[Discussion] This should stop an argument between A and 4th

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OP, Minato doesnt need a kunai to teleport, all he need to do is to tag something, it can be a rock or a human being.

This should be obvious by now, Minato was always considered one of the fastest characters without FTG and Shisui Uchiha is probably as good as Minato, in terms of speed(both using shunshin), as reaction time its obvious by now that Minato got an insane reaction time, probably negative lol.

2nd Hokage knew FTG and people dont mention how fast he was.

For Raikage to even match Minato's reaction time, Raikage need to up it using lvl 2 raiton armor, that is how superior Minato is.

Now people are saying that Raikage "rawspeed" is faster than Minato.

The problem here is this:

People are considering Raikage's raiton armor as rawspeed and they shouldnt, raiton armor is a tec, like ftg is a tec, like shunshin is a tec, etc... and yup all of them needs chakra, minato used alot chakra to teleport the kyuubi

The manga already mentioned that Minato is one of the fastest character.

So we can assume that Minato rawspeed is superior to Raikage rawspeed.

It goes like this, lets put shunshin "inside of rawspeed":

Minato/Shisui Uchiha rawspeed/shunshin > Raikage rawspeed/shunshin (yet to see, but he doesnt use, minato/Shisui should be fast, manga mentions alot how fast them are, they even got nicknames...)

At the best, all the Raikage fans could say is this: We dont know yet how fast Raikage can be without raiton.

Now im going to speculate here:
Raikage Raiton armor > Minato/Shisui shunshin (could minato keep up only with shunshin? probably no, maybe raiton lvl 1, but i dont think so, anyway, i will give it to raikage)

Last chap makes it obvious:
Minato FTG > Raikage Raiton armor

Combo:
Minato shunshin + FTG + Reaction time >> Raikage Raiton armor + Reaction time.

Taking all these points, comon sense says that Minato is faster, Raikage said it better.

If Minato do a combination of shunshin + FTG + Reaction time , well its an insane killer combo, in the last chap Minato had advantage in that battle, he would have killed A and Bee.

If Minato tags you are dead, you would need to be up 24h wondering when minato would show up, its uber haxor tec, same thing as tobi, the difference is that minato need to tag something.

This image is what best defines Minato's speed:
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The thing about Minato is that, it seems just like "Tobi", people cant touch him, he puts a troll face and just go "no no no you cant touch me", but different than Tobi, he dont lose limbs around...

@Excite Tobi's tec is not faster, its "better" because there is "no limitation", Minato need to tag something, Tobi doesnt, that is why minato trolled him and he had to go home.
 

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Actually tobi is the fastest shinobi, minato mentioned that tobi's space time techinque that exceed the 2nd & 4th hokage



sorry dude, Minato wins the battle of speed FACT

one thing is teleporting and the other thing it's reacting to extreme speed. The reaction of Minato to A's full speed is extremely fast.

He was able to see A's fist when he attacked with his full speed.

Anyways

FTG, marks, seals + Minato vs A's Lighting Armor Speed = Minato wins

Minato vs A's Lighting Armor Speed = A wins

FTG, marks, seals + Minato vs A w/o Lighting Armor Speed = Minato wins

Minato vs A w/o Lighting Armor Speed = Minato wins

when you add all the results you get three wins for Minato and only 1 win for A.

But if knowing that A can defeat Minato without his Ftg, marks, seals makes you happy, then by all means you are welcome to think that way. It's not like it's going to change the FACT that Minato is faster than A lol.
 

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Define raw speed??
My definiton of raw speed is a speed with no techniques involve then look at my first link BUT you never see A without his ration armor techniques
Would you consider FTGT as a speed or spacetime?

So rawspeed for A is, consider when A grabbed white zetsu. No lightening armor.

So rawspeed for Minato is when he saved Kakashi. No FTGT

How can you compare those two?
 

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Fact: madara can teleport anywhere while minato is limited to where he place his seal kunai or seal and madara can erase his identity while teleport so no one can detect his charka and no attack can hit him while he make himself intangible
Theory mix with fact : madara have take time to do teleportation techniques here is why it took times for him to suck himself and then release himself while minato just appear at other place that while he can't dodge konan attack it take time for him to teleport
But that's a real deadly combination for tobi's space-time jutsu, tobi could of slipped all the way down to the ocean floor to avoided the attack but he needed konan to lower her guard and waste her chakra so he can attack and make konan reveal were nagato's eyes were.Yeah minato ftg is faster but whats the point if you dont have the special kunai with or have the mark on the exact location were you need it to be???




And yet we see Minato winning against him.

Either way it doesn't matter if it's Minato or Tobi, but it's not A that's for sure.
You make a good point can't argue about that ....




sorry dude, Minato wins the battle of speed FACT

one thing is teleporting and the other thing it's reacting to extreme speed. The reaction of Minato to A's full speed is extremely fast.

He was able to see A's fist when he attacked with his full speed.

Anyways

FTG, marks, seals + Minato vs A's Lighting Armor Speed = Minato wins

Minato vs A's Lighting Armor Speed = A wins

FTG, marks, seals + Minato vs A w/o Lighting Armor Speed = Minato wins

Minato vs A w/o Lighting Armor Speed = Minato wins

when you add all the results you get three wins for Minato and only 1 win for A.

But if knowing that A can defeat Minato without his Ftg, marks, seals makes you happy, then by all means you are welcome to think that way. It's not like it's going to change the FACT that Minato is faster than A lol.
Ok so if that's the case the reaction from minato when the raikage was about to hit him what happen if minato didn't have ftg???Now to the battle of sasuke vs raikage the reaction of sasuke dodging the raikage elbow thrust does that make sasuke faster???No and if minato reaction was so fast why did he need the ftg to dodge it???
 
