[Theory] The Reason Why Rinne Tensei'ing an Edo Zombie Causes Death To The Caster

[orochimaru]

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woooooooooooow can't be argued! this is incredible and well backed up ... thanx dude it makes perfect sense.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Well thought out.

Thanks glad you liked it Space Jam

 

[ballerjordan]

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Nice theory.

 

[S A G E]

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Stop giving Kishimoto ideas, he constantly check in here you know.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

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Using some of rinnegan techs cost of users life spawn. What we see frowm when Nagato summoned Gedo Mazo, It sucks his life. Rinne Tensei is same too. Consume Chakra+Life spawn. When pein arc, He's already low chakra level and life spawn. He used and he died. Just think simple why they want to use tailed beast chakra? For revive Madara. Nagato already listening Tobi's orders. Why he didnt revive madara? Cuz he can't. It's not something like If you are edo you can not revive him or its cost ur life. If you are able to handle that life spawn cost, you can use rinne tensei. Obito isn't original user of rinnegan or dont have insane chakra level & life force like Nagato. He's using it, cuz he hasnt any chance.

Can't believe i forgot about the longevity and strong life force of the uzumaki :sy: + rep

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Using some of rinnegan techs cost of users life spawn. What we see frowm when Nagato summoned Gedo Mazo, It sucks his life. Rinne Tensei is same too. Consume Chakra+Life spawn. When pein arc, He's already low chakra level and life spawn. He used and he died. Just think simple why they want to use tailed beast chakra? For revive Madara. Nagato already listening Tobi's orders. Why he didnt revive madara? Cuz he can't. It's not something like If you are edo you can not revive him or its cost ur life. If you are able to handle that life spawn cost, you can use rinne tensei. Obito isn't original user of rinnegan or dont have insane chakra level & life force like Nagato. He's using it, cuz he hasnt any chance.

But the point is adequate chakra levels are the only thing needed to avoid death when casting RT since Obito's half is made of Hashirama cells which also gives him enormous amounts of chakra levels allowing him to spam kamui and use the Rinnegan, then why would it cause his death in reviving edo madara, unless, the condition of reviving an edo with RT automatically causes death to the caster.

 

[Disquiet]

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Wow, nice theory!

I agree as well.Many will stipulate that madara stated he did not want to be revived until the plans were already in motion as to counter act the people who ask why obito did not revive him sooner.And that is a perfect response,butsince obito clearly stated he doesn't view him as a friend and his only objective is to see the moons eye plan through then he doesn't need madara at all.

Obito was already in the midst of trying to capture the last two jinchuuki himself (Failed,but tried)Why would he revive madara at the end when his personal goal has already been met ? For a guy he already claimed to not be friends with ?
Seems like a very big waste of his time to me.
Maybe kishi intended for us to be hung up on it.I like that it makes up speculate.Though i still thin kin hind sight after the word exhange between them,that there was never any real bonding between them and obito was never going to revive him if he could end up doing it on his own.

Using some of rinnegan techs cost of users life spawn. What we see frowm when Nagato summoned Gedo Mazo, It sucks his life. Rinne Tensei is same too. Consume Chakra+Life spawn. When pein arc, He's already low chakra level and life spawn. He used and he died. Just think simple why they want to use tailed beast chakra? For revive Madara. Nagato already listening Tobi's orders. Why he didnt revive madara? Cuz he can't. It's not something like If you are edo you can not revive him or its cost ur life. If you are able to handle that life spawn cost, you can use rinne tensei. Obito isn't original user of rinnegan or dont have insane chakra level & life force like Nagato. He's using it, cuz he hasnt any chance.

Nice posts.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Wow, nice theory!








Nice posts.

Thank you, but MorphyRulez seems to have forgotten one thing: Obito also has a very enormous ton of chakra reserves thanks to Hashirama cells

 

[Disquiet]

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Thank you, but MorphyRulez seems to have forgotten one thing: Obito also has a very enormous ton of chakra reserves thanks to Hashirama cells

Don't mention it, it's a good theory.

Though it wasn't comparable to Nagato's. It still hindered him.

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[KGB Kakuzu]

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Nice! I think there is also the concept of how long ago the person one tries to summon back died. Which might be a reason Jiraiya couldn't be brought back (maybe even a concept of range). Bringing back Madara who at the least died over 16 years ago (assuming Obito had attacked Konoha after Madara's death), would take far more chakra than normal! Add on that he has to ressurect him not from the pure world, but an impure world would only add to the chakra required!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Don't mention it, it's a good theory.

Though it wasn't comparable to Nagato's. It still hindered him.

