Theory :The senju extinction

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Madara was the leader of the uchiha clan alongside his brother as the second commander.
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We know that the uchiha clan were the only clan that were strong enough to take down the senju clan.Other clans hired the uchiha clan whenever they have to fight the senju clan on several occasions.If the Senju clan were unbeatable ,madara and his clan would have perish long time ago.The uchiha may have taken down the most of the senju forces but hashirama family remain alive because they were protected by their clan and also because of hashirama unique KG Wood release

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After the death of izuna ,madara obatain the ems by izuna sharingan . Madara was fear by alot of clan,at the same time was praise for his power .

From what i understand madara had alll clan respect and Madara maybe capture most of them before he form konoha with the senju clan .
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This also show madara clan had control over sarutobi,shino clan,neji clan and the others that currently form konoha
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i believe the reason why the senju wanted the uchiha to join forces because they cannot beat them.The senju number were small compare to the uchiha because only hashirama,tobirama were strongest amongst the senju.
They could not find a mate from the senju ,that why mito uzamaki (decendent of the senju) were chosen to mate.The uzamaki number were also small.The uchiha clan number remain healthy even when clans from konoha.
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As i said before the uchiha clan were fear by others clans .The formation of konoha was the best choice to understand the uchiha strenght.Since the senju number was small compare to the uchiha ,the senju and the elder use a member from uchiha clan (itachi) to spy on them . The senju clan could not have taken down the clan by themselve,therefore they use itachi to do there dirty work.Itachi was young maybe around his early teen age years,therefore he could have been easy manipulated by the anbu black op organisation .

Wealso know that the uchiha wanted peace ,that why they wanted hashirama as their leader rather than madara.The uchiha did not like the treatment they were recieving so they forming an rebellion.The senju and the elders were afraid so they had to elimate them.

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1.The whole point of the thread is that the uchiha who maybe taken over other clans which made up konoha
2The senju clan was small they kinda play best friend witht he uchiha to understand their power,then elimate them.This is similar to the quote we use today "Your best friend could be your worst enemy'
3.Itachi was very young when he join the anbu.He could have been easily manipulated because of his maturity level was small.
4 Senju number were small hashirama-->tobirama--->tsunade ,similar to the saruto clan hiruzen sarutobi and his grand son konohamaru .They were consider to be hokage
5Tsunade is the last senju alive.EDO Madara is perfected.She have not chance for survival unless plot shield
 
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They got tired of the bloodshed and instead made a league and created Konoha.

I'd say the two clans were relatively equal, with Hashirama and Madara both being equal (although Hashirama gets the win).

Due to mistrust along with plots for a coup, the 3rd had Itachi eliminate the Uchiha :)

Also, the "Shino" and "Neji" clan? xd
 
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I like all the info man +rep on the work, But I really don't have the
time to read everything. But I will when I have the chance and give
you a proper review :)
 

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Senju > Uchiha. Younger son > Older son. Naruto > Sasuke. Good > Evil.

Good effort but your theory is invalid because the Senju could've wiped out the Uchiha if they really wanted to, they didn't need to make friends just to understand their power. The clans were pretty much even, but Uchiha were never > Senju.

+rep though for the effort.
 
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I don't really get what ur trying to say? The Uchiha had greater numbers . . . the senju were afraid of them . . . they felt they were a threat so Itachi was ordered to eliminate them . . . none of this stuff is new! (Although I'm sure the Senju had many powerful ninja besides Tobimaru and Hashirama).

By the way am I the only one who finds your sig a bit kinky Uchiha Macho! Sasuke looks like he's going for a Naruto ride!
 
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the senju number were small just like the sarutobi clan.Hashirama made the clan look strong because of his unique wood release .Tobirama had alot of good jutsu like edo tensi and water release.Other than that the senju was not important.
The uchiha clan had dominated most alliacne which made up konoha currently.Most clan fear the uchiha so the elder and the senju wanted them eliminated.The senju cannot take down the powerhouse of konoha (the uchiha) that why they use inside force (itachi throught the anbu ) to take them down rather than taking them down by themselve.

At the end of the day
The uchiha were greater than the senju
 

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Senju > Uchiha. Younger son > Older son. Naruto > Sasuke. Good > Evil.

Good effort but your theory is invalid because the Senju could've wiped out the Uchiha if they really wanted to, they didn't need to make friends just to understand their power. The clans were pretty much even, but Uchiha were never > Senju.

+rep though for the effort.
the uchiha never lost to the senju the older to the younger and we don't know if sasuke will lose against naruto but yes the senju were stronger clan BUT if all the uchihas could awaken full power like madara and his brother uchiha>senju
 

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I don't really get what ur trying to say? The Uchiha had greater numbers . . . the senju were afraid of them . . . they felt they were a threat so Itachi was ordered to eliminate them . . . none of this stuff is new! (Although I'm sure the Senju had many powerful ninja besides Tobimaru and Hashirama).

By the way am I the only one who finds your sig a bit kinky Uchiha Macho! Sasuke looks like he's going for a Naruto ride!
LOL!!!! I didn't notice it until you mentioned it - yea it's a bit ... uh ... interesting. :D
 

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I dont think the Senju could have wiped out the Uchiha. You never got to see either of their powers besides the 1st and 2nd hokage and madara's power. I dont think the 1st and 2nd could have beaten Madara and his brother. The 1st was a bad dude no doubt but his brother was strong but not strong enough to take on a MS. At least thats my take on it
 

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the uchiha never lost to the senju the older to the younger and we don't know if sasuke will lose against naruto but yes the senju were stronger clan BUT if all the uchihas could awaken full power like madara and his brother uchiha>senju
Lulz then what is the reason that Madara lost to hashirama?

Uchiha = Senju really and Hashirama was only a tiny bit stronger then Madara but Edo Madara is deff stronger bec he is basically Madara + Hashirama + Nagato in one body.


Uchiha = Senju they each have 1/2 of the RS powers for goodness sakes :shrug:
 
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the senju number were small just like the sarutobi clan.Hashirama made the clan look strong because of his unique wood release .Tobirama had alot of good jutsu like edo tensi and water release.Other than that the senju was not important.
The uchiha clan had dominated most alliacne which made up konoha currently.Most clan fear the uchiha so the elder and the senju wanted them eliminated.The senju cannot take down the powerhouse of konoha (the uchiha) that why they use inside force (itachi throught the anbu ) to take them down rather than taking them down by themselve.

At the end of the day
The uchiha were greater than the senju
Not according to Kishi xd

No, but seriously though, we don't have enough information about both sides to make a call like that. We really only know about Hashirama and his little brother and Madara and his little brother :)

There is no way to judge the abilities of the rest of the Uchiha and the rest of the Senju. We only know that BOTH clans were feared AND powerful.
 
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