To those who still think SO6P had the 9 tomoe...

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Please wake up.

On countless occasions, people have claimed that the reason the Juubi had the 9-tomoe eye was because it was under the control of the Sage. However, it has never been implied that the sage had any eye tech greater than the Rinnegan. Not only that, but there has been no clear-cut connection between the Rinnegan and the 9-tomoe, other than the multiple concentric lines.

The biggest issue here is that Tobi requires the 9-tomoe in order to cast Infinite Tsyukyomi, something he can only acquire by becoming the Juubi Jinchurinki. So what does it mean that Tobi needs the Juubi to upgrade his eyes in such a way? It means that the Juubi is the one who wields that eye and anyone who has complete control of his power can use its influence to cast mass scale genjutsus.

Now I think everyone can agree that the Sage had Rinnegan before becoming the Juubi's host, and I also think we can all agree that its no coincidence that the 9 tomoe bares such a striking resemblance to the modern day Sharingan. Therefore, I'd have to conclude that the coincidental similarities between the 9-tomoe and the rinnegan are just that, coincidence. But the greater connection to be gained from this is that the Juubi is the original wielder of the Sharingan and the Sage was the original wielder of the Rinnegan.

The way I see it, the Juubi had the first Sharingan and the Sage had the first Rinnegan. After being influenced by the Juubi's chakra and doujutsu, the Sage had a permanent change to his DNA and eventually his decendents gained a lesser form of the sharingan with the potential to awaken his Rinnegan. Not to mention, if the sage was the only one with the 9 tomoe, Tobi will have a hard time gaining that power from the Juubi right now, wouldn't he?

To be fair, I have gone back and forth with multiple people on this issue in the past, but I welcome any and all opinions on this topic, good OR bad. Please feel free to speak your mind on this issue, but I personally think that my thoughts on this issue have more backing from the manga than ever before.
 

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No offense but who are you to make such statements on this topic? No one knows anything about the Juubi or its unique eye, Just wait until you get more intel on the juubi before making threads such as this.
 

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Please wake up.

On countless occasions, people have claimed that the reason the Juubi had the 9-tomoe eye was because it was under the control of the Sage. However, it has never been implied that the sage had any eye tech greater than the Rinnegan. Not only that, but there has been no clear-cut connection between the Rinnegan and the 9-tomoe, other than the multiple concentric lines.

The biggest issue here is that Tobi requires the 9-tomoe in order to cast Infinite Tsyukyomi, something he can only acquire by becoming the Juubi Jinchurinki. So what does it mean that Tobi needs the Juubi to upgrade his eyes in such a way? It means that the Juubi is the one who wields that eye and anyone who has complete control of his power can use its influence to cast mass scale genjutsus.

Now I think everyone can agree that the Sage had Rinnegan before becoming the Juubi's host, and I also think we can all agree that its no coincidence that the 9 tomoe bares such a striking resemblance to the modern day Sharingan. Therefore, I'd have to conclude that the coincidental similarities between the 9-tomoe and the rinnegan are just that, coincidence. But the greater connection to be gained from this is that the Juubi is the original wielder of the Sharingan and the Sage was the original wielder of the Rinnegan.

The way I see it, the Juubi had the first Sharingan and the Sage had the first Rinnegan. After being influenced by the Juubi's chakra and doujutsu, the Sage had a permanent change to his DNA and eventually his decendents gained a lesser form of the sharingan with the potential to awaken his Rinnegan. Not to mention, if the sage was the only one with the 9 tomoe, Tobi will have a hard time gaining that power from the Juubi right now, wouldn't he?

To be fair, I have gone back and forth with multiple people on this issue in the past, but I welcome any and all opinions on this topic, good OR bad. Please feel free to speak your mind on this issue, but I personally think that my thoughts on this issue have more backing from the manga than ever before.
can you please post the manga page where it says that, I didn't know that.
 

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I never heard anyone say that
If you think people still think that then maybe YOU should wake up....
I've never heard anyone saying the Sage had those eyes.
People were saying it for a very long time, but I haven't been on these forums much lately, so I suppose I'm not up on people's thoughts on this issue anymore.

