[Theory] Possible weakness of Yata Mirror, Totsuka Blade and their wielder

[KCMNaruto]

NOTE:

• PLEASE DON'T BASH CHARACTER OR DON'T INSULT ANY MEMBER FOR THIS DIFFERENT OPINIONS
• I DON"T WANT TO MAKE FLAME WAR WITH ITACHI FANS SO BE OPEN MINDED
• THESE STATED BY ME ARE POSSIBLE WEAKNESS, THEY ARE NOT CONFIRMED BUT POSSIBLE.
• IF SOMEONE PROVE THAT ONE OF MORE WEAKNESS STATED BY ME INCORRECT WITH EVIDENCE THEN I WILL ACCEPT IT, SO PLEASE USE FACTS/ EVIDENCE AND BACK IT UP WITH LOGIC, INSTEAD OF POSTING SAME SCAN AND SAING: "Itachi solos", "Yata protect from every attack", "Totsuka blitz"

INTRODUCTION​

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Hello guys, I would like to talk about Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade throwing some light on concerning hype of Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade..., I will try to explain why wielder of these weapons can be defeated.

YATA MIRROR​

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Let's me first begin from showing Databook entry about Yata Mirror:

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^^ "A spirit weapon without physcial form with power to change everyone of it's properties, allowing it's to alter it's attributes in accordance to attributes of the attack, rendering the attack ineffective"

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^^ Yata Mirror deflecting heads of Orochimaru's hydra.

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^^ Yata Mirror protecting Itachi from explosion made by kunai with explosive notes thrown by Sasuke

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^^ Manga panel stating that Yata Mirror can turn back any attack

POSSIBLE WEAKNESS OF WIELDER OF THE SHIELD :

1) Nowhere in Databook nor in The manga it is written that Yata Mirror can protect it's user from all directions aka 360 degrees... It is Itachi's fanboy assumption. Form what we saw Yata Mirror protect it's user just from the front...

2) Nowhere in Databook nor in The manga it is written that Yata Mirror can neglect more one element being used at the same time. It could mean that Bloodline limits, Kekkei Tota(made of three elments), combination of four elements aka Juubito's black matter technique, Obito's "Turning all Ninjutsu into nothing" new element, Bijuudama(made of Ying and Yang element) etc... Could bypass yata Mirror and attack wielder

3) Nowhere in Databook nor in The manga it is written that about from Yata Mirror takes chakra to turn back/reflect any attack. Nowhere it was written that Yata generates it's own chakra amount..., so only logically idea/explanation could be that Yata Mirror uses Wielder's chakra while protecting Wielder...
If that is true then it could mean any attack which consits greater amount of chakra then Wielder of Yata Mirror can bypass this shield and hurt wielder...

4) Nowhere in Databook nor in The manga it is written that Yata Mirror belong to just one wielder and can't be taken away by someone else in battle. Let's think it... If Yata doesn't have mind on it's own then it doesn't have will to protect wielder or no... Simply it is no matter who is using Yata Mirror, Yata Mirror just fulfill it's purpouse and protect wielder, no matter what... Of course it could mean that attack would have to be such smooth, fast and powerfull to be small enough to avoid metting with Yata Mirror and have enough cutting power to break Itachi's Complete Sussano arm for example...

TOTSUKA BLADE ​

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^^ "A Spirit Sword with no real physical form" "Anyone and anything it pierces becomes trapped in blissfull dream like genjutsu for all enternity... or so the legends go"

"The Blade itself is enchanted with an incredible sealing technique"

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^^ Databook Entry on Totsuka Blade

POSSIBLE WEAKNESS OF WIELDER OF THE BLADE :

1) Nowhere in Databook nor in The manga it is written that Totsuka Blade can keep anyone in dream world for enternity. Even opposite it is considered as Genjutsu and nowhere it is stated that you can't escape from that Genjutsu..., So there is still possible way to escape that dream world and free yourself... That could mean, masters of Genjutsu could get out of it somehow...

2) Nowhere in Databook nor in The manga it is written that Totsuka Blade can pierce everyone..., it is only stated that anyone pierced by blade will be drawn into dream world like genjutsu, so it possible that tailed beasts and some other characters could be immune to Totsuka'sealing power as it couldn't pierce from them. The interesting fact I found is that Totsuka blade is smilliar even same as Kusanagi Sword with only addition being enchanted with powerfull sealing technique.

3) Nowhere in Databook nor in The manga it is written that Totsuka Blade's sealing can't be stopped...and we know that Blade is enchanted with very powerfull sealing technique..., Well it could give oppening for masters of sealing techniques to be able to counter sealing technique of Totsuka Blade before it drawn them towards dream world like genjutsu...

4) Nowhere in Databook nor in The manga it is written that Totsuka Blade can be taken away from the wielder to be wielded by someone else..., However same as with Yata Mirror, the problem could be breaking through Complete Sussano's arm of Itachi to force it to drop Totsuka Blade....

