[Theory] The Reason Why Rinne Tensei'ing an Edo Zombie Causes Death To The Caster

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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The contradictory between Obito's and Konan's statements should make it quite clear, your argument has lost it's base.

You know that strike three your out, so don't push it

 

[Waltz]

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You know that strike three your out, so don't push it

Irrelevant conclusion much? Am done here, your unable to keep the essence of an argument.

 

[Kages]

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Great theory!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Great theory!

Thanks! xd

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Don't disrespect my homie

It's ok, thanks for the backup

 

[Space Cowboy]

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Its quite possible, although there isnt a lot of reasoning behind why exactly rinne tensei on an edo is fatal as opposed to just a normal person. Not sure though because it is very strange how Konan mentioned his chakra levels. The rinnegan has the ability to take souls, so why not have the ability to give them back as well with about an equal chakra cost? After all Nagato did revive basicially the entire village so it makes sense that he died and doesnt really debunk your theory. Well see in the coming chapters i suppose.

 

[Transcendence]

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This is called Hypothesis. Not Theory. there's a huge difference.

They're synonymous xd

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Its quite possible, although there isnt a lot of reasoning behind why exactly rinne tensei on an edo is fatal as opposed to just a normal person. Not sure though because it is very strange how Konan mentioned his chakra levels. The rinnegan has the ability to take souls, so why not have the ability to give them back as well with about an equal chakra cost? After all Nagato did revive basicially the entire village so it makes sense that he died and doesnt really debunk your theory. Well see in the coming chapters i suppose.

Well it could be that reviving someone with RT who is in edo form would magnify the chakra amount needed to perform it.

Because it's like this when you revive someone with RT the soul resides in the Pure World and reanimates in the world of the living, but to RT someone in Edo form, would take the soul from the impure world, resend it back to the pure world, and reanimate it again in the impure world = more chakra amount

RT normal dead person:

Pure World ------------ RT-----------Impure World = high chakra amount needed


RT an Edo:

Impure World ------------ Pure World------------ RT-------- Impure World = much higher chakra amt
................ resend to

 

[bigblunts420]

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Well it could be that reviving someone with RT who is in edo form would magnify the chakra amount needed to perform it.

Because it's like this when you revive someone with RT the soul resides in the Pure World and reanimates in the world of the living, but to RT someone in Edo form, would take the soul from the impure world, resend it back to the pure world, and reanimate it again in the impure world = more chakra amount

RT normal dead person:

Pure World ------------ RT-----------Impure World = high chakra amount needed


RT an Edo:

Impure World ------------ Pure World------------ RT-------- Impure World = much higher chakra amt
................ resend to

well first of all now we are speculating.
now to play this game rting an edo would cost 2 as much as rting a normal dead person. nagato resurrected thousands. im not sure if the power of the person matters but lets say it does because otherwise your theory would be disproved. so the power of the person make a difference in needed chakra therefore the main factor would be his power not being an edo.

or it could be how long his sole has been dead for,
then again it could be all 3 factors the point is we dont have the any clues why its the case

 

[Voltron]

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absolutely agree.... I posted somewhere earlier that the rinne tensei no jutsu would not kill obito because Konan was worried about nagato's chakra levels....

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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absolutely agree.... I posted somewhere earlier that the rinne tensei no jutsu would not kill obito because Konan was worried about nagato's chakra levels....

Thanks for agreeing.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

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there could be many reasons to why obito would die if used the rinne tensei (other than the one you mentioned), but i agree on what you said bro (it kills when you want to revive an edo). nice theory

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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there could be many reasons to why obito would die if used the rinne tensei (other than the one you mentioned), but i agree on what you said bro (it kills when you want to revive an edo). nice theory

Thank you very much.

 

[KingHashirama]

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Bro, explain to me the main point.

The main point is that Rinne-tensei doesn't require the user to die?

But the thing is it does

 

[Chuggs]

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Its most likely that Nagato and Konan were simply missinformed about that jutsu in case Nagato wasn't willing to sacrifice his own life to revive Madara.

 

[ROSH2]

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I have come to the conclusion that Rinne Tensei No Jutsu does not kill the caster when reviving a dead person, but kills the caster when reviving an Edo Tensei Zombie like Madara.

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Take a look at this:

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Konan was concerned with the idea of Nagato casting Rinne Tensei based on his low chakra levels, if Rinne Tensei automatically kills the person who casts it, then Konan would not have been worried with Nagato's low chakra levels when performing the jutsu, but she was, which leads me to conclude that the caster who has an adequate or surplus levels of chakra would not die upon casting Rinne Tensei.


This leads me to believe that Tobi/Obito really did intend to revive Madara:

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Why would Tobi lament on Nagato's death and the waste of Rinne Tensei if Tobi didn't plan to revive Madara all along? you can clearly see how disappointed he was about what happened, and he said "It (Rinne Tensei) is supposed to be for me" meaning the use/purpose of the Rinne Tensei No Jutsu was supposed to be for his purpose, and who was the person that needed reviving based on the faithful idea of the Eye of the Moon Plan? Madara Uchiha.