Dude, you're criticizing assumptions by making assumptions.
Assumptions with backing from the manga. People always seemed to claim that the sage had the 9-tomoe himself, but had no real backing from the manga.
 

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I heard people say that those were the Sage's eyes before, probably within the past week or two, but I also think Tobi needs the Juubi to use Inifite Tsukuyomi. Either that or that's why he wanted Sasuke.
 

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can you please post the manga page where it says that, I didn't know that.
In recent chapters, Tobi has said that all he needs is an incomplete Juubi to use Infinite Tsyukyomi, implying he will gain the Doujutsu by becoming its host. But the bottom left of this panel and the whole next panel explains it best:

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In recent chapters, Tobi has said that all he needs is an incomplete Juubi to use Infinite Tsyukyomi, implying he will gain the Doujutsu by becoming its host. But the bottom left of this panel and the whole next panel explains it best:

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Ah si si, good to know that
 

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I realize now that I came off harsh in this topic, but I want people to know that I was frustrated with all the people claiming the Sage had the 9-tomoe.

I haven't discussed this topic for a while, so I don't actually know what people are saying in regard to this issue right now, but to those who I clearly offended, I apologize :pwease:.

But to any of you that would like to discuss this topic or would like to give your own opinion, feel free to do so :ice:.
 

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Please wake up.

On countless occasions, people have claimed that the reason the Juubi had the 9-tomoe eye was because it was under the control of the Sage. However, it has never been implied that the sage had any eye tech greater than the Rinnegan. Not only that, but there has been no clear-cut connection between the Rinnegan and the 9-tomoe, other than the multiple concentric lines.

The biggest issue here is that Tobi requires the 9-tomoe in order to cast Infinite Tsyukyomi, something he can only acquire by becoming the Juubi Jinchurinki. So what does it mean that Tobi needs the Juubi to upgrade his eyes in such a way? It means that the Juubi is the one who wields that eye and anyone who has complete control of his power can use its influence to cast mass scale genjutsus.

Now I think everyone can agree that the Sage had Rinnegan before becoming the Juubi's host, and I also think we can all agree that its no coincidence that the 9 tomoe bares such a striking resemblance to the modern day Sharingan. Therefore, I'd have to conclude that the coincidental similarities between the 9-tomoe and the rinnegan are just that, coincidence. But the greater connection to be gained from this is that the Juubi is the original wielder of the Sharingan and the Sage was the original wielder of the Rinnegan.

The way I see it, the Juubi had the first Sharingan and the Sage had the first Rinnegan. After being influenced by the Juubi's chakra and doujutsu, the Sage had a permanent change to his DNA and eventually his decendents gained a lesser form of the sharingan with the potential to awaken his Rinnegan. Not to mention, if the sage was the only one with the 9 tomoe, Tobi will have a hard time gaining that power from the Juubi right now, wouldn't he?

To be fair, I have gone back and forth with multiple people on this issue in the past, but I welcome any and all opinions on this topic, good OR bad. Please feel free to speak your mind on this issue, but I personally think that my thoughts on this issue have more backing from the manga than ever before.
I've always viewed the 9 tomoe as being something of a metaphore. If you consider that the more tomoe a sharingan has the more power it gets, then a regular sharingan has 3 tomoe. When you get EMS, you need a second sharingan, for a total of 6 tomoe. The rinnegan, the next big stage of development, would somehow be equivalent to another three tomoe added to an EMS.

The three big stages in sharingan development are the normal sharingan (three tomoe, clearly visible), the EMS (two three-tomoe patterns on top of each other) and the Rinnegan. I leave the MS out because it still has only three tomoe AND it's not really a perfect form. The regular MS will eventually burn itself out and go blind because it's not perfect.

IF this is the case, then Kishi has been giving us clues about the relationship between the Rinnegan and the sharingan, and also giving us clues about how to unlock the Rinnengan. Exactly how you get those last three tomoe to turn an EMS into a Rinnegan is not yet known, but I suspect strongly that we'll learn the details soon.

In other words, I think there could be some very different opinions about the S06P if we learn that to get his Rinnegan eyes he had to take eyes from two other sharingan users or do something equally barbaric. It would also explain why Madara was so willing to participate in the Uchiha massacre (to collect one more set of eyes for himself to turn EMS into Rinnegan).
 
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