangible and the explosive tags were moving through him, if Tobi didn't exist in the middle of the split ocean then why was he falling if you're not counting gravity?

 

[neowisdom]

^ You finally silenced him.

There's no way these attacks could hit Tobi, that would mean that the ninjutsu would have to phase through Tobi's projection and magically impact Tobi's body in his pocket dimension.
I've read all of the posts in this thread and understand the OP, but the fact is that the OP ignores what we already know about Tobi's s/t dojutsu. The only point that makes sense is that chibaku tensei would crush Tobi if he tried to warp out of it... assuming that the jutsu was fully formed with Tobi already in the centre- a ridiculous scenario based on the fact that an intangible projection of Tobi is unaffected by CT. Intangible Tobi could stand on the ground below the CT and look up at it without being drawn in.

While intangible Tobi can appear to levitate. But he isn't really levitating because he isn't there.

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The sfx are 'floating'. Tobi can float in the air.

I want to point out that the manga page you showed doesn't show Tobi going intangible. Tobi was teleporting in that page. When Tobi teleports his whole body is sucked into his right eye and that's why his feet were being lifted off the ground.

 

[khaydz5]

If nagato knew he was stronger than him then he wouldn't be taking orders from him, he would've taken charge from the very start

stfu,when did he took orders from tobi?

 

[Bogard]

stfu,when did he took orders from tobi?

Who told him to chase the Kyubi?

About gravity, i don't agree, but i think that CT is a jutsu that Tobi could fear, because if Nagato maintains CT in more than 5minutes, Tobi will be forced to materialise and will get caught by the jutsu and then get killed. He can't even teleport either way because to teleport either way, he must materialised himself.

The blue dragon of GM is a jutsu that could affect Tobi also i think.
I also think that C4 is a jutsu that could affect Tobi. Kage mane is also a jutsu that could affect Tobi. And others.

 

[khaydz5]

Who told him to chase the Kyubi?

About gravity, i don't agree, but i think that CT is a jutsu that Tobi could fear, because if Nagato maintains CT in more than 5minutes, Tobi will be forced to materialise and will get caught by the jutsu and then get killed. He can't even teleport either way because to teleport either way, he must materialised himself.

The blue dragon of GM is a jutsu that could affect Tobi also i think.
I also think that C4 is a jutsu that could affect Tobi. Kage mane is also a jutsu that could affect Tobi. And others.

stfu it wasn't a direct order. it was the "plan". if you still don't get it, put it this way. even if tobi doesn't say that, pain would still get the nine tails regardless.

 

[Shin Zangetsu]

Who told him to chase the Kyubi?

About gravity, i don't agree, but i think that CT is a jutsu that Tobi could fear, because if Nagato maintains CT in more than 5minutes, Tobi will be forced to materialise and will get caught by the jutsu and then get killed. He can't even teleport either way because to teleport either way, he must materialised himself.

The blue dragon of GM is a jutsu that could affect Tobi also i think.
I also think that C4 is a jutsu that could affect Tobi. Kage mane is also a jutsu that could affect Tobi. And others.

Chibaku Tensei is an extremely intensive exercise. I doubt Nagato would or even could carry on in such a futile exercise for five minutes. Also, why would Tobi hang around during that time. He has five whole minutes to leave the area.

Why does anyone think C4 or Jinton could affect him? They can't if he's intangible. Those attacks are powerful physical attacks at the cellular and molecular level respectively. They are no different from the larger physical attacks he's already avoided like an ocaen of explosion from paper tags and he may have even survived C4 already. He most certainly wanted to observe Sasuke's fight against Deidara and Zetsu wasn't around so he definitely didn't leave until the end which is why a few Akatsuki bar Zetsu thought he had died when he simple waltzed through C4 and C0.