Three Sannin vs. EMS Sasuke - Sasuke going on rampage

[TheCCV]

Sannin annihilates.

 

[James Harrsion]

Jiraya solo's.
Itachi = Jiraya
Itachi > Sasuke
Jiraya > Sasuke
^true story.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Jiraya solo's.
Itachi = Jiraya
Itachi > Sasuke
Jiraya > Sasuke
^true story.

I disagree.

Itachi>/= Jiraiya
Itachi> MS Sasuke
Itachi< EMS Sasuke
Jiraiya< EMS Sasuke

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Sasuke kills Jiraiya & Tsunade with Amaterasu, Orochimaru gets put into a Genjutsu then killed with Amaterasu

ya, and three legendary intelligent shinobi will just stand there lost while sasuke does all that huh ?? xd they will wipe the floor with sasuke, sasuke should run .... and pray to god they loose interest and don't follow U_U

 

[Piratefish]

@PirateFish
1: You need to look at the Hachibi panels then. Once the eye is focused for Amatersu, it spreads at an alarming speed. It engulfed the whole Hachibi in flames in a matter of few seconds, and it's about at least 70 - 80 times larger than an ordinary human. So yes, for Jariya it will be immediately fatal. Durable means what? He can't extinguish it once hit. What do you even mean by this?
Those tongue attacks would be laughable before a level 4 complete sussano. I can't believe you even brought it within this argument.

So Sasuke panicked and used more Amaterasu than he ever has on any human-sized target on the Hachibi? Jiraiya can't extinguish it, but he CAN seal it.

The tongue attacks are legitimate. Shima easily grabs and tosses a Boss Summon too fast for it to react, and while Susano'o is far superior to any summon (except maybe the Nine-Headed Dog, and definitely the Gedou, Kyuubi and Juubi), it isn't any HEAVIER. Shima can toss it around, and maybe even bind its limbs for a moment or two. Sasuke has no defense against her paralytic, just as he succumbs to Oro's Eight-Headed Mode airborne toxins. Susano'o can't defend against them, and if it was able to Sasuke would quickly suffocate from lack of air. Or do you think Susano'o SCREENS AIR FOR POISONS?

2: How? With prior information, she would suddenly receive a speed boost? It wouldn't help her in any way at all. As I said, Kakashi said that the arrows were 'Too Fast' that he 'had to resort to Kamui'. Otherwise, he would've been dead meat. What feat has this woman showed along with Jiriya as far as evasion of extremely fast attacks are concerned? None at all.

Tsunade is an S-rank ninja with a self-proclaimed focus on evasion. With prior warning, she should be able to dodge most of what IS DODGEABLE. When has Tsunade NEEDED to dodge fast attacks anyway, or EVER been targeted with one?

They did what?

Please, expound a bit on what you're talking about. I honestly have no idea.

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- Sasuke’s arrow going clean through a very thick Cavern spike.

1st page looks more like the spike is obscuring the action, the point is embedded somewhere else entirely.

2nd one:

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is only shown crumbling rock somewhat. PART 1 GAI can do better with a PUNCH!

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And HERE'S an arrow only barely impacting the top of the bridge, vs Danzo:

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Here's Jiraiya causing about the same amount of damage WITHOUT TRYING during Sage Mode:

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And as, logically, a Susano'o Arrow should be able to damage a Susano'o, shouldn't that mean that even Jiraiya's TAIJUTSU could harm the Uchiha's Ultimate Defense?

Arrows have penetrative properties, not destructive. In all the cases, his arrows have pierced clean through the target they hit. You are telling me that Jiriya and Tsunade's bodies are more durable than this cavern spike, or that bridge? And DSM Kabuto's speed is several leagues above theirs. They are nowhere NEAR in his league in this regard. He dodged it, because he's even faster than Kakashi's kamui warp point, and slightly faster than Amatersu's focused point, as he stepped back quickly when Sasuke aimed it at his feet to create a wall around himself and Itachi.

