[VS] Third Raikage vs Minato Namikaze
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Lol, all you've done is ask people to prove stuff that hasn't even been implied to be true. Lol. If you think the following things are true, please do us all a favor and prove it.
I probably shouldn't have butted in. Lol
- It isn't actual armor, that word was taken from another character's point of view. Madara also said that Naruto has the same Senjutsu of Six Paths he does. This isn't true when it was made clear tht Naruto uses Six Paths Sage Mode instead of Six Paths Coffin Seal. There is also that Ei was shocked that Sasuke's Chidori can pierce though him, yet he can chop off his own arm when it got burned.
- Your points have nothing to do whether or not RCM can electrocute people. Your third point didn't make any sense either.
- It isn't actual armor, that word was taken from another character's point of view. Madara also said that Naruto has the same Senjutsu of Six Paths he does. This isn't true when it was made clear tht Naruto uses Six Paths Sage Mode instead of Six Paths Coffin Seal. There is also that Ei was shocked that Sasuke's Chidori can pierce though him, yet he can chop off his own arm when it got burned.
Prove he was electrocuted first. Oh wait, he didn't.
Well, prove it did buffer through.
The Lightning Armor can electrocute people if Ay wants it to. The DB already says Ay doesn't use it offensively but that doesn't mean he cant, because he already did.
Not sure why this is even being brought up because Raiton is Raiton and it won't lack one property of the nature (electrocution ability) but hold all the others (piercing/cutting ability), it makes zero sense and it still doesn't change the outcome of this fight anyway (Minato wins) so why bother bringing it up?
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Not sure why this is even being brought up because Raiton is Raiton and it won't lack one property of the nature (electrocution ability) but hold all the others (piercing/cutting ability), it makes zero sense and it still doesn't change the outcome of this fight anyway (Minato wins) so why bother bringing it up?
Jiraiya had to draw a blood ritual on his face to summon them, doubt that Minato knows that same seal. Where did Fukusaku make that statement? Minato said he's never used SM in battle before.
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Actually jiraya only used that as a substitute way of summoning, instead of the normal blood method. I guess since jiraya had his hands occupied.
Also Minato knows jiraya sage mode, as he noted that naruto was able to use senjutsu like jiraya. So why wouldn't Minato know if he's seen jiraya do it before. If jiraya taught Minato senjutsu, and how to summon Toad's, then summoning the toad sages shouldn't be an issue.
People saying Minato can't summon Ma and Pa? Who taught him SM then?
Plus the DB says IIRC that anybody with anybody with his name on the toad summoning contract has access to ALL of the toads at Myoubokuzan.
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this is the db entry you're referring to:
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Although it does note that it depends on the summoners abilities of which toads the summoner can summon. But Yes, all the toads are a part of a single organisation, so a contract with them gives you access to them all.
I don't doubt Minatos ability at all, since he showed his skill in summoning Bunta against Kurama. His FCD was strong enough to hold down kurama (that jutsu's strength also depends on the ability of the user), and then later summons Gerotora (a scroll toad who is a "rare" species even amongst the other toads). Minato summoned Gerotora even after using RDS and being impaled by Kurama's claw. So to be able to summon rare toads in such a state like that shows that his ability in summoning isn't in question. Not to mention only fukasaku could've trained Minato in senjutsu, and they obviously know each other, due to Fukasakus comments on Minato in the past. Bunta even says to Fukasaku that Naruto resembles both Minato and Jiraya.
I really don't see this as a question that should even be brought up. Seems obvious to me that he was just as good as Jiraya in this department. Even his senjutsu was better.
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Lets give Minato the benefit of the doubt and say can summon Shima and Fukasaku, which is the only surefire way he'll beat the Raikage. What happens if he tries to summon Bunta/Ken/Hiro to hold off the Raikage?
- To summon the sage toads, Jiraiya had to perform an intricate blood ritual and had to stay still with his hands clasped against each other, essentially restricting his ability to mould and use chakra. The same thing will apply to Minato, whether he's a perfect sage or not.
- There's absolutely no way that any of the boss toads disposable to Minato can avoid getting the living shit kicked out of them by the Sandaime long enough for Minato to summon the sage toads in time. He can tank anything they throw at him, or dodge their attacks since he has good enough reflexes to dodge FRS twice, and has speed that caps out at v1 Yondaime which is still pretty fast.
- The second Minato's boss toad goes down, the ritual will be ruined since he'll have to use Hiraishin to avoid getting horribly dismembered by 1 fingered Hell Stab.
Minato has as good a chance as Jiraiya starting in base to win under these conditions if he tries to employ this strategy, and said chance isn't very good.
I'd also argue that Sandaime has a ranged attack in Raiton: Kuropansa that he can use to throw off Minato's ritual.
