the yata mirror is not unbeatable so shut up

[Waltz]

now you're trying to use real world logic when your whole argument is based around the fact that itachi is using a shield that is made out of magic and can't be touched...after you ignore the fact that Susanoo is made out of condensed chakra and claim that the shield is made out of something different... your ignorance is almost amazing to me and by your own logic the mirror and Kabutowari should both be equally treated as true because the manga states it...but no your fighting Kabutowari's credibility because you realize it's insane to think a regular sword like Kabutowari can stand up to a shield made of pure chakra but you can't realize that the yata isn't some all powerful supernatural force that can block everything..I think it's safe to say your a fanboy troll who will always go against logic why don't you just contact Kishi yourself and ask him if he meant everything in the databook literally until than come back when your not riding itachi's ****

You fail on 4 occurrences...

-> 1) You're arguing that chakra absorption from a someone such as a Rin'negan user makes Yata no Kagami beatable which I proved that this is false because Gakido requires physical contact and Itachi can make Yata-no-Kagami ethereal.

-> 2) You're arguing that Susano'o and all it's anchoring elements are made of the same type of condensed material this is also false because Susano'o has various abilities which display properties different to the Susano'o itself.

-> 3) You're saying that because Susano'o (which is breakable) is a manifestation of the users Chakra; Yata-no-Kagami falls within the same category because it is made and attached with the Susano'o: Also false because the anchoring elements have greater properties and function differently to the Susano'o itself. For example, Madara's Kanzentai Susano-o wields swords whose offensive output far succeeds anything the Susano'o itself could do on it's own; it produces linear slashes of destruction because it was designed to do so and is fixated with Madara's Kanzentai Susano'o. Similarly, Itachi's Yata-no-Kagami defensive capabilities succeed the Susano'o itself as it is a shield Designed to prohibit any attack trying to breech it's defenses. If it's composition was the identical to Susano'o then it would have the same limitation's. The greatest example is Totsuka no Tsurugi which obviously is composed differently to Susano'o-----yet it was also fixated with Itachi's Complete Susano'o. ​

-> 4) They cannot be treated equally and there have been subtle things in the Manga that discredits Kabutowari's hype. First off,it is made of natural materials and doesn't have the properties to affect the Mirror in an ethereal state since it requires physical contact to work which already give's it limitations. Whether you approve of it or not it requires a certain force to be applied to the hammer (by a Shinobi) in order to break a certain defense and since the sturdiness of each defense varies it would require a greater force to breech a greater defense; an easy concept to grasp. Yata-no-Kagami isn't just a shield: It repels any attack, meaning that it generates a force equal to the force trying to breech it. The Sword of Kusanagi (another weapon made of natural materials) carries a hype identical to Kabutowari in that it's been stated that it cannot be blocked
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NINJUSTU; Kusanagi no Tsurugi: Kuu no Tachi (Sword of Kusanagi: Aerial Longsword)
User: Orochimaru
Offensive; Close, Medium ranges; Rank: B

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The Sword of Kusanagi has been summoned by Orochimaru from inside himself. He controls it as he pleases with this jutsu specific to him. It boasts a sharpness sufficient to compel a cry of hurt out of Enma, who possesses a diamond-hard body...!! When the Sword of Kusanagi flies into the air, everything that stands before its edge is prey to be hacked and slashed and murdered, their blood soaking the blade in an unsettling fashion.

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Yet Yata-no-Kagami negated it effortlessly:

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Though I am not using Kusanagi as a means to discredit Kabutowari's offensive capabilities, but it's workings and hinted limitations compiled upon a weapon with identical status being repelled by the Mirror leads me to believe that what is stated about the Mirror is the more doubtless of the two. ​

 

[Strict]

"Yata mirror blocks everything." - Is this hype? Yes.

"Yata mirror has the power to change every one of its properties, allowing it to alter its attributes in accordance with the attributes of the attack, rendering the attack infeffective." - Is this hype? No. It describes the power of the shield.

Deny it. But it's fact, it's canon that the Yata mirror has that power. An absolutely perfect defense.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

True, Yata is very beatable. People that think it is unbeatable lack imagination, as well as concepts of tact and strategy.

"Yata mirror blocks everything." - Is this hype? Yes.

"Yata mirror has the power to change every one of its properties, allowing it to alter its attributes in accordance with the attributes of the attack, rendering the attack infeffective." - Is this hype? No. It describes the power of the shield.