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Please explain how the arrow pierced clean through the bridge. It pierced Danzo, certainly, but if you think Izanagi Danzo and SM Jiraiya are REMOTELY comparable in durability you are sadly mistaken.

DSM Kabuto is the first SM user to fight a Sharingan user, you're seriously stating that he is LEAGUES faster than SM Jiraiya?

And Tsunade is easily more durable than you seem to believe. A cavern spike doesn't instantly regenerate.

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Here shown taking several cloned Susano'o swords (arrows are equal to those at best, and this is another bit of proof as to her willpower) as well as BEATING A COMPLETE SUSANOO INTO THE GROUND. Sasuke isn't proven to even HAVE complete Susano'o.

Their speed feats are laughable before his. At least reread the chapters before making such an outrageous comparison. DSM Kabuto would take these three out without breaking a sweat.

SM Naruto has similar (or superior) feats to Kabuto in countering predictable, linear targets. Why wouldn't Jiraiya be able to?

Yeah, I disagree. Kabuto, alone, would be hard-pressed to survive.

3: The Hachibi was unable to do anything other than writhe and scream like a 12 year old girl, but Tsunade would somehow overcome the immense pain that would've long crossed the body's pain threshold that the Hachibi was unable to, and perform some feats while Amatersu burns every cell in her body, eats through her flesh and bones, and burns through all her chakra? She won't accomplish anything once hit.

The Hachibi has no willpower feats, Tsunade does. Tanking multiple complete Susano'o and surviving an extended battle with Madara (if she dies, it'll be a sacrifice to save the other Kages, which seems likely) shows she can regenerate a LOT without dying of old age.

That was Kagtsuchi, aka, Enton. It was not meant to spread but was shaped around Sasuke's last ribcage to shield him. It was a defence move, not an offensive one. Enton itself is extremely weak, slow, and far less effective compared to Amatersu. If you think he was that confident, then why didn't he take an Amatersu hit? He used two techniques; body flicker and charged his armour to the max to side step it. He knew he would be burnt to a crisp if he got hit.

This seems irrelevant.

Cut in half is not equal to all the body engulfed in flames. She's able to act, as her upper body is undamaged by the tree, and is able to think, speak, and control her techniques. Once hit with Amatersu, her whole body would be under the assault of scorching, torrid flames. What would she do then? I am not underestimating her; you are severally over-estimating this woman, when she hasn't shown any speed or durability feats against Amatersu, heck no one has for the latter.

Being able to preserve the concentration to attempt FOUR extremely difficult healings while exhausted, chakra depleted, woozy from blood loss, in shock and SPLIT IN HALF makes tanking Amaterasu at the VERY LEAST possible. You think Tsunade hasn't felt similar pain (fire) before?

The ONLY Kage to have been tagged by Amaterasu is the Raikage, who barely noticed and continued fighting. Tsunade could too, even with a more extensive hit.

4 & 5: Are you implying that pulling out a scroll, and sealing amatersu magatama, raw amatersu or arrows is as fast as A's two techniques or Kamui warp point? So taking a whole scroll out and settling it on the ground, and then sealing the flames, is fast? Please tell me you are joking. Jariya and Tsunade are not smarter than Sasuke. Where did you get this? The former certainty isn't. Sasuke has been called a genius, a prodigy, and Gai said he is comparable to Kakashi yet you believe that in terms of battle strategy Jariya out-smarts Sasuke, and Tsunade, primarily a medic also does so?

No, I never have. I just stated that Jiraiya can hand has attempted sealing in combat before and it WASN'T SLOW.

Orochimaru has been called a genius, a prodigy, (by Hiruzen, who would know) and you expect me to believe that Sasuke can outsmart both of his team-mates WHILE FIGHTING HIM?

Tsunade is the undisputed greatest medical mind in the history of the Narutoverse, and acquitted herself pretty well against MADARA. HOW could Sasuke stomp her, if she's fighting with her team?

