Three Sannin vs. EMS Sasuke - Sasuke going on rampage
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1 on 1 he takes them.
But all 3 back-ing up each other it's rampage.
Let us not forget that this is not only the Sannins, they fight with their summons as well.
We have 2 imperfect Sage modes (Orochimaru and Jiraiya) and the best medical ninja in the Narutoverse.
And they are a standard in the Ninja world for their team-work.
But all 3 back-ing up each other it's rampage.
Let us not forget that this is not only the Sannins, they fight with their summons as well.
We have 2 imperfect Sage modes (Orochimaru and Jiraiya) and the best medical ninja in the Narutoverse.
And they are a standard in the Ninja world for their team-work.
Your arguments are a joke.
- Sasuke used his Kawarimi no Jutsu after Itachi stopped Amaterasu, in order to take Sasukes eyes. Amaterasu would prevent him from using the rebirth technique because of burning the whole body without extinguishing until the target is burnt to ashes.
- Jiraiya used the scroll and formed hand seals, in order to absorb the flames from the toads stomach into it, but how's it actually going to work in an actual battle, when Amaterasu will burn its target (Tsunade) very quickly while causing such a pain that made a Biju crying? Sasuke could pressurize Jiraiya to such an extent, that latter simply wouldn't have the time to take his scroll out in order to remove the flames from Tsunades body. He can be hit bit it as well. Moreover, Sasuke is able to manipulate already existing flames and let them grow, thus being able to make the flames on Tsunades body grow in order to isolate her with a wreath of flames from the others, or simply shot a Magatama projectile of Amaterasu flames out of Tsunades burning body, in order to hit Jiraiya, who just want to remove the flames. The Blaze Release is a very versatile technique.
- To your point with Susanoo; Tsunade only damaged its ribcage and destroyed it by penetrating it together with A, who got a power boost from Oonoki. There can be no talk about Tsuande being able to destroy even the full skeleton version of Susanoo on her own.
Sasuke on a rampage isn't a good thing, it means he's abandoned his brain and starts abusing his chakra. But still, all three Sannin at once is too much.
Sannin [3] > Sasuke (Medium/High difficulty)
Sasuke > Sannin [1] (Medium/High difficulty)
Sasuke = Sannin [2] (Probably death for both sides)
Sannin [3] > Sasuke (Medium/High difficulty)
Sasuke > Sannin [1] (Medium/High difficulty)
Sasuke = Sannin [2] (Probably death for both sides)
Yet this team was inferior to Hanzo the salamander. The number of the summons doesn't matter before the Blaze Release, I don't see a reason why they wouldn't get fodderized by Blaze Release Magatama projectiles. Too much summons on the battlefield would in the end just hinder the Sannin to freely fight.
You talk about rampage, what kind of rampage? Jiraiya merely survived against Chikushodo alone due to his summons, Orochimaru was fodder for a mere Sharingan Genjutsu and Tsunade is even weaker. If they are fodder in 1on1 against the Sharingan, I don't see the rampage in this scenario. Several Kage had already major difficulties in overcoming the incomplete Susanoo.
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Strict has brought up another good point. The more they summon the more they leave them open for more Amatersu showers. As the summons will get caught in direct flames or Magatamas too quickly. And Sasuke won't turn off the flames, he has to reason to. He will only use them to create more projectiles. I'll scratch what I said earlier, Sasuke wins this fight.
the sanin are overrated hanzo took them with low diff it looked like sasuke wins this high diff tsunade and jiraiya are fodderize by amaterasu almost instantly oro will lose to tsukuyomi also those frog song need to bee in a tunneled area to be effected it if jiraiya even goes into sm he will either controll them frogs or use blaze release thats on the ground to destroy them sasuke wins sannin is nothing special
YellowFlash1
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My argument are a joke ... Hmmm, i don't think so?
Yes he did it after itachi stopped it although Oro has shown to be much more sufficient at using it.
What difference would it make wither it was on a toad's stomach or a person, it still retracts the flames regardless of the material it was burning. Yeah sasuke can manipulate the Amaterasu, however they have lots of summon that would be able to cover him while doing so plus their is still the option of using a clone, regardless of how he does it, Jiraiya has proven that he can seal with the Amaterasu which something the manga clear shows. Your argument to that is nothing more than you setting out a battle "Scenario" considering that he's already shown it's not a problem to deal with.
Another thing is tsunade has shown that she can heal any part of his body by growing new cells, yeah she can only do it for a limited amount of time because she would run out of chakra however, that would give her more time if a tricky situation came up.
