The Yata Mirror is not invincible.

[OnPoint]

1. The Sword of Totsuka seals anything it pierces. It cannot pierce the Yata Mirror so there is no contradiction there.

2. If you are seriously comparing Kabutowari's offense to the Yata Mirror's defense then there is something seriously wrong. The description of Kabutowari comes from it's obvious hammer - nail like function. It is a simple weapon and shouldn't be compared to higher tier tools.

3. The description of the Yata Mirror should be enough when comparing its defensive capabilities to physical world objects such as the Rashomon or Gaara's sand. These physical objects do not change in properties. Their composition and therefore defensive power is set. No matter how much you compress sand or refine metal, it has its limit realistically. The Yata Mirror's, an ephemeral object, description states that it changes its properties of composition to counter whatever attack strikes it. If fire hits it then it might use water to nullify it. If something of large force hits it then it should become proportionally stronger to resist the attack. That is what its description set by the DB and actual characters, Zetsu, states.

4. I believe that the Yata Mirror does have a set shape, that is why it is called the Yata Mirror, due to its appearance and ability to deflect any attack, and not the Yata Armor. If it could change its shape and offer 360 degree protection then it would always cover the entirety of Itachi's Susanoo to offer no openings whatsoever. The only way to get past the defense of Yata Mirror is to go around it and not through it.

- There is an obvious contradiction.

- Baseless statement and terrible excuse all in one. You're trying to argue that Yata Mirror's hype is superior.

- I'm not claiming it's a bad defence, simply not invincible. Infact, read what I actually stated right at the end of my post. I know how it works, I know that Kishi overexaggerated its capabilities and I even know there may be a way to outmanoeuvre with elemental combinations. The use of hyperbole was so obvious it's almost sickening.

- You believe.

 

[khaydz5]

Alot of things tend to be exaggerated from the Db but two things need to be considered.

1. Yata Mirror is a spirtiual weapon. It's powers should be held in higher regards to other weapons.

2. Until we actually see it get broken then we can say it was a contradiction.

lol typical itachi fanboy who can't use logic to defend their character.

why would an "spiritual weapon" be treated superior than other? because it sounds cool?lol or is it because its itachi's arsenal therefore we SHOULD think its invincible? stfu bro. yata mirror is just like some of the "perfect defense" that was introduce in the manga. its not invincible.

 

[Joki]

Databook is written by Kishi himself. Databook entry of Yata Mirror is in the OP.

I'm just saying my opinion formed from common sense that Spiritual weapons should be better than a weapon made on earth.

Anyways I'm done. I said all I can say in this thread.

Really, that's weird, databook also says Haku is lightspeed yet he has never moved at lightspeed even when specifically saying he's moving at full speed. Amaterasu is also as hot as the sun yet hasn't instantly vaporized everything in a 100 km radius. Any more support for this other than Susano'o being completely obliterated by Kirin?

stop just stop.
nothing can/will EVER break through the yata mirror the yata mirror is basically a mythical weapon taken from japanese mythology itself as it the totsuka blade. The very way it works is by matching the elemental affinity of anything that hits it no matter what. This weapon is meant to be the ultmate shield and nothing could ever break it

the 7 swordsman sword said to crush all defenses is simply that. SAID. its like an urban legend it works for most but not all obviously

your logic on the first point is flawed as well. Many professional physicists them self have pondered over the ancient paradox of the immovable object versus the unstoppable force, so why would kishimoto try to break this with him being a mere manga writer. You are looking to far into this when kishi has made it pretty clear that those two are the ultimate weapons

by comparing things like minatos skill, gaaras defense, and other things of that nature is comparing the spiritual to the physical which im sure as you know the spiritual far outclasses spiritual things. Like i said yata mirror and totsuka blade are basically two god like weapons which kishi has made perfectly clear cannot be surpassed and any other thoughts than that are
completely idiotic