Jiraiya is Konoha's greatest spymaster, a Fuuinjutsu prodigy and Seal Master and arguably a Ninjutsu Master as well. He was undisputably the strongest ninja in Konoha at the time of his death and has combat feats superior to Orochimaru. He is at least equal to Itachi in combat. TELL ME that Sasuke outsmarts him.

Sasuke has shown several feats of high level intelligence throughout the manga; he outsmarted Orochumaru, figured out Haku's technique on his own, took on Bee in a very effective trial and error manner - he made mistakes, yet learned quickly and bounced back - during his fight with the Kages he cleverly outsmarted A, bested a Jounin, took out the ceiling to slink out to catch Danzo, and figured out his techniques on his own. If these are not intelligence feats then I don't know what are.

He effectively died against Haku, effectively died against Bee several times (trial and error indeed) and outsmarted A, the shining prodigy of battle strategy (sarcasm). A would have KILLED him as well if he had been allowed to perform his last attack. Oh, he bested a Jounin? Then he's obviously superior to the Sannin collectively. He was lucky in unveiling Danzo's arm.

It seems like you don't. Nice of you to admit it.

What have these two accomplished? They got their asses handed to them due to poor strategic planning against Hanzo, Jariya was shamefully beat by Pein; he died because of his sheer stupidity to continue on with the fight. Yet on the other hand, Sasuke knew he couldn't take on Orochimaru, he studied the snakes - a reference he made during his fight with Kabuto - and took him out with a clever opportunity. He knew Bee could prove troublesome hence he formed a team. This is intelligence.

Hanzo, without ninjutsu, was the equal of a man who has devoted HIS ENTIRE LIFE TO SWORDPLAY. He resisted the Edo Tensei THROUGH WILLPOWER ALONE. Hanzo is severely underrated on these forums.

The Sannin have increased vastly in power since the battle with Hanzo. It was about THIRTY YEARS AGO. There's no evidence any of them could use Byakugou, Hydra Mode or Sage Mode.

Sasuke made a team specifically to get him to Itachi, and never seems to have intended actually FIGHTING alongside Taka. If they hadn't kept following him around he'd have fought Bee alone. That is stupidity. You know what would have been the result of that. (Not like Bee couldn't have killed him as it was.) So Sasuke knew he couldn't take Orochimaru? What has changed since then is that he's achieved MS and repeatedly spams it to the exclusion of anything else. The Sannin, collectively, have info on all of Sasuke's MS techs, except the arrows, but then again it's a giant purple skeleton with a bow. How could they NOT win?

Tsunade was brutally beaten by Kabuto, who overcame her technique to mess up his neuronal signals in a matter of seconds, and even commented he surpassed her when she was at the top of her game in her prime. She along with Shizune had such a poor team work strategy that they got their asses kicked by a single jounin level ninja? You call these people geniuses? Tsunade maybe bookish intelligent, but her battle strategy is ****ing hilarious; she's borderline stupid in this regard. She charged head on to take on Madara. What was she thinking when she had 4 people as back up? Should I continue?

Kabuto was a boastful idiot at that point, which is proven by his engagement with Naruto. He repeatedly says things like "You have no talent as a shinobi.":

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And goes on to get a Rasengan to the gut. Kabuto seems to be doing this to curry favour with Orochimaru, who says similar things about Jiraiya:

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His entire battle strategy was based on her Hemophobia, and he quickly realizes he's in deep shit. Kabuto uses a soldier pill and confesses his unimpressive taijutsu before ever directly engaging her. Tsunade said he MAY have exceeded her in her prime, and IMMEDIATELY AFTER scrambles his nervous system. Perhaps she's learned craftiness with age:

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It takes him another punch to even realize what she's done. Manipulating the nervous system is FAR beyond cutting some muscles, and Kabuto has confessed not being able to even cut arteries. Basic anatomy states that the nervous system is FAR more complex.

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Kabuto goes on to state that "even after all the years spent away from battle, you can still do this" and he raises a fair point. Tsunade has not trained nor fought for at least a DECADE at this point. She's also been abusing alcohol HEAVILY, there's no way even SHE would not be massively worse than she used to be. In the same panel she says that even regular self-healing would consume too much chakra. Does that sound like the person who healed KONOHA AS A WHOLE three years later?

