Third Raikage, strongest Kage of all time?

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Who evers said muu is kidding because madara owned him and oonoki
not really since we dont know muus powers back then, and if he was as strong as in his final battle with 2nd mizukage. also madaras not a kage

any person with ability to absorb chakra can beat him, = rinnegan user , kisame.
not if they are too slow

Any uchiha good in genjutsu can beat him like : tobi,itachi,sasuke,madara etc..
if his son was too fast for genjutsu vs sasuke why wouldnt he be?

His shield cannot beat TBB
why not

2nd hokage are stronger than him
what feats suggest this?

2:Hiruzen
3: Third raikage
what feats suggest this?

because madara would own him like he did A.......
imo third is smarter more versatile and tough than his son

even sm naruto can beat him
without knowledge, no he cannot

He was Hokage in times when Third was Raikage and Hiruzen was stated as the strongest of all Kages in his times.
kishi hadnt thought of raikages powers yet
Hashirama
nope

4th raikage. Cos the son will always surpass the father
good luck to whatever son naruto has then lol.
Hiruzen cos manga says he was the strongest kage among the 5 kage during his era
kabutos opinion and hes a konoha shinobi spy. i doubt the other vilages had the same opinion.
 
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The main problem I have with this is that literally anyone can figure out that they should get him to stab himself like naruto did. Naruto made sure he was right before trying it, but all you have to do is think, I can't get through that shield; that lightning sword seems to cut through anything; hmmmmmmm.
 
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The main problem I have with this is that literally anyone can figure out that they should get him to stab himself like naruto did. Naruto made sure he was right before trying it, but all you have to do is think, I can't get through that shield; that lightning sword seems to cut through anything; hmmmmmmm.
naruto was told abt how he got that scar during a fight with the 8 tails.
he just figured out the rest himself
 

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It seems that you never took into account genjutsu while creating this thread. He has perfected shield and sword, but it has never stated anything about his genjutsu abilities. So while i don't think he could become raikage without being able to disperse some, but higher level genjutsu would 1 hit him.

Im thinkin people like Jiryia's toads, Sasuke, Itachi, Danzo, Madara,

P.S. Madara caught the current raikage in one, and he was never known for his amazing genjutsu.
 
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It's been stated already that Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage of all time and the strongest of the other kages at the time of his death. This thread should be about whether or not the third Raikage is the 2nd strongest kage of all time.
 

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Instead of saying "the manga said Hiruzen is the strongest" (which it has not DIRECTLY done) why don't you people tell me exactly what Hiruzen has shown that can allow him to defeat the Third Raikage? The truth is nothing, so you are all speculating and backing your claims up with no proof. I have given reason to suggest (look above) that Minato, Hashirama, Oonoki, Muu, the Second Mizukage, and all of the Kazekages (especially Gaara) would have a chance to defeat him. I used feats to prove my point, not hype, which is worth nothing in this scenario.
 

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Instead of saying "the manga said Hiruzen is the strongest" (which it has not DIRECTLY done) why don't you people tell me exactly what Hiruzen has shown that can allow him to defeat the Third Raikage? The truth is nothing, so you are all speculating and backing your claims up with no proof. I have given reason to suggest (look above) that Minato, Hashirama, Oonoki, Muu, the Second Mizukage, and all of the Kazekages (especially Gaara) would have a chance to defeat him. I used feats to prove my point, not hype, which is worth nothing in this scenario.
It has directly stated that
 

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Minato does not specialize in wind ninjutsu as far as we know. Also anyone with genjutsu, or non physical attacks such as seals and yin or yang release attacks can best him.
Anyone? That's stupidity of the highest level.With the Raikage speed, good luck trying to place him under genjutsu.Seals are useless unless you have the speed or a S/T ninjutsu to keep up with the Third Raikage and powerful sealing techs;and even if you had both of those things, it's highly doubtful you could seal the Third Raikage when he has chakra level of a tail beast.As for Yig Yang release, obviously you don't know what that is.The Third Raikage is the strongest Kage, but saying anyone with the technique you stated could beat him is baseless, ignorant, and clueless to the facts.

There are various people who could take him down :
1) third hokage sarutobi
2)Muu..
3)madara
4)pain
5)itachi
6)jiraya
and many others....
And you are basing your list of what exactly?The obvious name that can't beat The Third Raikage is Jiraiya.Even if Sage Mode, Jiraiya lacks the speed to keep up with him, the power to penetrate his lightning armor and his iron body, and the chakra level to last in a long fight.If the Third Raikage uses a strategy of attack and delay, Jiraiya only option would be to retreat.Muu is also questionable because I believe the Third Raikage long range attacks and his speed can counter Muu's dust release.Madara and Pain or obvious winners, while Itachi is up for debate.
 