i wont even attempt to break this one down
you guys act as if kishi cant use metaphors or hyperboles in his own manga
not only has it been stated in the manga countless times that the nothing can get through the yata mirror but also in the databook both of which were written by kishimoto. for a person that says you hate how people discredit the databook here you are discrediting something that is not a metaphor like "ameterasu burns as hot as the sun" but something that is explicitlly stated that nothing can break through its defense. tobi said that once something is trapped in kinkau and ginkaus goursd it will never come out. Is he wrong? Hidan said hes immortal is he wrong? if you guys are gonna start saying things in the manga are wrong than take your retard logic elsewhere and stop reading it

That is a ridiculously retarded no-limits fallacy especially @ bold. But you are extremely, supremely past the point of redemption, I am not even going into that.

Mind posting these "countless times" that it was stated? I don't recall any except for one. From Zetsu, and unreliable source who knows hardly anything about it, and from the databook which is an obvious hyperbole. If you deny that you're a very disappointing fanboy who will not admit anything negative about Itachi to save your life, and it's literally impossible to convince you otherwise even when manga fact proves you wrong.

I think the contents of this thread are ridiculously obvious the fact it even needs a thread to attempt to prove Itachi fans wrong is baffling, it's not like it's going to do anything thougb ecause anyone who would ever claim something as ridiculous as the contents in the bold will never admit anything they say is wrong.

 

[-Broly-]

So Amaterasu is as hot as the sun? Did you even read?

Please, show yourself out.

OBVIOUSY you didnt read my post
in the manga is it said over and over that ameterasu is as hot as the sun? is it even said once that ameterasu is as hot as the sun in the manga? Yata mirror has been stated many many times that its cannot be broken
gee way to embarass yourself on your own thread

Really, that's weird, databook also says Haku is lightspeed yet he has never moved at lightspeed even when specifically saying he's moving at full speed. Amaterasu is also as hot as the sun yet hasn't instantly vaporized everything in a 100 km radius. Any more support for this other than Susano'o being completely obliterated by Kirin?

That is a ridiculously retarded no-limits fallacy especially @ bold. But you are extremely, supremely past the point of redemption, I am not even going into that.

Mind posting these "countless times" that it was stated? I don't recall any except for one. From Zetsu, and unreliable source who knows hardly anything about it, and from the databook which is an obvious hyperbole. If you deny that you're a very disappointing fanboy who will not admit anything negative about Itachi to save your life, and it's literally impossible to convince you otherwise even when manga fact proves you wrong.

I think the contents of this thread are ridiculously obvious the fact it even needs a thread to attempt to prove Itachi fans wrong is baffling, it's not like it's going to do anything thougb ecause anyone who would ever claim something as ridiculous as the contents in the bold will never admit anything they say is wrong.

lmao as i remember itachi was completely fine when hit with kirin?
when in the manga has it been said haku moves at lightspeed im sorry but if you read the databook and believed haku moved that fast then you need to see your way out of narutobase. im pretty sure not everything kishi writes is to be taken literally and he doesnt expect the readers to be dumb enough to do this but here you are taking everything he has written in the databook literally. Should he no longer use metaphors? should he no longer make riddles or plots and just tell everything straight away? since you would like to take every word literally?

how is zetsu an unreliable source? when has he lied? if kishi put him in the point of view to where he was basically "commentating" on the fight why in the world would he have him lie to us? really your starting to make me embarrased for you. So kishi puts zetsu in to say how invincible the two weapons are to have him lie? everything that has ever went up against the yata mirror has been repelled or do you have to have it actually "stated" of course zetsu the person who explained THE ENTIRE LEGEND OF THE BLADE AND MIRROR KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THEM. please just go

lol typical itachi fanboy who can't use logic to defend their character.

why would an "spiritual weapon" be treated superior than other? because it sounds cool?lol or is it because its itachi's arsenal therefore we SHOULD think its invincible? stfu bro. yata mirror is just like some of the "perfect defense" that was introduce in the manga. its not invincible.

