Theory :The senju extinction

[Bigfoot34501]

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Madara was the leader of the uchiha clan alongside his brother as the second commander.

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We know that the uchiha clan were the only clan that were strong enough to take down the senju clan.Other clans hired the uchiha clan whenever they have to fight the senju clan on several occasions.If the Senju clan were unbeatable ,madara and his clan would have perish long time ago.The uchiha may have taken down the most of the senju forces but hashirama family remain alive because they were protected by their clan and also because of hashirama unique KG Wood release

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After the death of izuna ,madara obatain the ems by izuna sharingan . Madara was fear by alot of clan,at the same time was praise for his power .

From what i understand madara had alll clan respect and Madara maybe capture most of them before he form konoha with the senju clan .

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This also show madara clan had control over sarutobi,shino clan,neji clan and the others that currently form konoha

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i believe the reason why the senju wanted the uchiha to join forces because they cannot beat them.The senju number were small compare to the uchiha because only hashirama,tobirama were strongest amongst the senju.
They could not find a mate from the senju ,that why mito uzamaki (decendent of the senju) were chosen to mate.The uzamaki number were also small.The uchiha clan number remain healthy even when clans from konoha.

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As i said before the uchiha clan were fear by others clans .The formation of konoha was the best choice to understand the uchiha strenght.Since the senju number was small compare to the uchiha ,the senju and the elder use a member from uchiha clan (itachi) to spy on them . The senju clan could not have taken down the clan by themselve,therefore they use itachi to do there dirty work.Itachi was young maybe around his early teen age years,therefore he could have been easy manipulated by the anbu black op organisation .

Wealso know that the uchiha wanted peace ,that why they wanted hashirama as their leader rather than madara.The uchiha did not like the treatment they were recieving so they forming an rebellion.The senju and the elders were afraid so they had to elimate them.

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1.The whole point of the thread is that the uchiha who maybe taken over other clans which made up konoha
2The senju clan was small they kinda play best friend witht he uchiha to understand their power,then elimate them.This is similar to the quote we use today "Your best friend could be your worst enemy'
3.Itachi was very young when he join the anbu.He could have been easily manipulated because of his maturity level was small.
4 Senju number were small hashirama-->tobirama--->tsunade ,similar to the saruto clan hiruzen sarutobi and his grand son konohamaru .They were consider to be hokage
5Tsunade is the last senju alive.EDO Madara is perfected.She have not chance for survival unless plot shield

I'll rep you for the effort Macho, but I have a few problems with your theory

First of all, if the Senju were that depleted in numbers and that weak by the time they formed Konoha, then the Uchiha should have kicked their asses and eliminated them once and for all. Hashirama offering Madara a truce would have been a sign of weakness if the Uchiha knew that the Senju had depleted their numbers that much. I do not think that Hashirama and Tobirama and a few other Senju members could beat an Uchiha clan with superior numbers and an EMS Madara. The only way the Uchiha would want peace is if they felt that the Senju clan could possibly wipe them out if they fought long enough. Of course the Uchiha could have also possibly eliminated the Senju, but why chance that when the Senju were offering an end to the fighting

Second, your timeline is a little off with the Senju wanting to eliminate the Uchiha with Itachi. That was mainly those two elders and Danzo's doing with some obvious help from Hiruzen. Also it has been stated that the reason Itachi killed his entire clan was because he knew that a Civil War in Konoha could start the Fourth Great Shinobi World War if other Hidden Villages got involved and tried invading the Fire country

The reason Itachi became a peace loving pacifist was because he saw all of the death and destruction during the Third Great Shinobi World War and never wanted to see such a thing happen again. The Senju had nothing to do with brainwashing Itachi with that ideology, he did that himself

ALTHOUGH it is true that the Senju were the reason that the Uchiha wanted to rebel in the first place. But still, killing all of them off was for the greater good of Konoha. Itachi and the Third didn't just butcher all of them because they were racist against the Uchiha and wanted to eliminate them once and for all

 

[Uchicha Macho]