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Well we never saw Nagato control the Bijuus to the extent that Tobi used them, so it is a moot point if Nagato would actually be superior to Tobi in that respect.

 

[Disquiet]

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Well we never saw Nagato control the Bijuus to the extent that Tobi used them, so it is a moot point if Nagato would actually be superior to Tobi in that respect.

It's not a moot point since we know that one must have a lot of chakra to use Rinnei Tensei without dying. You made a point in your thread that high chakra reserves are required. We got a pretty good concept of the levels of Nagato's chakra. The page above implies that he doesn't have enough chakra to control them and use his techs. Furthermore, we see how Yamato becomes exhausted even though he has Hashi's dna. Obito possessing Hashi's dna alone doesn't mean he has the necessary chakra reserves to use it without dying.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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It's not a moot point since we know that one must have a lot of chakra to use Rinnei Tensei without dying. You made a point in your thread that high chakra reserves are required. We got a pretty good concept of the levels of Nagato's chakra. The page above implies that he doesn't have enough chakra to control them and use his techs. Furthermore, we see how Yamato becomes exhausted even though he has Hashi's dna. Obito possessing Hashi's dna alone doesn't mean he has the necessary chakra reserves to use it without dying.

Maybe, but we'll never get to see Nagato display his possible superiority to Obito in using the Rinnegan to control the Bijuus since he's dead, we'll never get the chance to see it since he was not given the opportunity to do so, so we can only speculate.

 

[Disquiet]

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Maybe, but we'll never get to see Nagato display his possible superiority to Obito in using the Rinnegan to control the Bijuus since he's dead, we'll never get the chance to see so we can only speculate.

Obito's dying as a result from using the rinne tensei concretes the concept given by Kishi that high chakra reserves are necessary. And there's no speculation as to whether Nagato had the sufficient amount of chakra reserves.

 

[Waltz]

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Konan's statement was mere speculation, she has no knowledge of the rinnengan's techniques nor their rudiments. Nagato himself knew nothing beyond

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She bears no credibility hence, Obito's statement that he regurgitated from Madara himself that the Requirement of Rinne Tensei are the users soul over-rules konan's assumption. Obtio's original intention was for nagato to sacrifice himself reviving Madara. He couldn't complete his "fantasy world" without Madara himself simply because

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, which is a perfect counter in aiding his personal intentions. Without Nagato as a substitute, obito would have to revive Madara himself, taking his own life. kabuto wielding Madara as an Edo could've gained control of the war hence he was timid...and its

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that obito was unaware of Madara's full potential which further saturated his fear.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Konan's statement was mere speculation, she has no knowledge of the rinnengan's techniques nor their rudiments. Nagato himself knew nothing beyond

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She bears no credibility hence, Obito's statement that he regurgitated from Madara himself that the Requirement of Rinne Tensei are the users soul over-rules konan's assumption. Obtio's original intention was for nagato to sacrifice himself reviving Madara. He couldn't complete his "fantasy world" without Madara himself simply because

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, which is a perfect counter in aiding his personal intentions. Without Nagato as a substitute, obito would have to revive Madara himself, taking his own life. kabuto wielding Madara as an Edo could've gained control of the war hence he was timid...and its

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that obito was unaware of Madara's full potential which further saturated his fear.

She has no working knowledge of the Rinne Tensei's mechanism? That is merely your conjecture

 

[Waltz]

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She has no working knowledge of the Rinne Tensei's mechanism? That is merely your conjecture

Unless she can read the Uchiha stone tablet? Upon which are written the secrets of the sage + the secrets of Madara's body...I doubt.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Unless she can read the Uchiha stone tablet? Upon which are written the secrets of the sage + the secrets of Madara's body...I doubt.

So you're making another assumption again that Konan or Nagato was not privy to the knowledge of Rinne Tensei that Tobi could have shared with them, that's your second conjecture.

 

[bigblunts420]

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you proved why it wouldnt kill the user just by using the tech (not in conjunction to a certain circumstance, how much power they need too put in tech to achive goal). reviving an edo would cause death is deduction not proof now when you think about it, are there resons why reviving an edo would cause death. you could make a reason through imagination but let be honest if you did it would most likly me a a$$pull. so what were left with is reviving such and old spirit would take tons of chakra. or it could be kishi ignoring what he said. its probably because madara such a relic.

READ ME.. please

 

[Waltz]

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So you're making another assumption again that Konan or Nagato was not privy to the knowledge of Rinne Tensei that Tobi could have shared with them, that's your second conjecture.

The contradictory between Obito's and Konan's statements should make it quite clear, your argument has lost it's base.