lmao in naruto , a world of physical things and weapons, why wouldnt a spiritual weapon be held in higher regard than others? i can see if this was bleach or something why you;d say that but really? those weapons as stated before are taken straight from japanese mythology and usually things like that (susanoo, tsukiyomi, ameterasu) are waaaaay more powerful than anything else in the manga. it goes along with the belief like in any religion that physical things are imperfect while spiritual things are perfect
gaaras sand= physical
yata mirror= spiritual

Sure, and Amaterasu is as hot as the sun.

So, if I try to be stupid and not use basic deduction skills, i'll reach the correct answer? Hilarious.

NO if you would stop taking EVERY LITTLE THING literally then you would reach the correct answer i mean use some common sense does it LOOK like haku can move at lightspeed? no
Yata mirror has been stated to be un penetrable. Has it EVER been penetrated? no.
and with itachis death it seems that what i said about it never being broken will come true

 

[OnPoint]

OBVIOUSY you didnt read my post
in the manga is it said over and over that ameterasu is as hot as the sun? is it even said once that ameterasu is as hot as the sun in the manga? Yata mirror has been stated many many times that its cannot be broken
gee way to embarass yourself on your own thread

Could you link me these 'many times'? I would just like to give you a chance to slightly redeem yourself before you're wholly revealed as a blabbering idiot.

 

[realobito1]

Awesome thread. Yata mirror still awesome though. I am smart enough to know that beating it might be possible but at the same time smart enough to take this hyperbole as most ninja wont have a way to get around it. Making itachi awesome for having the most ultimate defense in naruto

 

[TobisPawn]

Agreed. Nice thread. Can't rep you right now though. I'll get it to you later.

 

[khaydz5]

You can't use one example to back up your claim for an other topic. The Blunt sword is neither Yatas mirror nor Totsukas sword and isn't a spiritual weapon who was called ultimately attack and defense even in the databook. If you read the statements in the Databook more accurate, you would see the difference.

Preta-Path is able to absorb any Ninjutsu, but yet its technique is based on a Fuin Jutsu which bans away Chakra in any form - There are many techniques which are classified as a Ninjutsu and not each is based on Chakra or further consists out of it. And on this basis you can draw your conclusions on whether in which case Preta-Path is working and how fast it does.

Yatas Mirror on the other hand is said to be able to deflect any attack, without going into detail. This is a divine weapon which repels anything. Same goes for the divine and spiritual weaon Totsuka no Tsurugi, which is the ultimately sealing weapon and can crush anything. Anything with the except Yata no Kagami, since its characteristic to repel all attacks. Anything else can most likely be crushed since of the swords characteristic.

This is a whole different stroy from the mere hype Kishimoto is giving to usual things, like the Bunt sword which can destroy any defense, Gaaras Sand which is called perfect defense through being broken once. Yatas mirror was not only called perfect defense, it was explicit said by Kishimoto, that this shield has the characteristic to repel all attacks, so we should stay by this statement.

And if we would take the statements in the databook literally, any attack would just lose its effect before this god. I agree that Yatas mirror can't help you against any attack since it doesn't grant you a 360 degree protection and wouldn't be helpful against techniques such as a huge Jinton cube, Chibaku Tensei and others, but all attacks which hit Yatas mirror, will be reflected.

bold part: lol its like 50% of the words just came right out of your itachi loving butt.

 

[OnPoint]

NO if you would stop taking EVERY LITTLE THING literally then you would reach the correct answer i mean use some common sense does it LOOK like haku can move at lightspeed? no
Yata mirror has been stated to be un penetrable. Has it EVER been penetrated? no.
and with itachis death it seems that what i said about it never being broken will come true

I don't know how stupid you really are but this thread's entire purpose revolved around the use of hyperbole and why things should not be taken as literal truth. I don't know if you were deceived by my obvious sarcasm when I stated that Amaterasu was as hot as the sun, but you pretty much just argued against yourself :\

 

[MickNerks]

Nice tread!! I agree.

