[Theory] The Rinnegan Was Not Yet Fully Awakened When Madara Initially Awoke It

[Chīkara]

Not saying he is right, but as far as we know you don't need to master anything with the sharingan to use izanagi, you just need a base sharingan, this is just a case of Kishimoto not explaining how one gains an ocular power, it's like the user knows how to use the power instinctively, so this may be the case for the rinne tensei jutsu of the rinnegan.

BTW I don't agree 100% with the thread

me neither this threads might have some flaws

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I think you just need sharingan +rinnegan to fully use the rinnegan abilty's thats the reason the first thing madara did
Was somethin nagato never did because he cant. We might see some more from te rjnnegan now. Not to mention madara used the PS with his rinnegan

That is conjecture.

 

[Disquiet]

Because the Sage was originally an Uzumaki. The Uzumaki is the original bloodline



I beg to differ.

Why would Madara tell him even if he doesn't awaken Madara's rinnegan when Madara's rinnegan was already awakened?

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Why would Madara tell him even if he doesn't awaken Madara's rinnegan when Madara's rinnegan was already awakened?

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The initial awakening of the Rinnegan is what Madara meant in the panel above ^. The full awakening of its' powers is what Madara meant in 606, it is an equivocation in your part to assume that Madara was talking about the same thing (Initial Awakening, Full Awakening)

 

[Twin Steps]

Seems logical, explains why obiyo was able to use the gedo mazo easier than nagato did in the past

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Seems logical, explains why obiyo was able to use the gedo mazo easier than nagato did in the past

Well for one thing, Nagato was impaired, Obito was not, the Rinnegan was not yet fully awakened back then, Obito was using a fully awakened Rinnegan courtesy of Nagato.

 

[Disquiet]

The initial awakening of the Rinnegan is what Madara meant in the panel above ^. The full awakening of its' powers is what Madara meant in 606, it is an equivocation in your part to assume that Madara was talking about the same thing (Initial Awakening, Full Awakening)

Your assuming that he isn't. Not only that, but is ignoring the obvious.

Lol answer me this. If he is telling Obito that even if he don't awaken Madara's rinnegan, why was Madara expecting to be revived by Nagato? Madara never planned to have Obito with the rinnegan in the first place. It is simply obvious that he is referring to Obito's potention to awaken his own rinnegan.

 

[VongolaX]

Because the Sage was originally an Uzumaki. The Uzumaki is the original bloodline



I beg to differ.

Seriously? Using speculations now. IF senju+uchiha= uzamaki, then why did both uzamaki's we know ended up getting cought in genjustu's rather easily

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Your assuming that he isn't. Not only that, but is ignoring the obvious.

Lol answer me this. If he is telling Obito that even if he don't awaken Madara's rinnegan, why was Madara expecting to be revived by Nagato? Madara never planned to have Obito with the rinnegan in the first place. It is simply obvious that he is referring to Obito's potention to awaken his own rinnegan.

Because Nagato was always intended to revive Madara, you are becoming incoherent by connecting unrelated propositions, If Nagato was going to revive Madara, then Obito having the Rinnegan which is not part of the plan makes Madara imply that what he was talking about in 606 was Obito's own Rinnegan awakening? you're not making much logical sense tbh.

 

[Disquiet]

Because Nagato was always intended to revive Madara, you are becoming incoherent by connecting unrelated propositions, If Nagato was going to revive Madara, then Obito having the Rinnegan which is not part of the plan makes Madara imply that what he was talking about in 606 was Obito's own Rinnegan awakening? you're not making much logical sense tbh.

@Bold Exactly. You said it yourself.


Madara was referring to Obito awakening his own Rinnegan. It wasn't part of the plan for Obito to ever get Madara's rinnegan. That page would imply that it is part of the plan, which you yourself admitted it's not.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

@Bold Exactly. You said it yourself.


Madara was referring to Obito awakening his own Rinnegan. It wasn't part of the plan for Obito to ever get Madara's rinnegan. That page would imply that it is part of the plan, which you yourself admitted it's not.

It is a leap in logic that you are assuming Madara was talking about Obito awakening his own Rinnegan. what are you talking about?! I merely bolded the illogical proposition you are stating. It is you who is proposing that not me xd I am merely clarifying for the sake of the viewers of the thread what you are actually trying to imply, which is illogical disconnected and incoherent. Oh so you fixed it good xd

 

[Disquiet]

It is a leap in logic that you are assuming Madara was talking about Obito awakening his own Rinnegan. what are you talking about?! I merely bolded the illogical proposition you are stating. It is you who is proposing that not me xd

Lol you are trolling, and destroying your own thread in the process. If you are saying it's not logical to you, or that you can't comprehend that Madara is referring to Obito's awakening his own rinnegan. Then okay. Let's stop here. xd

 

[VongolaX]

@Bold Exactly. You said it yourself.