YATA MIRROR AND TOTSUKA BLADE ​

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^^ Databook entry about Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror

I don't talk and say that Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror can be shattered even although I believe that they can, but even considering that Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror can't be destroyed/shattered still doesn't mean that wielder is invincible as well.

In case of Yata Mirror... it depends wether it can change shape and protect wielder from 360 angles or no...
If yes then it depends if Yata can turn back more then one element at the same time... even if yes once again then still protection of Yata Mirror against attack could depends how much chakra wielder has and if it is enough to counter attack or no. Anyway Shield can be still taken away as it has to be equiped with some chakra form as Sussano or Chakra cloak...

In case of Totsuka Blade... it depends wether it can keep anyone it pierced and drawn into dream like World forever there or no. This was considered as Genjutsu so there is possibility that there exist way to escape from Dream World/ Genjutsu. If it can keep you forever there without any ways to escape... then it depends if Totsuka Blade can pierce everything and everyone or no... Even if that is true then still stopping or breaking sealing power of Blade while being drawn into bottle could be possible for great masters of sealing techniques with enough reaction time. Anyway Blade can be still taken away as it has to be equiped with some chakra form as Sussano or Chakra cloak...

CONCLUSION ​

• Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade are indestructable and invincible but wielder can be defeated still
• Possible ways to bypass Yata Mirror:
  1) Attack from the back or the side
  2) Attack it with two different attacks at the same time... or use KKG, KKT or simplu Ying-Yang release
  3) If Attack contain more chakra then wielder of Yata then wielder's lack of chakra will be left with attack and will hit Wielder
  4) The Shield can be taken away...
• Possible ways to not be defeated by Totsuka Blade
  1) Breaking Genjutsu, Dream Word and release yourself
  2) If Blade can't pierce you then you can avoid being sealed
  3) Stopping/ breaking sealing technique with which Blade is enchanted with so anty sealing techinique
  4) The Blade can be taken away
• I AM NOT ITACHI's HATER NOR I AM YATA MIRROR OR TOTSUKA BLADE's HATER
• Everything created by Kishimoto has some weakness, way to avoid/defeat it so Yata and Totsuka can be too.
• Sage of six paths wielding Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade or Itachi as Juubi Jinchurki could be truelly invincible...

Thanks for reading !
Please share your thoughts with me

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

all I see is a trolling Itachi hater :vincent:

OT how can you break a genjutsu which is eternal and seals you forever?

 

[Trollasaur]

Didn't read Obito Toskua blitzes SO6P. Neg diff

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[Hell Autarch]

The best post I have read in my life

 

[johnny scars]

where could i find the databoook??

 

[KCMNaruto]

all I see is a trolling Itachi hater :vincent:

OT how can you break a genjutsu which is eternal and seals you forever?

Well simple... In The manga Zetsu stated: ""Anyone and anything it pierces becomes trapped in blissfull dream like genjutsu for all enternity... or so the legends go""

Bolded part..., it could imply that Zetsu is not sure about it as well... of course we don't have see someone to break from such genjutsu...

But let's use logic if Totsuka Blade is varrant of Kusangai blade enchanted with Sealing technique and very powerfull Genjutsu... then someone created it. If then you can have skills surprassing creator's skills then it could be possible to escape from it, but it hardly depends on creator of such Blade... If it was The Sage then it could impossible... but maybe someone from Uzumaki clan imbued it with sealing technique then some powerfull Uchiha casted Genjutsu power on Blade... just wiled guess

I AM NOT ITACHI HATER... ONLY I TRY TO SEE SOME WEAKNESS TO STOP STUPID INVICIBILITY OF CHARACTER..., Noone is invincible in Kishi Manga and the most time is only ovehlimg hype which can't be proven even.

Didn't read Obito Toskua blitzes SO6P. Neg diff

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Mastery of Yin release(Genjutsu) >= Totsuka Blade's Eternal Genjutsu

At The most Enternal Genjutsu of Totsuka could be on Sage's level, but then as creator he could easily break out of it.

Besides: Yasakani no Magatama

Sage of six paths wore on his neck Yasakani no Magatama, one of three legendary items along with Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade..., for all we know it could allows him to controll these items or make him invulnerable to Yata and Totsuka Blade

The best post I have read in my life

Thanks , I hope someone will be open minded and it looks like I met someone like that.

where could i find the databoook??

Where ? In the internet of course..., I can't give you link to entire Databook...

You can just find each entry to Databook you are interested in typing it in google

 

[RNITBmsage]

senjutsu > yata's mirror

 

[Trollasaur]

Well simple... In The manga Zetsu stated: ""Anyone and anything it pierces becomes trapped in blissfull dream like genjutsu for all enternity... or so the legends go""

Bolded part..., it could imply that Zetsu is not sure about it as well... of course we don't have see someone to break from such genjutsu...