And you are just assuming that those techniques are somehow fast enough to counter these two extremely fast techniques that none have avoided with base speed, or have used additional techniques to deflect them? All those things you mentioned would be useless against Sasuke as long as he is inside a complete sussano. Kabuto's DSM sound technique blocked out all of their senses and attacked that very specific one.

So you're just assuming that Sasuke even HAS a Complete Susano'o? Sound is effective. Airborne toxins are effective. Tsunade's punches are effective. Oro's ninjutsu and willingness to sacrifice summons for distractions are effective. Jiraiya's Giant Rasengan and other ninjutsu are effective. Oro's snake-form, and Shima's tongue can fling Susano'o around like a rag doll with the slightest opening. Hell, Katsuyu's acid could even be effective.

Note that I said 'effective' not "ALL OF THESE STOMP SUSANO'O LOLZ". These are all techniques PROVEN to damage Susano'o, or to target Sasuke without it being able to stop them, or inconvenience it heavily.

They are non-entities in this fight, just as Orochumaru conversely is a non-entity before Itachi's genjutsu. These techniques are too fast against either one of them. Jariya took out one path only and in his sage mode, and barely did so with one less arm and a badly beaten body. His speed feat and reflexes don't outmatch A's and Tsunade is too damn slow for these techniques. So yes, they are what they are in this fight.

Jiraiya took out three Paths and decided, logically, as WHY would there be MORE than THREE Rinnegan-users in the world, that the battle was over. He was ambushed, and IN A SIX ON ONE SITUATION WHILE HEAVILY INJURED, IN SHOCK, AND MISSING AN ARM (shock is from the recent loss of a limb) TOOK OUT ONE MORE. How is that the feat of a nonentity? Tsunade has landed clean hits on MADARA(s clones) without him intending her to. She had help from the Kages, and here she has help from her teammates. Whose teamwork is on a FAR superior level and they are arguably stronger than the Kages anyway. Sasuke doesn't compare to Madara.

P.S.: Please, try to spell Jiraiya correctly even once. Your ridiculous underrating of him is showing through.

 

[Ultimate uzumaki form]

I disagree.

Itachi>/= Jiraiya
Itachi> MS Sasuke
Itachi< EMS Sasuke
Jiraiya< EMS Sasuke

Answer this Sasuke > 3 paths of pain?

 

[blazekev90]

What is this madness?!? Sasuke would possibly lose to both Jman and Orochimaru alone, taking on two would end him moderate difficulty.

The fact is Sasuke doesn't have the feats to defeat Orochimaru, he's only able to defend at this point. We've already seen 8 branch transformation tower over one Susnao, but that one had ye tools to defend against it. Sasuke's doesn't, as he uses arrows it can/simply regenerate. Now, if he added Manda or even one Edo to the mix, sasuke would be overpowered.

Jman has SM and would find the means to get into no matter what. In this state he'll have the reflexs and speed to successfully avoid and counter Sasuke, or at least buy enough time until Ma and Pa prep their genjutsu.

 

[Turson]

So Sasuke panicked and used more Amaterasu than he ever has on any human-sized target on the Hachibi? Jiraiya can't extinguish it, but he CAN seal it.

I dont really understand why everyone says: "Jiraiya can seal Amaterasu". Cool, he can, but in order to do so he had to:
1. Pull out the scroll and put it on the ground.
2. Write sealing formula on it.
3. Make hand seals.
4. Put his hand on the ground.

It should be clear that Jiraiya wouldnt be able to do it during battle.

Answer this Sasuke > 3 paths of pain?

EMS Sasuke? The three ones that Jiraiya fought against, without Deva? Sure, why not.

The fact is Sasuke doesn't have the feats to defeat Orochimaru, he's only able to defend at this point.

He did. Genjutsu to paralyze Oro + Amaterasu to finish him off.