My argument are a joke? Don't think so, i've shown nothing put facts that they can deal with Amaterasu. Deal with it.
Sasuke doesn't have unlimited chakra and would run out fairly quickly if he was to spam everything in sight.
Another thing is that Jiraiya would be able to destroy susanoo by using Food Cart Destroyed - The same Technique that Minato used to bin down the 9 tail, which is instant. Sasuke doesn't have that much chakra to sit and continue to keep repairing susanoo and spam amaterasu.
Sound genjutsu is another thing that Sasuke would find incredibly hard to deal with.
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Piratefish
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Once again we find ourselves at odds.
Jiraiya WILL survive Amaterasu long enough to seal it if he's in Sage Mode, if he doesn't just dodge it. Amaterasu is easily sensed, and Jiraiya in SM is fast enough to blitz the Pein's to some degree. If A can dodge without sensory abilities and SM Naruto can counter the Sandaime Raikage at full speed, it follows that SM Jiraiya could dodge Amaterasu. If he's in base, the likelyhood of his survival decreases, but not unduly so. Tsunade could keep him alive even while he's on fire, and he might not even need that in order to seal the flames.
Tsunade isn't "sluggish" (at least not in dodging, apparently her personality is), if she has even minimal prior warning she could dodge arrows and Amaterasu bolts, but not full-on Amaterasu. A warning such as Jiraiya screaming "ARROW" every time Sasuke is about to loose one, or "FIRE" every time he's about to play pyromaniac. Tsunade would also SURVIVE Amaterasu (especially in Byakugou) long enough for Jiraiya to seal it, but he COULD choose not to:
If he wanted to see what a FULL-STRENGTH AMATERASU PUNCH would do to a Susano'o.
Sannin take this.
Once hit with Amatersu, there is no countering it. Jiriya is not fast enough to achieve A's evasion as he used two techniques to step away, and barely accomplished so. This man's Sage mode cannot do all the things you mentioned. Kindly open the link the guy above me posted. He will get hit, and it will be over for him.
Tsunade is far too sluggish to dodge arrows or amatersu, or its variants. Kakashi barely did so with Kamui, Tsunade is not faster than this. There is nothing in the manga to even support this claim of yours. Also, unless the technique is not activated, she won't be able to survive long. But once hit, all she can do is writhe in pain and wait for her body's biological healing limit to exceed - which should be close considering how much she has abused this ability on instances - its said limit - as pointed out by Shizune - and she'll be done for. Jiriya's sealing isn't at A's dodging speed level. The second he even pulls out a scroll, Sasuke will bombard him with Magatama, or arrows, or whatever strikes his fancy. This sealing would be comical effect in the fight. He would be a complete idiot to even attempt it.
The only problem here is Orochimaru. This would be a one on one fight. But considering Sasuke's ability to create countless projectiles out of enton flames, Orochimaru isn't wining this either.
Jiraiya isn't dodging amaterasu. You need to escape the sharingan's eyesight to do so and if Jiraiya's speed is not fast enough to overwhelm Pain, it won't overwhelm Sasuke with sharingan precog. Still amaterasu is a bit overrated and can be avoided through the use of clones or by hiding behind a tree, rock or whatever.
Sannin win with mid-high difficulty though since Sasuke can spam his MS techs all of which will be hard to deal with. Still the Sannin can stall long enough to prepare frog song. I don't think the Sannin can break through Sasuke's current form of susanoo, correct me if I am wrong.
Kirin can be prepped easily with enton spam but it is debable if it can even kill Orochimaru or Tsunade and Jiraiya has bunshin feints.
Summons are kind of useless but will serve to deplete Sasuke's stamina and as necessary distractions so that the Sannin don't get killed by susanoo arrow or amaterasu.
I think Sasuke can kill 1-2 Sannin before going down.
Sannin win with mid-high difficulty though since Sasuke can spam his MS techs all of which will be hard to deal with. Still the Sannin can stall long enough to prepare frog song. I don't think the Sannin can break through Sasuke's current form of susanoo, correct me if I am wrong.
Kirin can be prepped easily with enton spam but it is debable if it can even kill Orochimaru or Tsunade and Jiraiya has bunshin feints.
Summons are kind of useless but will serve to deplete Sasuke's stamina and as necessary distractions so that the Sannin don't get killed by susanoo arrow or amaterasu.
I think Sasuke can kill 1-2 Sannin before going down.