- To summon the sage toads, Jiraiya had to perform an intricate blood ritual and had to stay still with his hands clasped against each other, essentially restricting his ability to mould and use chakra. The same thing will apply to Minato, whether he's a perfect sage or not.
- There's absolutely no way that any of the boss toads disposable to Minato can avoid getting the living shit kicked out of them by the Sandaime long enough for Minato to summon the sage toads in time. He can tank anything they throw at him, or dodge their attacks since he has good enough reflexes to dodge FRS twice, and has speed that caps out at v1 Yondaime which is still pretty fast.
- The second Minato's boss toad goes down, the ritual will be ruined since he'll have to use Hiraishin to avoid getting horribly dismembered by 1 fingered Hell Stab.
Minato has as good a chance as Jiraiya starting in base to win under these conditions if he tries to employ this strategy, and said chance isn't very good.
I'd also argue that Sandaime has a ranged attack in Raiton: Kuropansa that he can use to throw off Minato's ritual.
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Jiraiya's blood ritual was required because of the fusing process.
And Fukasaku stated that here:
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Never go full retard bro. He had to keep his hands clasped together in order to summon Ma and Pa. Jiraiya wouldn't have gone through a complicated ritual if he could have just summoned them instantly.
Learning how to summon Ma and Pa =/= learning senjutsu.
Jiraiya fused with them after they were summoned. If he could have summoned them normally, he would have done so and then fused with them. The word "substitute" can't be interpreted as proof that either method of summoning would work. Why would Jiraiya have gone through a complicated ritual to summon them onto his body if he could have just summoned them normally and then fused?
Fukusaku knowing Minato's ability doesn't mean they fought in battle before. The Fourth Hokage was well known throughout the shinobi world and Fukusaku probably witnessed his strength when he was training him in senjutsu at Mt Myoboku. Regardless, if Fukusaku did teach Minato senjutsu then there's a likely possibility that he also taught him how to summon him.
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Because the databook states right there, for Jiraiya to enter in to Sm with them fused in his body, he uses that method.
I dunno where you're getting "they fused after they were summoned", when the databook excerpt that I quoted clearly says:
he can summon the legendary Two Great Toad Sages into his own body.
Not summon them then they fuse..he summons them INTO his own body. Not near him, not outside of him..in his own body. When they're summoned, they're fused in to him already.
The Ryosei technique(which is the technique fukasaku and shima use to fuse in to a body) is probably what requires the timelimit for Jiraiya to enter SM. Because as he's summoing them, they're having to focus to use it, and have to be summoned while fusing in to his body at the same time. Remember, they have to be completely still to gather his natural energy.
Shima summoned the entire "toad army", which included Fukasaku, by herself, instantly.
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Didn't require anything special.
Gold Lightning
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Like the other guy already said. Shima summoned like 5 toads with 0 effort. Nothing special required, and she's an old toad. Her body can't even contain as much chakra as a human being, yet nothing special was used.
Where are you getting this ritual stuff from, databook never mentions anything about special ritual or conditions to summon them. Jiraya just created the blood markings under his eyes as a method of summoning them directly into his body. Databook even states that Jiraya uses this method in place of the regular method:
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This "ritual" you are referring to is no more that a method of summoning the toads directly onto jirayas body, rather than the traditional way. Are we forgetting Jiraya cannot enter sage mode himself, hence why he needs the toads to be on him directly.
Of course Fukasaku taught Minato. Has nothing to do with reputation, Minato has been summoning toads since he was a child.
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lol @ old recycled " not enough firepower " argument . Pa and Ma frog song wreck + seals . Minato takes it mid diff .
And I'm saying that databook excerpt is wrong.
1. if Jiraiya could have insta-summoned them, and then take a few seconds to fuse with them using Amphibian technique, why didn't he do so? Why did he choose to use a long ritual instead when the former would have been far easier? That doesn't add up.
2. That entry says Jiraiya summons them into his body, when in reality he summoned them on to his body. So I'm taking that excerpt with a grain of salt.
Pretty sure there are different laws of summoning regarding when a Toad Elder like Shima summons her subjects, as opposed to a regular contract between a human and the toads. Unless you think Jiraiya can summon four boss toads + Pa with a regular summoning jutsu, just like that.
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Lol Sealing jutsu is enough, not sure why all these sage mode and toad arguments have been brought up. Or just drop him in the toad oil fountain and turn him to stone, like someone mentioned before.
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You can clearly see Ay's hand channeling the lightning into Mei's water dragon. It's not the chakra cloak, it's Ay himself channelling chakra into his hand, then placing his hand into the water dragon. Watch the anime and you'll get a better view of it.
No different to Sasuke channeling lightning into his sword.
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