 

[khaydz5]

lmao in naruto , a world of physical things and weapons, why wouldnt a spiritual weapon be held in higher regard than others? i can see if this was bleach or something why you;d say that but really? those weapons as stated before are taken straight from japanese mythology and usually things like that (susanoo, tsukiyomi, ameterasu) are waaaaay more powerful than anything else in the manga. it goes along with the belief like in any religion that physical things are imperfect while spiritual things are perfect
gaaras sand= physical
yata mirror= spiritual



NO if you would stop taking EVERY LITTLE THING literally then you would reach the correct answer i mean use some common sense does it LOOK like haku can move at lightspeed? no
Yata mirror has been stated to be un penetrable. Has it EVER been penetrated? no.
and with itachis death it seems that what i said about it never being broken will come true

I know you're one of those itachi fanboys who failed logic class.

gaara's sand is also said to be the "perfect defense" if you will argue with that argue with kishi.

lol one more thing, if one thing wasn't penetrated yet it doesn't necessarily mean its unpenetrable. you continuously fail in all of your post. we all believe before that susanoo cannot be destroyed but recent chapter shows alot of ways to destroy it. and that yata mirror was just used against a kunai with paper bombs, sasuke's sword and hydra heads bumping to it. too much hype yah? lol

 

[Dantee]

Really, that's weird, databook also says Haku is lightspeed yet he has never moved at lightspeed even when specifically saying he's moving at full speed. Amaterasu is also as hot as the sun yet hasn't instantly vaporized everything in a 100 km radius. Any more support for this other than Susano'o being completely obliterated by Kirin?

lol typical itachi fanboy who can't use logic to defend their character.

why would an "spiritual weapon" be treated superior than other? because it sounds cool?lol or is it because its itachi's arsenal therefore we SHOULD think its invincible? stfu bro. yata mirror is just like some of the "perfect defense" that was introduce in the manga. its not invincible.

I'm tired of arguing about this. Yata Mirror has a special description about how it deflects all attacks. Unless you can get around this Yata Mirror can repel all attacks. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[-Broly-]

I don't know how stupid you really are but this thread's entire purpose revolved around the use of hyperbole and why things should not be taken as literal truth. I don't know if you were deceived by my obvious sarcasm when I stated that Amaterasu was as hot as the sun, but you pretty much just argued against yourself :\

smh ._.
im gonna lay things out for you
zetsu, who obviously had great knowledge of the two weapons seeing as he explained the legend and workings of them and was also placed there by kishi to give commentary, said that it could not be broken through. this is a fact

all the times itachi has ever used the yata blade nothing has ever gotten through it or even been close to getting through it. this is a fact.

i say nothing will ever get through the yata mirror and seeing as how itachi has died, came back, exhibited the yata mirrors defensive prowess again, and "died" again this is most likely true.

Some things should be taken as fact in the manga, for example killer bee is from kumogakure. Other things like ameterasu is as hot as the sun should be taken as an expression. Things like, Hashirama can control wood, should be taken literally. things like haku can move at lightspeed should be considered an expression. You obviously lack the ability known as "common sense" to distinguish between these two things and want to either believe everything as an expression or literally for some reason kishi cant write a manga that has both

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

- There is an obvious contradiction.

- Baseless statement and terrible excuse all in one. You're trying to argue that Yata Mirror's hype is superior.

- I'm not claiming it's a bad defence, simply not invincible. Infact, read what I actually stated right at the end of my post. I know how it works, I know that Kishi overexaggerated its capabilities and I even know there may be a way to outmanoeuvre with elemental combinations. The use of hyperbole was so obvious it's almost sickening.

- You believe.