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But that's a real deadly combination for tobi's space-time jutsu, tobi could of slipped all the way down to the ocean floor to avoided the attack but he needed konan to lower her guard and waste her chakra so he can attack and make konan reveal were nagato's eyes were.Yeah minato ftg is faster but whats the point if you dont have the special kunai with or have the mark on the exact location were you need it to be???
Madara have to use Izangi because he can avoid all attack for 5 min only but Konan can make an explosion last longer than 5 min.She can make an explosion last about 10 min
 

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Dude only uchia fans are saying A is faster, but when EVEN raikage said that minto is faster and backed up with facts, they can't argue any more. So let them argue, you know it, i know it, and all the manga readers who has a bit sense in their brains know it.
A moves faster. Minato ftg is a teleport, so it's better.
It's obvious that minato ftg is better, it's a tp, no1 would be faster


Edit; madara now is nothing compared to the real madara. He said that himself
 
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Read what Tsunade said in the last Manga, She was surprise that Naruto was able to keep up with the Raikage, and think about it Raikage has had to practice all His life to get were He is, Naruto at 17 has mach Him He has not yet reach His full potential yet, nor learn to mix Sage and Fox mode yet.
 

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Tbh it's more fun seeing all them Minato fanboys coming up with "facts" why their hero is faster then to actually reply in any serious way. Raikage said Minato was faster end of discussion so simply stop paying attention to it? You can't have everyone thinking the same way...
 
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I'm tired of these threads so i'm gonna post something that will contradict everything you said about the Fourth Raikage.

First of all look at this image.

Look at the last 5 panels
And


As you can see. Minato was able to catch naruto before Madara stabbed him and he did it without his FTG.
So Minato was infact very fast without it.

As stated by NarutoPedia below:

Even without using his Flying Thunder God Technique, Minato was fast enough to catch an infant Naruto mid-fall to prevent him from being stabbed by Madara.

Anything you have to say now?
 

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Dude only uchia fans are saying A is faster, but when EVEN raikage said that minto is faster and backed up with facts, they can't argue any more. So let them argue, you know it, i know it, and all the manga readers who has a bit sense in their brains know it.
damn straight i say it all the time thats minato is deadand a is still alive hahaha just playin
besides there jutsus are very different.
 

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sorry dude, Minato wins the battle of speed FACT

one thing is teleporting and the other thing it's reacting to extreme speed. The reaction of Minato to A's full speed is extremely fast.

He was able to see A's fist when he attacked with his full speed.

Anyways

FTG, marks, seals + Minato vs A's Lighting Armor Speed = Minato wins

Minato vs A's Lighting Armor Speed = A wins

FTG, marks, seals + Minato vs A w/o Lighting Armor Speed = Minato wins

Minato vs A w/o Lighting Armor Speed = Minato wins

when you add all the results you get three wins for Minato and only 1 win for A.

But if knowing that A can defeat Minato without his Ftg, marks, seals makes you happy, then by all means you are welcome to think that way. It's not like it's going to change the FACT that Minato is faster than A lol.
dude look again minato won because he was clever.
 

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sorry bro, but the A fanbois...one in particular will NOT agree with Kishi even though it's HIS story.....it's a good attempt.....but the A fanbois just don't seem to get it.
 

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@Excite Tobi's tec is not faster, its "better" because there is "no limitation", Minato need to tag something, Tobi doesnt, that is why minato trolled him and he had to go home.
Tobi technique is technically faster if tobi & minato needed to get to from point A to B (30 miles) and minato did'nt have the seal or kunai on that spot he'd be assed out plus`minato still has to waste time throwin his kunai around n marking spots...




Madara have to use Izangi because he can avoid all attack for 5 min only but Konan can make an explosion last longer than 5 min.She can make an explosion last about 10 min
Tobi could of slide under the ground to avoid the attacks really then teleported out of there if he wanted to, he is a earth user you know but i guess you did'nt understand the tobi plan
 
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Dude only uchia fans are saying A is faster, but when EVEN raikage said that minto is faster and backed up with facts, they can't argue any more. So let them argue, you know it, i know it, and all the manga readers who has a bit sense in their brains know it.
Well, I'm a fan of Itachi but I still know Minato is faster so I wouldn't say all Uchiha's fan think like that.
 

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in order for Minato to use FTG to his maximum ability he needed fast reaction time.
in the chaps a dude posted we saw Minatos' RAW speed.


Top secret convo between Kishi and a Raikage fan

Kishimoto : Minato was faster then Raikage, & if he was still alive he would still be faster.
Raikage worshipers on NB : NOOOOOOO you a noob Kishimoto Raikage IS FASTER RAAAAAA, Like I said Raikage is Faster, HMMMMMMMM Charge Raiton Armor . GOT IT .

Kishimoto "thinking" : This guy does realize I am the creator of Naruto, and have stated several times in the manga as well as telling him first hand that Raikage was never faster then Minato . I feel bad for this dude.
 

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Actually tobi is the fastest shinobi, minato mentioned that tobi's space time techinque that exceed the 2nd & 4th hokage

He's just stating that he has a better space-time technique (since he can warp through dimensions) not that he is faster.

Had he been faster than Minato he never would have been hit with the rasengan
 
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He's just stating that he has a better space-time technique (since he can warp through dimensions) not that he is faster.

Had he been faster than Minato he never would have been hit with the rasengan
look again minato he beat madara because he is clever. how many times do i got to say this.
 
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