BTW. Im not saying that hes beating all three at once, he still got to show his new EMS powers and catch up to Naruto, but in 1 vs. 1 battle he defeats any sannin. Even if he loses at this point I can see taking two of them with him.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

edo hashirama & tobirama. this time orochimaru wont play with his food.

the end.

 

[Turson]

edo hashirama & tobirama. this time orochimaru wont play with his food.

the end.

Unlike Kabuto, Orochimaru was not running around with sealed dead bodies that are needed for Edo Tensei. So I see no reason why we should include ET in this, unless we are talking about battle with earlier preparations.

 

[shelke]

So Sasuke panicked and used more Amaterasu than he ever has on any human-sized target on the Hachibi? Jiraiya can't extinguish it, but he CAN seal it.

The tongue attacks are legitimate. Shima easily grabs and tosses a Boss Summon too fast for it to react, and while Susano'o is far superior to any summon (except maybe the Nine-Headed Dog, and definitely the Gedou, Kyuubi and Juubi), it isn't any HEAVIER. Shima can toss it around, and maybe even bind its limbs for a moment or two. Sasuke has no defense against her paralytic, just as he succumbs to Oro's Eight-Headed Mode airborne toxins. Susano'o can't defend against them, and if it was able to Sasuke would quickly suffocate from lack of air. Or do you think Susano'o SCREENS AIR FOR POISONS?

That was his first use of Amatersu, and I don't even get the panic reference. Really, I don't. Jiriya will seal it while rolling in flames? Seems feasible and plausible, I suppose.

Sussano is most definitely much more superior than any summon save for Kyuubi and above. Don't even think of slipping in a regular summon - it sprouted heads because of Animal Paths jutsu - to add weight to your argument. We both know this is a false assumption through and through. Their attacks won't hurt sussano as it's superior to all summons and it's quite possible it will not get completely obliterated with a TBB from Kyuubi. I am going to go out on a limb here and throw in a last rib after the attack IF sasuke uses Kagatsuchi to further protect himself.

I don't know, you tell me, as you sound pretty sure of yourself. It was able to block out most of Mei's acid attack even if it was on its last layer. So I suppose it does act as an all out barrier, and did you forget that Orocimaru himself worked around poison specifically for Sasuke's body? Which toxins then?

Tsunade is an S-rank ninja with a self-proclaimed focus on evasion. With prior warning, she should be able to dodge most of what IS DODGEABLE. When has Tsunade NEEDED to dodge fast attacks anyway, or EVER been targeted with one?

What are you basing this on? Her S rank means her speed is also at the highest level? Going by this, Orochimaru and Jiriya's strength should be at her level as well, because S rank just means they out-right ROCK on all fronts. I wonder why Jiriya even lost so poorly then. Not all ninjas are fast, just deal with it man. Tsunade is slow for these techniques. I can't believe someone is even arguing on this. She gets hit, as she's too sluggish if her speed is juxtaposed with the speed of the attacks.

And as, logically, a Susano'o Arrow should be able to damage a Susano'o, shouldn't that mean that even Jiraiya's TAIJUTSU could harm the Uchiha's Ultimate Defense?

Arrows have penetrative properties. Please show me a single scan where his arrow has not cleaved through the said target and you've won this argument. Your persistence at comparing a destructive attack with a penetrative one is most odd and unnerving.

The Hachibi has no willpower feats, Tsunade does. Tanking multiple complete Susano'o and surviving an extended battle with Madara (if she dies, it'll be a sacrifice to save the other Kages, which seems likely) shows she can regenerate a LOT without dying of old age.

You need to re-read the manga again. Tsunade didn't TANK anything alone.

Being able to preserve the concentration to attempt FOUR extremely difficult healings while exhausted, chakra depleted, woozy from blood loss, in shock and SPLIT IN HALF makes tanking Amaterasu at the VERY LEAST possible. You think Tsunade hasn't felt similar pain (fire) before?

The ONLY Kage to have been tagged by Amaterasu is the Raikage, who barely noticed and continued fighting. Tsunade could too, even with a more extensive hit.