Slug Princess Tsunade
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Tsunade vs Sasuke---- Sasuke low-mid diff
Jiraiya vs Sasuke----- Sasuke mid diff
Sasuke vs Orochimaru----- Sasuke very high diff
Tsunade, Jiraiya, Orochimaru vs Sasuke------ Sannin mid-high diff.
Jiraiya vs Sasuke----- Sasuke mid diff
Sasuke vs Orochimaru----- Sasuke very high diff
Tsunade, Jiraiya, Orochimaru vs Sasuke------ Sannin mid-high diff.
Sasuke doesn't even need to use amatersu, he can spam Magatama and create projectiles which would require very little chakra. Clones can be detcted with EMS, and Sasuke can see chakra through solid objects and hindrances. Once the clouds are created, how long will Orochimaru last with a few Kirins?
Slug Princess Tsunade
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Tsunade and Orochimaru can survive the Susanoo arrows and the Magatama. Jiraiya can dodge them or use a doton jutsu to protect himself.
Tsunade can break the ground under the Susanoo, or Jiraiya can melt it with his swamp.
And I think a full-powered punch from Tsunade is as strong as the Kirin. Maybe she cant destroy the Susanoo, but Sasuke will feel the strenght of the punch.
I think the Sannin wins because of their team work and experience. But its possible that Sasuke kills Jiraiya or Tsunade before he loses.
Piratefish
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Amaterasu isn't and has never been immediately fatal, and SM Jiraiya is extremely durable. I agree that Jiraiya doesn't have sensing feats in Sage Mode, but it's equally possible that he does, and in any case has Shima and Fukasaku to do it for him. Ma's tongue releases an airborne paralytic, how does Sasuke deal with that? Fukasaku cut through a Boss Summon (in size at least) with ease, he could at least SCRATCH Susano'o, and any distraction could be fatal in a three on one battle, at least with THESE guys.
She may be capable of dodging them WITH PRIOR WARNING. Susano'o arrows, while ordinarily lethal, are not excessively powerful projectiles. They barely penetrate the bridge in the Danzo fight, and Kabuto (while not directly hit) isn't fazed at all.
Tsunade is no novice, she'll be going all out against an opponent of this caliber.
True, Byakugou would not last forever, but let's assume it will last at least a minute before she shrivels away, even on fire. She can, in that timeframe, accomplish a good amount.
You are severely underestimating Tsunade's willpower. If A was able to calmly cut his arm off while it was burning, Tsunade could function in combat. She's been shown to FORCIBLY overcome Hemophobia. She's also about to heal the Kages from mortal wounds while exhausted, suffering from major blood loss, highly chakra depleted and CUT IN HALF.
It doesn't need to be. It isn't SLOW, though.
Why do you assume Sasuke would be in control of the battle? He's facing three vastly more experienced opponents with unique and highly unpredictable styles (well, not Tsunade), and each is more intelligent than him in AT LEAST their own area of expertise.
Sasuke while using Susano'o is a slow-moving target, easily affected by sound, airborne toxins, and attacks to his bottom half. This gives the Sannin PLENTY of openings.
You rate Tsunade and Jiraiya as nonentities. You are wrong in that, at least.
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Putting sasuke up against the Sannin is sheer suicide, Sasuke cannot survive at all. Sharingans isnt all you know. tsunade can just immobilizeand murder him, jiraya can murder him, and orochimaru can brutalize him
@PirateFish
1: You need to look at the Hachibi panels then. Once the eye is focused for Amatersu, it spreads at an alarming speed. It engulfed the whole Hachibi in flames in a matter of few seconds, and it's about at least 70 - 80 times larger than an ordinary human. So yes, for Jariya it will be immediately fatal. Durable means what? He can't extinguish it once hit. What do you even mean by this?
Those tongue attacks would be laughable before a level 4 complete sussano. I can't believe you even brought it within this argument.
2: How? With prior information, she would suddenly receive a speed boost? It wouldn't help her in any way at all. As I said, Kakashi said that the arrows were 'Too Fast' that he 'had to resort to Kamui'. Otherwise, he would've been dead meat. What feat has this woman showed along with Jiriya as far as evasion of extremely fast attacks are concerned? None at all.
They did what?
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Arrows have penetrative properties, not destructive. In all the cases, his arrows have pierced clean through the target they hit. You are telling me that Jiriya and Tsunade's bodies are more durable than this cavern spike, or that bridge? And DSM Kabuto's speed is several leagues above theirs. They are nowhere NEAR in his league in this regard. He dodged it, because he's even faster than Kakashi's kamui warp point, and slightly faster than Amatersu's focused point, as he stepped back quickly when Sasuke aimed it at his feet to create a wall around himself and Itachi.