You are making excuses to argue against Yata Mirrors defensive capabilities by comparing it to obviously inferior weapons or defenses. It seems to me like you a vendetta against Itachi and his weapons. We have seen other defenses falter, we haven't seen the Yata Mirror do so.

Elemental combinations would be useless because the Yata Mirror could create a counter to deflect it no matter what it is as described in the DB and in the manga. You make are making outrageous statements based on what you call common sense, when common sense dictates that your comparisons are invalid.

Your comparisons are like comparing a HS Defensive Lineman to a NFL center. In HS people might say that the D lineman is unstoppable, that he can't be blocked and always gets in the backfield. Do you think that people mean this even in the face of an NFL player? Put him against the NFL center and that HS player will be pancaked.

 

[-Broly-]

I know you're one of those itachi fanboys who failed logic class.

gaara's sand is also said to be the "perfect defense" if you will argue with that argue with kishi.

lol one more thing, if one thing wasn't penetrated yet it doesn't necessarily mean its unpenetrable. you continuously fail in all of your post. we all believe before that susanoo cannot be destroyed but recent chapter shows alot of ways to destroy it. and that yata mirror was just used against a kunai with paper bombs, sasuke's sword and hydra heads bumping to it. too much hype yah? lol

gaaras sand was broken through like a couple episodes after it was introduced against lee. like i said some things hould be taken literally and some as an expression this is the latter of the two. Itachis mirror was never broken and now that hes dead with it its pretty safe to say nothing will ever break it dont you agree?
it wasnt penetrated, itachi died with it. IT wont be penetrated thats pretty easy to understand right?

who believed that susanoo couldnt be destroyed? only an idiot would have believed that.

 

[OnPoint]

You are making excuses to argue against Yata Mirrors defensive capabilities by comparing it to obviously inferior weapons or defenses. It seems to me like you a vendetta against Itachi and his weapons. We have seen other defenses falter, we haven't seen the Yata Mirror do so.

Elemental combinations would be useless because the Yata Mirror could create a counter to deflect it no matter what it is as described in the DB and in the manga. You make are making outrageous statements based on what you call common sense, when common sense dictates that your comparisons are invalid.

Your comparisons are like comparing a HS Defensive Lineman to a NFL center. In HS people might say that the D lineman is unstoppable, that he can't be blocked and always gets in the backfield. Do you think that people mean this even in the face of an NFL player? Put him against the NFL center and that HS player will be pancaked.

You are clearly speaking of the Yata Mirror in a higher regard for no logical reason, probably because you are a fan of Itachi. You speak like the Yata Mirror has some outrageous feats which can even come close to matching its hype, which is totally false. I don't particularly know how obvious Kishi must make his use of hyperbole in order for people not to take statements as absolute. Or perhaps you are also a follower of the 'unparalled' Minato? Either way, i'm taking it that you are trying to remain unreasonably loyal to Itachi or just plain trolling.

Actually, the notion that using one elemental based attack (Rasen-Shuriken) and immediately following up with a totally different elemental attack (something Katon based) in order to weaken the shield seems rather plausible. Common sense? I would take that as realising when hyperbole was used. I honestly didn't think this would present such big of a problem for some people.

American football isn't so big in England =p

smh ._.
im gonna lay things out for you
zetsu, who obviously had great knowledge of the two weapons seeing as he explained the legend and workings of them and was also placed there by kishi to give commentary, said that it could not be broken through. this is a fact

all the times itachi has ever used the yata blade nothing has ever gotten through it or even been close to getting through it. this is a fact.

i say nothing will ever get through the yata mirror and seeing as how itachi has died, came back, exhibited the yata mirrors defensive prowess again, and "died" again this is most likely true.