Just look at your reasoning. One technique cleaved her in half, leaving her upper body completely intact and the second completely consumes her. You see no difference in the two?

Barely noticed? Please, re-read the manga. I am chuckling actually as it's the exact opposite of what you just ventured. That was Enton, I should give you a hint again. Maybe you should re-read that block of text you called irrelevant. As it's most relevant in nullifying this claim.

No, I never have. I just stated that Jiraiya can hand has attempted sealing in combat before and it WASN'T SLOW.

Orochimaru has been called a genius, a prodigy, (by Hiruzen, who would know) and you expect me to believe that Sasuke can outsmart both of his team-mates WHILE FIGHTING HIM?

Tsunade is the undisputed greatest medical mind in the history of the Narutoverse, and acquitted herself pretty well against MADARA. HOW could Sasuke stomp her, if she's fighting with her team?

Jiraiya is Konoha's greatest spymaster, a Fuuinjutsu prodigy and Seal Master and arguably a Ninjutsu Master as well. He was undisputably the strongest ninja in Konoha at the time of his death and has combat feats superior to Orochimaru. He is at least equal to Itachi in combat. TELL ME that Sasuke outsmarts him.

Your assumptions are completely baseless. Being a Sanin doesn't automatically put everyone on the same level. It's a rank given to them by Hanzo. Tsunade was surpassed by Kabuto when he was nineteen, so she's no longer the best medic-nin as you assume. Jiriya acquired everything through hard work, not through his superior intelligence as you imply, in fact, the man himself admits it.

Jiriya was not stronger than Orochimaru from the get go, as Sarutobi during his flash back praised him as the once in a life time prodigy. He created many jutsus, perfected Edo-Tensai, has proficiency over genjutsu, his taijutsu is extremely impressive. Compared to him, Jiriya uses a crippled SM, lacks the intelligence to harness the power of genjutsu, and doesn't seem as proficient at taijutsu as Orochimaru who held his own against two of them with his hands sealed. I mean, they couldn't even kill a completely incapacitated man, and you're telling me that Jiriya is somehow superior?

How is he at least equal to Itachi? Somehow a manga page at the back of my head refutes this claim. You know the one where he sealed Amatersu flames? And spy-master? I don't even...Sasuke does out-smart him in terms of 'gifted intelligence'. You are disagreeing with Manga if you believe otherwise. He was hailed as a prodigy, sought after by Orochimaru for being a superior ninja, even Jiriya admitted and leveled himself with Naruto during his conversation in terms of progress and intelligence. Deny it all you want, Jiriya is an avergae ninja in terms of intelligence. He was never intelligent, but a hardworking individual.

Kabuto goes on to state that "even after all the years spent away from battle, you can still do this" and he raises a fair point. Tsunade has not trained nor fought for at least a DECADE at this point. She's also been abusing alcohol HEAVILY, there's no way even SHE would not be massively worse than she used to be. In the same panel she says that even regular self-healing would consume too much chakra. Does that sound like the person who healed KONOHA AS A WHOLE three years later?

Kabuto bested her, simple as that. Stop employing weird logic as 'solider pill' 'homophobia' and what not to give points to this ninja whose usefulness doesn't extend beyond healing. Making a strategy around an opponent's weakness is what a ninja is supposed to do.

Please explain how the arrow pierced clean through the bridge. It pierced Danzo, certainly, but if you think Izanagi Danzo and SM Jiraiya are REMOTELY comparable in durability you are sadly mistaken.

DSM Kabuto is the first SM user to fight a Sharingan user, you're seriously stating that he is LEAGUES faster than SM Jiraiya?

And Tsunade is easily more durable than you seem to believe. A cavern spike doesn't instantly regenerate.

Here shown taking several cloned Susano'o swords (arrows are equal to those at best, and this is another bit of proof as to her willpower) as well as BEATING A COMPLETE SUSANOO INTO THE GROUND. Sasuke isn't proven to even HAVE complete Susano'o.