Their speed feats are laughable before his. At least reread the chapters before making such an outrageous comparison. DSM Kabuto would take these three out without breaking a sweat.
3: The Hachibi was unable to do anything other than writhe and scream like a 12 year old girl, but Tsunade would somehow overcome the immense pain that would've long crossed the body's pain threshold that the Hachibi was unable to, and perform some feats while Amatersu burns every cell in her body, eats through her flesh and bones, and burns through all her chakra? She won't accomplish anything once hit.
That was Kagtsuchi, aka, Enton. It was not meant to spread but was shaped around Sasuke's last ribcage to shield him. It was a defence move, not an offensive one. Enton itself is extremely weak, slow, and far less effective compared to Amatersu. If you think he was that confident, then why didn't he take an Amatersu hit? He used two techniques; body flicker and charged his armour to the max to side step it. He knew he would be burnt to a crisp if he got hit.
Cut in half is not equal to all the body engulfed in flames. She's able to act, as her upper body is undamaged by the tree, and is able to think, speak, and control her techniques. Once hit with Amatersu, her whole body would be under the assault of scorching, torrid flames. What would she do then? I am not underestimating her; you are severally over-estimating this woman, when she hasn't shown any speed or durability feats against Amatersu, heck no one has for the latter.
4 & 5: Are you implying that pulling out a scroll, and sealing amatersu magatama, raw amatersu or arrows is as fast as A's two techniques or Kamui warp point? So taking a whole scroll out and settling it on the ground, and then sealing the flames, is fast? Please tell me you are joking. Jariya and Tsunade are not smarter than Sasuke. Where did you get this? The former certainty isn't. Sasuke has been called a genius, a prodigy, and Gai said he is comparable to Kakashi yet you believe that in terms of battle strategy Jariya out-smarts Sasuke, and Tsunade, primarily a medic also does so?
Sasuke has shown several feats of high level intelligence throughout the manga; he outsmarted Orochumaru, figured out Haku's technique on his own, took on Bee in a very effective trial and error manner - he made mistakes, yet learned quickly and bounced back - during his fight with the Kages he cleverly outsmarted A, bested a Jounin, took out the ceiling to slink out to catch Danzo, and figured out his techniques on his own. If these are not intelligence feats then I don't know what are.
What have these two accomplished? They got their asses handed to them due to poor strategic planning against Hanzo, Jariya was shamefully beat by Pein; he died because of his sheer stupidity to continue on with the fight. Yet on the other hand, Sasuke knew he couldn't take on Orochimaru, he studied the snakes - a reference he made during his fight with Kabuto - and took him out with a clever opportunity. He knew Bee could prove troublesome hence he formed a team. This is intelligence.
Tsunade was brutally beaten by Kabuto, who overcame her technique to mess up his neuronal signals in a matter of seconds, and even commented he surpassed her when she was at the top of her game in her prime. She along with Shizune had such a poor team work strategy that they got their asses kicked by a single jounin level ninja? You call these people geniuses? Tsunade maybe bookish intelligent, but her battle strategy is ****ing hilarious; she's borderline stupid in this regard. She charged head on to take on Madara. What was she thinking when she had 4 people as back up? Should I continue?
And you are just assuming that those techniques are somehow fast enough to counter these two extremely fast techniques that none have avoided with base speed, or have used additional techniques to deflect them? All those things you mentioned would be useless against Sasuke as long as he is inside a complete sussano. Kabuto's DSM sound technique blocked out all of their senses and attacked that very specific one.
They are non-entities in this fight, just as Orochumaru conversely is a non-entity before Itachi's genjutsu. These techniques are too fast against either one of them. Jariya took out one path only and in his sage mode, and barely did so with one less arm and a badly beaten body. His speed feat and reflexes don't outmatch A's and Tsunade is too damn slow for these techniques. So yes, they are what they are in this fight.
1: You need to look at the Hachibi panels then. Once the eye is focused for Amatersu, it spreads at an alarming speed. It engulfed the whole Hachibi in flames in a matter of few seconds, and it's about at least 70 - 80 times larger than an ordinary human. So yes, for Jariya it will be immediately fatal. Durable means what? He can't extinguish it once hit. What do you even mean by this?
Those tongue attacks would be laughable before a level 4 complete sussano. I can't believe you even brought it within this argument.
2: How? With prior information, she would suddenly receive a speed boost? It wouldn't help her in any way at all. As I said, Kakashi said that the arrows were 'Too Fast' that he 'had to resort to Kamui'. Otherwise, he would've been dead meat. What feat has this woman showed along with Jiriya as far as evasion of extremely fast attacks are concerned? None at all.