Madara was referring to Obito awakening his own Rinnegan. It wasn't part of the plan for Obito to ever get Madara's rinnegan. That page would imply that it is part of the plan, which you yourself admitted it's not.

Nagato is suitable for the eyes just like kakashi with the sharingan who copied one thouand justus, but we haven't seen any uchiha go to that extent. Just like when madara and obito use one move from the rinnegan, they don't need to go that far. Just like you bolded nagato's purpose was to revive madara, and why? Longevity

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It is a leap in logic that you are assuming Madara was talking about Obito awakening his own Rinnegan. what are you talking about?! I merely bolded the illogical proposition you are stating. It is you who is proposing that not me xd I am merely clarifying for the sake of the viewers of the thread what you are actually trying to imply, which is illogical disconnected and incoherent. Oh so you fixed it good xd

Madara was referring to Obito awakening his own Rinnegan. It wasn't part of the plan for Obito to ever get Madara's rinnegan. That page would imply that it is part of the plan, which you yourself admitted it's not.

What is this leap in logic you are proposing? because Nagato did not revive him with Rinne Tensei, then that implies that Madara was talking about Obito's own Rinnegan awakening in the event of an incident that hasn't occur yet during the time he spoke of it? (nagato's betrayal) that is absurd xd

 

[KingHashirama]

Manga disagrees with your theory. ^_^.

Obito incident was unexpected.

However , if he was able to summon the gedo from the MOON.. then hes better then Nagato. . Who was only part senju and was simply carrying the Rinnegan for Madara's Resurrection.

 

[Disquiet]

It is a leap in logic that you are assuming Madara was talking about Obito awakening his own Rinnegan. what are you talking about?! I merely bolded the illogical proposition you are stating. It is you who is proposing that not me xd I am merely clarifying for the sake of the viewers of the thread what you are actually trying to imply, which is illogical disconnected and incoherent. Oh so you fixed it good xd

What is this leap in logic you are proposing? because Nagato did not revive him with Rinne Tensei, then that implies that Madara was talking about Obito's own Rinnegan awakening in the event of an incident that hasn't occur yet during the time he spoke of it? (nagato's betrayal) that is absurd xd

Lol such a troll. Madara wasn't speaking in anticipation of Nagato's betrayal. Even "if' you awaken the rinnegan. That right there should clear it up.

 

[Sot viing hun]

What is this leap in logic you are proposing? because Nagato did not revive him with Rinne Tensei, then that implies that Madara was talking about Obito's own Rinnegan awakening in the event of an incident that hasn't occur yet during the time he spoke of it? (nagato's betrayal) that is absurd xd

No..., are you really not understanding his point?, or are you deliberately doing this because you refuse to give him that point?

It's as clear as day that Madara meant that it didn't matter whether Obito awakened the Rinnegan or not, with the power of both senju and uchiha he can still control the mazou and use Yin–Yang Release, Nagato was the one entrusted with the resurrection obviously.

 

[KingHashirama]

No..., are you really not understanding his point?, or are you deliberately doing this because you refuse to give him that point?

It's as clear as day that Madara meant that it didn't matter whether Obito awakened the Rinnegan or not, with the power of both senju and uchiha he can still control the mazou and use Yin–Yang Release, Nagato was the one entrusted with the resurrection obviously.

The bolded paragraph is the truth.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

No..., are you really not understanding his point?, or are you deliberately doing this because you refuse to give him that point?

It's as clear as day that Madara meant that it didn't matter whether Obito awakened the Rinnegan or not, with the power of both senju and uchiha he can still control the mazou and use Yin–Yang Release, Nagato was the one entrusted with the resurrection obviously.

Because it's completely false, he is trying to imply that Madara was talking about Obito's own Rinnegan awakening when it is clear as daylight that Madara was talking about the further awakening of his own Rinnegan. xd

Lol such a troll. Madara wasn't speaking in anticipation of Nagato's betrayal. Even "if' you awaken the rinnegan. That right there should clear it up.

He said "even if you don't awaken the Rinnegan"

And even if you look at the original text it says

Although the eye of Samsara(Rinnegan) is not open, you should be able to handle this power

The eye, meaning the eye is already existing, not your eye is not opened, the eye in question is already in existence. Not this "hypothetical Obito's Rinnegan" you are proposing xd

 

[Sot viing hun]

Because it's completely false, he is trying to imply that Madara was talking about Obito's own Rinnegan awakening when it is clear as daylight that Madara was talking about the awakening of his own Rinnegan. xd



He said "even if you don't awaken the Rinnegan"

Madara said that half of Obito's body is made of Hashirama's cells, then he said that even if he don't awaken the rinnegan(with half the body of Hashirama) he can still control the mazou.

Madara is implying that Obito has the potential to awaken it because he has half senju body.