I'll rep you for the effort Macho, but I have a few problems with your theory

First of all, if the Senju were that depleted in numbers and that weak by the time they formed Konoha, then the Uchiha should have kicked their asses and eliminated them once and for all. Hashirama offering Madara a truce would have been a sign of weakness if the Uchiha knew that the Senju had depleted their numbers that much. I do not think that Hashirama and Tobirama and a few other Senju members could beat an Uchiha clan with superior numbers and an EMS Madara. The only way the Uchiha would want peace is if they felt that the Senju clan could possibly wipe them out if they fought long enough. Of course the Uchiha could have also possibly eliminated the Senju, but why chance that when the Senju were offering an end to the fighting

Second, your timeline is a little off with the Senju wanting to eliminate the Uchiha with Itachi. That was mainly those two elders and Danzo's doing with some obvious help from Hiruzen. Also it has been stated that the reason Itachi killed his entire clan was because he knew that a Civil War in Konoha could start the Fourth Great Shinobi World War if other Hidden Villages got involved and tried invading the Fire country

The reason Itachi became a peace loving pacifist was because he saw all of the death and destruction during the Third Great Shinobi World War and never wanted to see such a thing happen again. The Senju had nothing to do with brainwashing Itachi with that ideology, he did that himself

ALTHOUGH it is true that the Senju were the reason that the Uchiha wanted to rebel in the first place. But still, killing all of them off was for the greater good of Konoha. Itachi and the Third didn't just butcher all of them because they were racist against the Uchiha and wanted to eliminate them once and for all

so why the elders or the senju did not take down the uchiha by themselve or even hire the anbu ninja against them?They use the uchiha member because they cannot compete against a sharingan users/uchiha

 

[Bigfoot34501]

so why the elders or the senju did not take down the uchiha by themselve or even hire the anbu ninja against them?They use the uchiha member because they cannot compete against a sharingan users/uchiha

Well duh, using Itachi was a smart albeit dirty thing to do. It's much easier to have an Uchiha that's already inside to cut everyone's throat while their sleeping. Using an anbu team would have been risky if they somehow woke everyone up before they killed everyone, and then the Konoha Civil War would begin. That's exactly what Itachi didn't want to happen

 

[GofOfNothing]

Senju > Uchiha. Younger son > Older son. Naruto > Sasuke. Good > Evil.

Good effort but your theory is invalid because the Senju could've wiped out the Uchiha if they really wanted to, they didn't need to make friends just to understand their power. The clans were pretty much even, but Uchiha were never > Senju.

+rep though for the effort.

There is a mistake Senju=Uchiha Hashirama=Madara Naruto=Sasuke but Good>Evil
The good ones will win but not because they are so much stronger

 

[Sasuke4115]

:drive: and GTFO all those who just wanna hate gr8 job bro

 

[cmilius]

I just know this, if this guy isn't on dope, then he's the dumb ass guy there is on this base.
Learn to read man, seriously creating a thread with nonsense, even tobi stated madara feared, respect and hated hashirama senju. +rep 4 not understand the manga.

 

[skoraxascended]

I don't think the senju were exllusive with their relationships and most likely have mated into other clans, so more likely those whose name is senju are rare (but not gone or straight up not shown) or they just don't go by that name anymore (as they maybe in other villages as well)

as far as your idea on Madara being stronger than the first and madara fighting him and bailing in the fight to get his dna is wrong
if he was straight up stronger than hashi he would have just killed him plain and simple

and just as one of your pics showed Kabuto (as written by Kishi not a fan or anyone else) EVERYONE feared and respected the 1st

you also go on alot of speculation that as a whole the uchihas themselves are stronger than the senju's yes we have seen Sasuke Madara and Itachi as extremely strong Uchihas but we have very few shown Senjus to compare them to

this is only due to Kishi not giving the senju enough spotlight as they are currently coming off as abit more mysterious

yes I know and I have seen your threads where if the character has Uchiha in their name they are automatically superior to anyone else in the manga sorry but thats not true no matter how you try and twist it

 

[Uchicha Macho]

The last manga was mistranslated and kiri rei solve the problem

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Madara is better than the first hokage

 

[skoraxascended]

The last manga was mistranslated and kiri rei solve the problem

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Madara is better than the first hokage

edo yes but not the original madara

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as it straight up says that the 1st was stronger than madara in life

so even with the translation from rei it's still

in life
1st>Madara

Edo Madara ~ 1st

so no madara is not better than the first, he didn't lose the fight on purpose to get his dna he was "weaker" than Hashirama