It penetrated clean through the bridge's surface. What more do you want? Was Sasuke's target the bridge? SM Jiriya lost a whole arm in his sage mode. No he isn't durable. Tsunade is not durable against Amatersu, as a Bijuu (Hachibi) wasn't, who have instant healing abilities as well. She isn't durable against it, which was my main point.

Sasuke has a complete sussano. Madara's full fledged sussano form is the perfect sussano. This sussano is not even a complete version and is a clone on top of that. She isn't punching a complete sussano head on, let alone the one that holds Magatama that will throw about a hundred of those speedy enton bullets in her face, and encased with Kgatsuchi.

Jiraiya took out three Paths and decided, logically, as WHY would there be MORE than THREE Rinnegan-users in the world, that the battle was over. He was ambushed, and IN A SIX ON ONE SITUATION WHILE HEAVILY INJURED, IN SHOCK, AND MISSING AN ARM (shock is from the recent loss of a limb) TOOK OUT ONE MORE. How is that the feat of a nonentity? Tsunade has landed clean hits on MADARA(s clones) without him intending her to. She had help from the Kages, and here she has help from her teammates. Whose teamwork is on a FAR superior level and they are arguably stronger than the Kages anyway. Sasuke doesn't compare to Madara.

P.S.: Please, try to spell Jiraiya correctly even once. Your ridiculous underrating of him is showing through.

Jiriya lost because he chose to continue with the fight; that is stupidity. He knew he was severally outmatched, and outnumbered, the best decision would have been to flee as there was no way he was winning against them. By the way, he took out Animal path only. Human path is literally useless unless it doesn't lay a hand on the user, and Petra path absorbs all chakra based attacks and user's chakra IF it comes in contact. These paths are not proficient in Taijutsu or any other feat as they ONLY do what their path allows them.

When he faced the actual offensive team - Asura and Deva - he was killed instantly. Asura path alone killed him by taking out his whole arm, and crushing his throat. The last attack was an over-kill as he would've died in a matter of seconds anyway. He actually faced only 5 % of the actual offensive power in the first half, as any higher tier feats from Deva path takes 90% of Nagato's power and he has to switch off all the other paths or reduce their recovery drastically to do so. What was so impressive about him taking out one offensive path then?

How are they stronger than the kages? Also, I misspell all of Sasuke's techniques as well. Is there some problem?

He effectively died against Haku, effectively died against Bee several times (trial and error indeed) and outsmarted A, the shining prodigy of battle strategy (sarcasm). A would have KILLED him as well if he had been allowed to perform his last attack. Oh, he bested a Jounin? Then he's obviously superior to the Sannin collectively. He was lucky in unveiling Danzo's arm.

It seems like you don't. Nice of you to admit it.

Dude, you are funny. I am laughing my head off. Killed him with his final attack?

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- It was A that was saved by Gaara. What are you basing any of your far-fetched assumptions on? He figured out Haku's attack that was a feat of intelligence. He managed to guess a perfect Jinchuriki's patterns that was a feat, he cleverly encased himself in enton because he knew he wouldn't be able to hit A with Amatersu, that's intelligence.

And awesomeness on your last insightful comment. I think I wasted my time typing all this. He got lucky? That has got to be the highlight of your assumptions-filled post. The sanins are not any where near the level of high tier ninjas that includes Nagato, Sasuke, Naruto, Obito, Madara and Hashirama. Just get over the overwhelming shock.

P.s: Whatever is left answering, I am not going to bother, as it was quite irrelevant.

 

[blazekev90]

I dont really understand why everyone says: "Jiraiya can seal Amaterasu". Cool, he can, but in order to do so he had to:
1. Pull out the scroll and put it on the ground.
2. Write sealing formula on it.
3. Make hand seals.
4. Put his hand on the ground.

It should be clear that Jiraiya wouldnt be able to do it during battle.


EMS Sasuke? The three ones that Jiraiya fought against, without Deva? Sure, why not.