So Tobi wanted to revive Madara, he laments on the loss of Nagato and Rinne Tensei, and I have already established that based on Konan's words, the caster does not die casting Rinne Tensei as long as the caster has an adequate and healthy amount of chakra reserves (which Nagato didn't have when he casted it that lead to his death) so it's highly probable that Tobi intended to retrieve the Rinnegan and revive Madara

But, there was a problem: 30-40+ chapters later, this happened:

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Kabuto Edo Tensei's Madara:

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Now if Tobi intended all along to revive Madara and saw him being reanimated with Edo Tensei inside that coffin, then why was he uncomfortable with the idea of having Edo Madara around who may popped out of that coffin if Kabuto wished him to.

The Answer: Tobi knows that if he revives Madara while he is still an Edo, he(Tobi) will die when he uses Rinne Tensei

It is my theory, that since Tobi immediately recognized the technique (when Kabuto first shows the edo akatsuki members, he immediately recognizes it as Edo Tensei) he has the knowledge that reviving an Edo Zombie with Rinne Tensei would cause death to the caster He probably got this knowledge from Madara (since Madara himself recognizes the technique when he popped out of that coffin)

That is why Tobi was so eager to know how to cancel the technique:

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You can see how the word "stop" was bolded? you can see Tobi's eagerness to know how to stop the technique, but why would he want to know how to unsummon the Edo zombies if the zombies serve as his military force in the war?

The Answer: He wanted to know how to unsummon the Edo Tensei of Madara so he can revive Madara's spirit from the Pure World so he (Tobi) didn't have to die casting Rinne Tensei to revive him (Madara)

That is why Tobi was so frustrated when he found out that Kabuto finally let Edo Madara out of his coffin, Tobi lost his chance to release Madara's spirit back to the afterlife

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Now he has no choice but to revive Madara while in Edo form, which would cost him his life, and I'm sure Edo Madara will insist on his revival even under Edo form, because it is highly doubtful if Madara would allow his soul to be unsummoned again back to the afterlife and gamble his chances of Tobi reviving him with Rinne Tensei afterwards (Edo Madara was already there, why would he (Madara) want to unsummon himself back to the afterlife?) Naturally Madara wants to get the show on the road without further delays, so Tobi is now stuck with the prospect of death from reviving Madara while under Edo Tensei.

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Now we see the discussion here between Tobi/Obito and Edo Madara regarding his (Madara's) revival with Rinne Tensei while under Edo Tensei form:

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You can see that Obito is in a serious dilemma, and I think I know why:

I think Obito is incapable of becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki himself because half of his body is artificial

So he needed someone with a full living body to become the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, he needed Madara as a real living body rather than an Edo Zombie. which leads to his very serious dilemma:

a.) He doesn't revive Edo Madara with Rinne Tensei, but the Juubi will break free from their control, thus the Eye of the Moon Plan (their goal) will fail.

or

b.) He revives Edo Madara with Rinne Tensei so that Madara could become the Juubi's Jinchuuriki but he would die in the process of using Rinne Tensei.

So which is more important to him? his (Obito's) life, or his ideals? Is Obito willing to sacrifice his life for the ideology he and Madara shares, we will find out in the upcoming chapters.

None the less:

My conclusion is this: Obito wanted to revive Madara all along with Rinne Tensei, but Kabuto jeopardized his plan by reviving Madara with Edo Tensei, and reviving someone under Edo Tensei would cost the caster of Rinne Tensei his own life resulting to death.





UPDATE

Why Rinne Tensei'ng an Edo causes death compared to RT a normal dead person:

I think the reason is that trying to revive an Edo with RT instead of a normal dead person would magnify the chakra cost to the point that it would definitely result in the caster's death

Take for example Edo Tensei the soul is summoned from the Pure World to reanimate in the Impure World The same can be said of Rinne Tensei The soul from the Pure World is summoned back to its' body in the Impure World.

But to Rinne Tensei an Edo, that would mean that the soul in the impure world is sent back to the pure world and resummoned again in the impure world which most probably magnifies the chakra amount needed to perform it resulting in the caster's demise.

RT normal dead person:

Pure World ------------ RT-----------Impure World = high chakra amount needed


RT an Edo:

Impure World -----------Pure World-----------RT------ Impure World= much higher chakra needed

dude what a coincidence yesterday I thought this theory & I thought create my thread today,what to do u created it first

 

[Prime Rib]

Re: [Theory] : Obito and Madara: Rinne Tensei Causes Death Only When Using It On An E

Its been confirmed u die when u use the technique. Konan was worried about his chairs cause he intended to revive all of those who died

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Bro, explain to me the main point.

The main point is that Rinne-tensei doesn't require the user to die?

But the thing is it does

It does when used on an Edo Zombie.

 

[Killer Vision]

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Bro, explain to me the main point.

The main point is that Rinne-tensei doesn't require the user to die?

But the thing is it does

We've only seen the Rinne Tensei no Jutsu performed once and on that instance the user had severely low chakra level prior to using it so his theory is possible.

Its been confirmed u die when u use the technique. Konan was worried about his chairs cause he intended to revive all of those who died

How

Who confirmed it? nobody. Even the databook states and i quote. "This technique seemingly requires a massive amount of chakra, as Konan feared the worst for Nagato when he used it after having previously expended so much chakra."

Like any other ordinary jutsu, when your chakra level drops to zero, you die. Same thing happened to Nagato after performing the samsara of heavenly life technique.

 

[Stark]

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Nice as always, might be a plot hole too though.