But let's use logic if Totsuka Blade is varrant of Kusangai blade enchanted with Sealing technique and very powerfull Genjutsu... then someone created it. If then you can have skills surprassing creator's skills then it could be possible to escape from it, but it hardly depends on creator of such Blade... If it was The Sage then it could impossible... but maybe someone from Uzumaki clan imbued it with sealing technique then some powerfull Uchiha casted Genjutsu power on Blade... just wiled guess

I AM NOT ITACHI HATER... ONLY I TRY TO SEE SOME WEAKNESS TO STOP STUPID INVICIBILITY OF CHARACTER..., Noone is invincible in Kishi Manga and the most time is only ovehlimg hype which can't be proven even.

Find one for SO6P

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Whether this is true or not, the yata mirror is literaly a plot shield and thus itachi is unbeatable in the manga.

 

[Hell Autarch]

Well simple... In The manga Zetsu stated: ""Anyone and anything it pierces becomes trapped in blissfull dream like genjutsu for all enternity... or so the legends go""

Bolded part..., it could imply that Zetsu is not sure about it as well... of course we don't have see someone to break from such genjutsu...

But let's use logic if Totsuka Blade is varrant of Kusangai blade enchanted with Sealing technique and very powerfull Genjutsu... then someone created it. If then you can have skills surprassing creator's skills then it could be possible to escape from it, but it hardly depends on creator of such Blade... If it was The Sage then it could impossible... but maybe someone from Uzumaki clan imbued it with sealing technique then some powerfull Uchiha casted Genjutsu power on Blade... just wiled guess

I AM NOT ITACHI HATER... ONLY I TRY TO SEE SOME WEAKNESS TO STOP STUPID INVICIBILITY OF CHARACTER..., Noone is invincible in Kishi Manga and the most time is only ovehlimg hype which can't be proven even.

The Manga stated Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage when he was in his prime. Not everything in the Manga is true

 

[Lorik Uzumaki]

Nice thread

 

[KCMNaruto]

senjutsu > yata's mirror

Well... It could be but not confirmed just yet

Find one for SO6P

you are just SOSP hater and search for something to say silly:

Obito > SOSP, but it won't happen my friend.

Your own favourite character states the most about SOSP..., in other words he simply confirmed SOSP's feats ...

Unless you believe Obito is stupid enough to not know what he is talking about..., but could such genius and with great mind not know what he is speaking about ?

I doubt.

Whether this is true or not, the yata mirror is literaly a plot shield and thus itachi is unbeatable in the manga.

Well Of course Yata and Totsuka are plot devices used to push story forward that why they were unsed just once(Yata Mirror) and Totsuka being used double times(need of sealing Edo Nagato)

But still we can debate that it can have some weakness, until Kishi states they don't have any.

The Manga stated Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage when he was in his prime. Not everything in the Manga is true

^^ True... at least he should have some manga panels to back up his hype.

Nice thread

Thanks a man

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Not an original idea. Been done before.

 

[Trollasaur]

Well... It could be but not confirmed just yet



you are just SOSP hater and search for something to say silly:

Obito > SOSP, but it won't happen my friend.

Your own favourite character states the most about SOSP..., in other words he simply confirmed SOSP's feats ...

Unless you believe Obito is stupid enough to not know what he is talking about..., but could such genius and with great mind not know what he is speaking about ?

I doubt.



Well Of course Yata and Totsuka are plot devices used to push story forward that why they were unsed just once(Yata Mirror) and Totsuka being used double times(need of sealing Edo Nagato)

But still we can debate that it can have some weakness, until Kishi states they don't have any.



^^ True... at least he should have some manga panels to back up his hype.



Thanks a man

Not a hater, you're just one of the biggest fanboys ever and you sounded a bit hypocretical in the previous post.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Not an original idea. Been done before.

Ok, I don't know about it... but I wanted to reminds that THERE ARE STILL SO POSSIBILITES OF WEAKNESS as Databook doesn't deny them... of course it doesn't mean they HAVE TO WORK... Because "Abscense of Evidence is not proof", so they could come out to be true or no.

Not a hater, you're just one of the biggest fanboys ever and you sounded a bit hypocretical in the previous post.

Well ok... that is your opinion

I simply express my opinions as always and try to stay unbiased but well you could interpret my words differently.

 

[Trollasaur]

I know SO6P>Obito
but he takes it med diff.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I know SO6P>Obito
but he takes it med diff.

Let's say that for now... I won't argue with you

Let's wait for manga feats from SOSP which can make it even stronger in your eyes or weaked depending on Kishi.

I believe strongly in the first one...

 

[Logical Chaos]

I'm not a Itachi fanboy, but I disagree.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I'm not a Itachi fanboy, but I disagree.

please explain Why ?!

 

[Fireplay]

Plotsengan>Yata mirror