Deny it. But it's fact, it's canon that the Yata mirror has that power. An absolutely perfect defense.

The shield itself may very well be invincible, but not the wielder. It's possible to get around the shield, restrict Susanoo's movements, possibly even wrest Yata from Susanoo.

If you were in a fight with someone with a shield, and your weapon cannot even so much as scratch the shield, is your opponent invincible?

 

[Strict]

Itachi canonically can extend the Yata shield.

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[UltimateDeadpool]

Itachi canonically can extend the Yata shield.

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To a limit, which you didn't highlight.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Show me a scan of Yata mirror getting broke?

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Show me a scan of Yata mirror getting broke?

Show me Yata blocking anything besides kunai.

 

[Strict]

To a limit, which you didn't highlight.

It even covered the back. It's a spiritual weapon without a physical form. Canon.

Show me Yata blocking anything besides kunai.

The shield blocked paper bombs which amount created an explosion covering the whole Susanoo and beyond.
It blocked the Kusanagi sword.

 

[Inert Brian]

Sorry but if Black Zetsu was the one that gave Yata mirror hype, then i'm inclined to think it's true.

Yata Mirror is unbreakable, but can be bypassed with a technique like Kamui.

Note the difference between unbreakable and unbeatable.


The title of the thread is true, but the content in the OP is wrong.

 

[TrollingSage]

Read again..

If the Manga contradicts a claim in the Databook then it's false. A few claims that have been contradicted:

-> Rikiri can cut anything
-> Rikiri can cut lightening (subjective to begin with)
-> Hebi Sasuke had God-like speed
ect..


This isn't the case for Yata-no-Kagami. Actually, you have provided nothing besides speculation to discredit Yata's capabilities. Your method of absorption still wouldn't work since 1) The shield can be made to remain ethereal and thus intangible 2) The shield can be effortlessly reformed----as the rest of Susano'o; it being an anchoring function of Itachi's Complete Susano'o.
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So why didnt Itachi use the mirror to repel Chibaku tensei's gravitational pull or block Kabuto's white rage?

 

[Strict]

So why didnt Itachi use the mirror to repel Chibaku tensei's gravitational pull or block Kabuto's white rage?

Do you want a serious answer?

 

[TrollingSage]

Do you want a serious answer?

Of course I do

 

[Inert Brian]

Of course I do

1. He wanted to focus on completely protecting Sasuke, notice how he started moving towards Sasuke once white rage was launched? He even states he knew Kabuto would target Sasuke.

2. The Chibaku tensei logic makes no sense here. Yata was stated to reflect the properties of incoming attacks. Chibaku is not an incoming attack..

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

It even covered the back. It's a spiritual weapon without a physical form. Canon.


The shield blocked paper bombs which amount created an explosion covering the whole Susanoo and beyond.
It blocked the Kusanagi sword.

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Ei also blocked Sasuke's sword.

 

[TrollingSage]

1. He wanted to focus on completely protecting Sasuke, notice how he started moving towards Sasuke once white rage was launched? He even states he knew Kabuto would target Sasuke.

2. The Chibaku tensei logic makes no sense here. Yata was stated to reflect the properties of incoming attacks. Chibaku is not an incoming attack..

Itachi fans claim yata mirror can block anything, even stop FTG an kamui from teleporting it. So with that logic it should stop Chibaku tensei's gravitational pull. Also Itachi could protect Sasuke better if his susano wasn't being deactivated by white rage.

 

[Strict]

The Yata mirror is a shield. A shield is supposed to block attacks which make contact with it. How can a shield block gravitation? How can a shield block sound and light? The shield can't magically render techniques useless. It repels any attack which hits it. No reason to turn an ability into ridicule.

 

[Inert Brian]

Itachi fans claim yata mirror can block anything, even stop FTG an kamui from teleporting it. So with that logic it should stop Chibaku tensei's gravitational pull. Also Itachi could protect Sasuke better if his susano wasn't being deactivated by white rage.

Yata can block anything....

The Thread title is correct, but the content of the OP is wrong. Yata mirror is unbreakable, but is not unbeatable.

To beat Yata mirror you have to bypass it. Ex: When Gai was fighting Madara, Kakashi used Kamui to open up a hole in Madara's defense. Or as suggested, teleport it away with FTG.