Some things should be taken as fact in the manga, for example killer bee is from kumogakure. Other things like ameterasu is as hot as the sun should be taken as an expression. Things like, Hashirama can control wood, should be taken literally. things like haku can move at lightspeed should be considered an expression. You obviously lack the ability known as "common sense" to distinguish between these two things and want to either believe everything as an expression or literally for some reason kishi cant write a manga that has both

No, you obviously can't accept the fact that you, a strict Itachi follower, have been overestimating his capabilities (interms of defence). You try and play the 'Zetsu' said it card. By that logic, I also take it that you believe Minato to be unparalled as a shinobi? Because there's been nothing in the manga as of yet to contradict this statement. This is of course, going by your extremely intelligent reasoning?

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In all seriousness, Kishimoto's track record when talking about 'absolute' defenses or how unbeatable someone is has been undesirable to say the least. Kishimoto constantly bestows gratuitous hype when it comes to databooks. That's what it's there for. Anything remotely strong will be described as indestructible or unstoppable. For example, even Hayate's kenjutsu was described as such:

"Furthermore, the mighty attacks are so severe that receiving a blow even from one among the three will inevitably result in a fatal wound."

Nothing in this manga is impenetrable, and Yata Mirror having no limits is merely Itachi wank.

 

[TobisPawn]

Using some people's logic: The Blunt Sword has never been unable to break a defense, so it can break any defense till we see otherwise. Including Perfect Susanoo.

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[-Broly-]

You are clearly speaking of the Yata Mirror in a higher regard for no logical reason, probably because you are a fan of Itachi. You speak like the Yata Mirror has some outrageous feats which can even come close to matching its hype, which is totally false. I don't particularly know how obvious Kishi must make his use of hyperbole in order for people not to take statements as absolute. Or perhaps you are also a follower of the 'unparalled' Minato? Either way, i'm taking it that you are trying to remain unreasonably loyal to Itachi or just plain trolling.

Actually, the notion that using one elemental based attack (Rasen-Shuriken) and immediately following up with a totally different elemental attack (something Katon based) in order to weaken the shield seems rather plausible. Common sense? I would take that as realising when hyperbole was used. I honestly didn't think this would present such big of a problem for some people.

American football isn't so big in England =p



No, you obviously can't accept the fact that you, a strict Itachi follower, have been overestimating his capabilities (interms of defence). You try and play the 'Zetsu' said it card. By that logic, I also take it that you believe Minato to be unparalled as a shinobi? Because there's been nothing in the manga as of yet to contradict this statement. This is of course, going by your extremely intelligent reasoning?

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In all seriousness, Kishimoto's track record when talking about 'absolute' defenses or how unbeatable someone is has been undesirable to say the least. Kishimoto constantly bestows gratuitous hype when it comes to databooks. That's what it's there for. Anything remotely strong will be described as indestructible or unstoppable. For example, even Hayate's kenjutsu was described as such:

"Furthermore, the mighty attacks are so severe that receiving a blow even from one among the three will inevitably result in a fatal wound."

Nothing in this manga is impenetrable, and Yata Mirror having no limits is merely Itachi wank.

at the time why not? jiraiya said he was on his way to being the strongest man alive, the raikage said he was the fastest man alive, whole armies fled at the sight of him so at the time why wouldnt someone say he was unparalled?

sigh you dont get it some things are supposed to be known as just expressions but clearly this is not one of them like i said
it was never beaten in the manga not even once
now that itachi has died with it its clear that it wont be

 

[TobisPawn]

at the time why not? jiraiya said he was on his way to being the strongest man alive, the raikage said he was the fastest man alive, whole armies fled at the sight of him so at the time why wouldnt someone say he was unparalled?

sigh you dont get it some things are supposed to be known as just expressions but clearly this is not one of them like i said
it was never beaten in the manga not even once
now that itachi has died with it its clear that it wont be

Blunt Sword has never been beaten. So it can break Perfect Susanoo!!

 

[-Broly-]

Blunt Sword has never been beaten. So it can break Perfect Susanoo!!

and comparing a mere sword to a mythological spiritual shield is logical lol please go