They did what?
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- Sasuke’s arrow going clean through a very thick Cavern spike. Arrows have penetrative properties, not destructive. In all the cases, his arrows have pierced clean through the target they hit. You are telling me that Jiriya and Tsunade's bodies are more durable than this cavern spike, or that bridge? And DSM Kabuto's speed is several leagues above theirs. They are nowhere NEAR in his league in this regard. He dodged it, because he's even faster than Kakashi's kamui warp point, and slightly faster than Amatersu's focused point, as he stepped back quickly when Sasuke aimed it at his feet to create a wall around himself and Itachi.
Their speed feats are laughable before his. At least reread the chapters before making such an outrageous comparison. DSM Kabuto would take these three out without breaking a sweat.
3: The Hachibi was unable to do anything other than writhe and scream like a 12 year old girl, but Tsunade would somehow overcome the immense pain that would've long crossed the body's pain threshold that the Hachibi was unable to, and perform some feats while Amatersu burns every cell in her body, eats through her flesh and bones, and burns through all her chakra? She won't accomplish anything once hit.
That was Kagtsuchi, aka, Enton. It was not meant to spread but was shaped around Sasuke's last ribcage to shield him. It was a defence move, not an offensive one. Enton itself is extremely weak, slow, and far less effective compared to Amatersu. If you think he was that confident, then why didn't he take an Amatersu hit? He used two techniques; body flicker and charged his armour to the max to side step it. He knew he would be burnt to a crisp if he got hit.
Cut in half is not equal to all the body engulfed in flames. She's able to act, as her upper body is undamaged by the tree, and is able to think, speak, and control her techniques. Once hit with Amatersu, her whole body would be under the assault of scorching, torrid flames. What would she do then? I am not underestimating her; you are severally over-estimating this woman, when she hasn't shown any speed or durability feats against Amatersu, heck no one has for the latter.
4 & 5: Are you implying that pulling out a scroll, and sealing amatersu magatama, raw amatersu or arrows is as fast as A's two techniques or Kamui warp point? So taking a whole scroll out and settling it on the ground, and then sealing the flames, is fast? Please tell me you are joking. Jariya and Tsunade are not smarter than Sasuke. Where did you get this? The former certainty isn't. Sasuke has been called a genius, a prodigy, and Gai said he is comparable to Kakashi yet you believe that in terms of battle strategy Jariya out-smarts Sasuke, and Tsunade, primarily a medic also does so?
Sasuke has shown several feats of high level intelligence throughout the manga; he outsmarted Orochumaru, figured out Haku's technique on his own, took on Bee in a very effective trial and error manner - he made mistakes, yet learned quickly and bounced back - during his fight with the Kages he cleverly outsmarted A, bested a Jounin, took out the ceiling to slink out to catch Danzo, and figured out his techniques on his own. If these are not intelligence feats then I don't know what are.
What have these two accomplished? They got their asses handed to them due to poor strategic planning against Hanzo, Jariya was shamefully beat by Pein; he died because of his sheer stupidity to continue on with the fight. Yet on the other hand, Sasuke knew he couldn't take on Orochimaru, he studied the snakes - a reference he made during his fight with Kabuto - and took him out with a clever opportunity. He knew Bee could prove troublesome hence he formed a team. This is intelligence.
Tsunade was brutally beaten by Kabuto, who overcame her technique to mess up his neuronal signals in a matter of seconds, and even commented he surpassed her when she was at the top of her game in her prime. She along with Shizune had such a poor team work strategy that they got their asses kicked by a single jounin level ninja? You call these people geniuses? Tsunade maybe bookish intelligent, but her battle strategy is ****ing hilarious; she's borderline stupid in this regard. She charged head on to take on Madara. What was she thinking when she had 4 people as back up? Should I continue?
And you are just assuming that those techniques are somehow fast enough to counter these two extremely fast techniques that none have avoided with base speed, or have used additional techniques to deflect them? All those things you mentioned would be useless against Sasuke as long as he is inside a complete sussano. Kabuto's DSM sound technique blocked out all of their senses and attacked that very specific one.
They are non-entities in this fight, just as Orochumaru conversely is a non-entity before Itachi's genjutsu. These techniques are too fast against either one of them. Jariya took out one path only and in his sage mode, and barely did so with one less arm and a badly beaten body. His speed feat and reflexes don't outmatch A's and Tsunade is too damn slow for these techniques. So yes, they are what they are in this fight.