The gravity argument can't work because if that was the case, then Yata mirror would be constantly combating gravity since gravity is at constant work. That would mean Itachi would be flying since Yata would repel the gravity upwards.

 

[TrollingSage]

The Yata mirror is a shield. A shield is supposed to block attacks which make contact with it. How can a shield block gravitation? How can a shield block sound and light? The shield can't magically render techniques useless. It repels any attack which hits it. No reason to turn an ability into ridicule.

You sound like the more reasonable logical ones. Other Itachi fans claim Yata mirror can block even Kamui and FTG's teleporting it.

 

[Frikid]

It is invincible tho

We all know of the two legendary spiritual weapons that caused Black zetsu to consider Itachi an Invincible force...

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Hyperbole? Yes, But there is truth to his words...First one must understand what a Spirtual weapon is... Answer? Noone knows.. according to zetsu it's a supernatural item.... Databook implies noone really know how or when exactly they appeared.. but the legends have been passed down for years

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What should be noted is that is has NO true phyiscal form, meaning these weapons have no true shape, and could essentially become what shape or size the user wishes... They way we see them now is at a size fit for susanno, but when these weapons were found by Itachi, they wouldn't have been large, they could have been anything, maybe even the normal size of a katana and shield..

If you don't believe what i'm saying, Of course , I have proof , often overlooked

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Here you see how yatta mirror is, a flat shield, a bit bigger than Itachi, but still smaller than susanno itself..


Sasuke then throws explosive kunai to cause and explosion

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You can no see the shield has grown, as the head of susanno is no longer higher in the air

specifically talking about this

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You also should note the sfx showing the mirror was shrinking after the attack..


Next feat of this? pretty obvious

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If you don't see it

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You clearly see it extended again, covering more in the back of itachi, which is not how it originally looked, considering its flat


Now I want you to pay CLOSE attention , to the last two pictures I posted, and realize that for this attack, Yata mirror has changed size and shape, and is now fully covering Susanno....

This means that no matter WHAT attack comes at Itachi, Yata mirror can Change not only its ELEMENTS, but its ATTRIBUTES , to deflect it.....

The databook even says this

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Note that it changes its attributes and properties..


You should also be aware that yata mirror doesn't simply "block' all attacks.. It REFLECTS.. All attacks.. as stated like 500 times in the manga and databook..





MUU - Onooki

People, alot of people , have been putting Muu over Itachi simply because Jinton is a "360" thing.... they claim, that yata mirror and its frontward defence would not at all protect Itachi from the molecule disintegration..
Bullocks..

As Ive shown before, ANY incoming attack, would be countered by the mirror and reflected... even if yata mirror has to stretch in a 360 manner to do so , similar to what happened here

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This isnt solely for Jinton....Any incoming taijutsu attack will be countered... yata mirror repelled Sasuke's and his kusunagi thrust....
People claim that A would be able to go behind yata mirror and attack.. Once again, this isn't a legendary spirtual item for crap and giggles..Like gaara's sand, the yata mirror protects the user from ANY attack



But how far can yata mirror really go?
Its not exactly clear, the databook mostly speaks of its impervious fortitude when pitted against jutsu

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Material

Astral

Physical

and Ninjutsu

What I want you to focus on is the two bolded

as·tral
/ˈastrəl/
Adjective
Of or relating to a supposed nonphysical realm of existence in which the physical human body is said to have a counterpart.
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what? : o, Databook implies that Yata mirror would even defend against non physical dimension related attacks? Attacks like Long ranged Kamui?

....That my friends is up to you to see and consider

Grossly underated spiritual items

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Another thing everyone should note is the sheer speed that the shape manipulation happens... The mirror moves from its small state to incredibly large withing milliseconds of the attack actually hitting

Inb4 Bogard, minator94

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Soloking solos

 

[Haizaki]

Itachi canonically can extend the Yata shield.

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Lmao

That green is you highlighted is not YATA. If what you said was true, how does it make sense that over here,

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we can see how Susanoo's hand is placed with Yata.

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Here it stretches its hand before the attack comes. Why didn't it just cover the whole susanoo without stretching Yata forward. It had to stretch forward to deflect the attack forward before it landed due to the range of the attack. The top green you highlighted is what's really funny. To show this is false, why is the top green not shown deflecting any attack? That's clearly wrong. Not to mention paper bombs explode when they hit a target. It doesn't spread past the front of the target.