He did. Genjutsu to paralyze Oro + Amaterasu to finish him off.

BTW. Im not saying that hes beating all three at once, he still got to show his new EMS powers and catch up to Naruto, but in 1 vs. 1 battle he defeats any sannin. Even if he loses at this point I can see taking two of them with him.

Wft he never used that on Orochimaru! Orochimaru paralyzed him and he reversed the ritual as he was defenseless.

 

[Turson]

Wft he never used that on Orochimaru! Orochimaru paralyzed him and he reversed the ritual as he was defenseless.

So what if he never used it on Orochimaru? We could already see Orochimaru being affected by Sharingan Genjutsu, and we also know that Sasuke has Genjutsu that actually paralyze its victim.

 

[blazekev90]

So what if he never used it on Orochimaru? We could already see Orochimaru being affected by Sharingan Genjutsu, and we also know that Sasuke has Genjutsu that actually paralyze its victim.

Itachi's genjutsu>>>>Sasuke's and if Orochimaru was able to still move when Itachi used paralyzing genjutsu, he'll for sure be able to move against Sasuke's.

 

[shelke]

Itachi's genjutsu>>>>Sasuke's and if Orochimaru was able to still move when Itachi used paralyzing genjutsu, he'll for sure be able to move against Sasuke's.

Only Itachi's Tuskiyomi greatly surpasses Sasuke's. The latter was able to accomplish a lot with his as well as he put a perfect Jinchurki under a illusion for a few seconds even though Jinchurikis are somewhat indefinitely immune to it. Shee was out cold through out the battle, and he won Against Danzo on basis of genjutsu as well.

 

[Turson]

Itachi's genjutsu>>>>Sasuke's and if Orochimaru was able to still move when Itachi used paralyzing genjutsu, he'll for sure be able to move against Sasuke's.

As for now we only know that Itachis Tsukuyomi > Sasukes Tsukuyomi, we could see during battle between brothers that their standard Sharingan Genjutsus were pretty much equal. Also, Sasukes Genjutsu was strong enough to own another skilled Genjutsu user (Shee) making him unable to move for quite some time.

 

[blazekev90]

As for now we only know that Itachis Tsukuyomi > Sasukes Tsukuyomi, we could see during battle between brothers that their standard Sharingan Genjutsus were pretty much equal. Also, Sasukes Genjutsu was strong enough to own another skilled Genjutsu user (Shee) making him unable to move for quite some time.

His genjutsu itself is inferior, Shee may use genjutsu but he dont know his stats of genjutsu so it's irrelevant. Even Danzo spoke of his inferior genjutsu compared to Itachi's. Itachi's genjutsu itself is OP, no matter whats being used.

 

[Turson]

His genjutsu itself is inferior

Only in usage department (as Itachi can cast Genjutsu without eye contact, using only his hand movements), not in strenght.

Shee may use genjutsu but he dont know his stats of genjutsu so it's irrelevant.

Hes a Kage bodyguard, so its only logical that hes good at it. Also, Orochimaru never displayed any resistance to illusions.

 

[blazekev90]

Only in usage department (as Itachi can cast Genjutsu without eye contact, using only his hand movements), not in strenght.

Hes a Kage bodyguard, so its only logical that hes good at it. Also, Orochimaru never displayed any resistance to illusions.

no it's the strength behind it, the means in which he cased genjutsu is irrelevant. Being a kage guard makes you strong, but doesn't mean he has a 5 in genjutsu. Orochimaru is a sharingan user, non-sharingan users show resistance differently than sharingan users as them just counter/counter it. As shown from A, his guard, Kurenia, etc. The means needed to counter Sharingan genjutsu for a non-sharingan user is either have some else there to assist or break it with hand seal. Shee was unable to move completely, Orchimaru showed resistance against arguably the strongest genjutsu user by simply moving in effort to break it.

 

[shelke]

^ Itachi only used a three tomoe genjutsu on Orochimaru, and got him. You are somehow assuming that his three tomoe genjutsu is stronger than EMS's tsukyomi? My god.