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Most of you people are just trolling on my thread, yet you haven't proven anything besides statements based on opinions. This goes to some, not all of you, because some have actually proved their statements.
 

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Anyone? That's stupidity of the highest level.With the Raikage speed, good luck trying to place him under genjutsu.Seals are useless unless you have the speed or a S/T ninjutsu to keep up with the Third Raikage and powerful sealing techs;and even if you had both of those things, it's highly doubtful you could seal the Third Raikage when he has chakra level of a tail beast.As for Yig Yang release, obviously you don't know what that is.The Third Raikage is the strongest Kage, but saying anyone with the technique you stated could beat him is baseless, ignorant, and clueless to the facts.



And you are basing your list of what exactly?The obvious name that can't beat The Third Raikage is Jiraiya.Even if Sage Mode, Jiraiya lacks the speed to keep up with him, the power to penetrate his lightning armor and his iron body, and the chakra level to last in a long fight.If the Third Raikage uses a strategy of attack and delay, Jiraiya only option would be to retreat.Muu is also questionable because I believe the Third Raikage long range attacks and his speed can counter Muu's dust release.Madara and Pain or obvious winners, while Itachi is up for debate.
Or he could just use the frog song gen jutsu and kick some Raikage butt.
Part in italics: So what you're saying is the 3rd has tailed beast level chakra hence cant be sealed despite the fact that tailed beasts themselves can be sealed? Ok that makes perfect sense:rolleyes:
 
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Or he could just use the frog song gen jutsu and kick some Raikage butt.
Part in italics: So what you're saying is the 3rd has tailed beast level chakra hence cant be sealed despite the fact that tailed beasts themselves can be sealed? Ok that makes perfect sense:rolleyes:
Yeah but it takes a long time and prep to start that jutsu, and knowing the Raikage....he wouldn't allow it to go on. And remember, sage mode also takes a long time to complete so, as much as I like Jiraiya, his chances of winning are slim.....
 

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Okay his detachment of the primitive world technique is pretty cool. But how many times can they use it consistently? I know Oonoki only used two? On Mu, meaning it takes a lot of chakra to use it.

And also the Black Lightning technique is the same one used by Darui. And let's all be realistic, Darui is super strong, arguably, as strong as Kakashi. And the Third Raikage, being the mentor of Darui, I would expect to his Black Lightning to be stronger than Darui's.

I agree with the rest of what you said, though. :D
I forgot to mention in my previous post, that when i added Onoki in the list i meant an healthy Onoki (Not necessarily young) but without his back pain. xd

Onoki was using his Jinton against another jinton user who was also his master, and maybe more powerful then him, so to stop his attack onoki had to pour more chakra then what he uses for normal Jinton, since he had to overpower Muu's attack in order to protect himself and the other's, and he was also using various Doton based ninjutsu that's why he needed chakra from Tsunade to do a powerful Jinton attack.

But muu was not able to use jinton when he was split in half because it divided his chakra as well, so it is more or less true that a high lvl tecnique like that will demand more chakra then usual, but i do not think that it is as demanding that you can only use two or three attack, and specially when you are simply trying to attack a single target, like what onoki used on sasuke at the summit.

Well, with that being said, it actually does not matter for a jinton user that how many time he can hit his target, since it requires only one precise hit, and in this case Muu is Raikage's worst opponent, because he can turn invisible and hide his chakra signature and present completely from a person who does not has a Dojutsu to see him, he can go right behind him and hit him with a powerful jinton, and one hit that's all he is gonna need.

EDIT:Jinton user's use 3 different chakra nature's, and can use their attack's to create an opening for them to take a shot at their opponent.

Darui is a strong ninja and he has more chakra then Kakashi for that matter, but that black lightning was not really up to my expectation, he could not kill many of the zetsu clone even when he used it on a beech (Kakuzu simply jumped above and was not even affected by it),if that's all it has to offer then i do not think it will kill any of the mentioned, and even current kage in one hit even if it connect's (which is hard imo),

i know that 3rd Raikage will be stronger then him in that jutsu,but not much, see Muu and Onoki for example.

I am not disregarding his power lvl in any way, he is strong, but it is all about a bad match up, like if you put Garaa against Kisame, then there is not much he can do about it, because he uses sand for attack and defense and Kisame is a high lvl Suiton user who can create an entire lake in an instant.:)
 
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