The uzumaki will be confirmed to be the original blood line

[DeadManWonderLand]

This is what I think tell me your thoughts:

I do believe the Sage was Uzumaki (100% Senju) and when he died his hair turned white like Nagato's

There's no way Uzumaki has Uchiha within them because Naruto would have Uchiha skills if that were the case (which we know isn't)
The sage had become the Jinchuuriki of the Juubi, and from the Juubi, Influence on Uchiha could be born

I know this because i already stated this and so has another person i am talking to on this thread your merely repeating what has already been posted on here if you are not caught up on the pace of the conversation read pages 9 -12 to get the sum of it,that is where most of the noobs left so people with an actual opinion on the subject could talk without their post being separated by rubbish.Anyhow you seem to get the relation between all three so far.

uzumaki(sage) takes in bijuu and at that point become one then the sage has two sons one gets his yin nature the other gets yang nature the power of the sage is then split between them with the uchiha taking on characteristics of the bijuu while the senju ancestor takes on characteristics of the sage himself which is why the senju and uzumaki seem to share a deeper connection

but if i were to break it down into specifics it would go like this

the uchiha ancestor manifest the spiritual chakra into his eyes the yin nature while taking on juubi traits while the senju ancestor take on the life force (yang nature ) and traits of the uzumaki out of the three traits the senju took two with the uzumaki retaining the longevity.

 

[Omaristar]

I understand what you are saying and believed this for quite a while. But I don't believe Uchiha + Senju=Uzumaki. I think it's more like Uzumaki=Senju, they have the traits of the Sage before he sealed the Juubi inside himself. Those trait are life force and physical energy; also believing that love was the ultimate key to peace. Which I believe the Senju strong "Will of Fire" come from.

Now the Older son also inherited traits from the Sage, but they were influenced by the Juubi. The older son inherited the Sage's "eyes" — his powerful chakra and spiritual energy; and may explain were there hatred comes from.

Now as time went on the blood line thinned; the older son descendants branched of into two clan The Uchihas (having stronger traits from the Older son) and The Hyugas ( having weaker traits). As for the Younger son descendents they branched off into two clans the Senju (having more physical energy) and The Uzumaki (having more life force also somehow gaining the Sages sealing abilities). This would explain how the Senju and Uzumaki are related.

So when you mix Uchiha and Senju dna you become more like the Sage himself instead of Uzumaki like you are saying. Does this make sense???

 

[Hikari Uchiha Senju]

Nice,but where are the Hyuugas? :S

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I understand what you are saying and believed this for quite a while. But I don't believe Uchiha + Senju=Uzumaki. I think it's more like Uzumaki=Senju, they have the traits of the Sage before he sealed the Juubi inside himself. Those trait are life force and physical energy; also believing that love was the ultimate key to peace. Which I believe the Senju strong "Will of Fire" come from.

Now the Older son also inherited traits from the Sage, but they were influenced by the Juubi. The older son inherited the Sage's "eyes" — his powerful chakra and spiritual energy; and may explain were there hatred comes from.

Now as time went on the blood line thinned; the older son descendants branched of into two clan The Uchihas (having stronger traits from the Older son) and The Hyugas ( having weaker traits). As for the Younger son descendents they branched off into two clans the Senju (having more physical energy) and The Uzumaki (having more life force also somehow gaining the Sages sealing abilities). This would explain how the Senju and Uzumaki are related.

So when you mix Uchiha and Senju dna you become more like the Sage himself instead of Uzumaki like you are saying. Does this make sense???

The relation between the juubi and uchiha have been noted by mean plenty of time sin this thread already most of what you just said is already explained by me but yes the end part you are correct you become more like the sage.Although i never said you become a uzumkai
specifically just using uzumaki as a stand in for the word sage since he was an uzumaki

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Nice,but where are the Hyuugas? :S

this topic is about the uchha and senju not the hyuuga.And kishi only stated that way back then and has not brought it up since they are not important or relevant to the main branch of the sage either or kishi would of included them by now

 

[Omaristar]

I know it was noted I was just trying to see if I could summarize what you were saying.

 

[garas56]

Elder brother is Uchihas and Hyouga clans yonger brother is Uzumaky and senju clans.The realation is to obvius eyes have to came from the same dojutsu,as the physical energy (senju)and power of life force(uzumakys)-inherited the Sage's "body. of powerful chakra (uchihas) and power of spiritual energy is (hyouga)clans and both inherited the Sage's "eyes.
Its not 3 decendants it's 4 hyouga clan is in ther its wuld be much more reasonable that uzumakys haved camed from senjus and hyougas camed from uchihas.
And No uzumakis is not original of the senju blodline.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I know it was noted I was just trying to see if I could summarize what you were saying.

oh sorry then

 

[Omaristar]

oh sorry then

It's ok. I believe this but wouldn't it make Naruto and Sasuke less of a Body vs Eye or Uchiha vs Senju

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

It's ok. I believe this but wouldn't it make Naruto and Sasuke less of a Body vs Eye or Uchiha vs Senju

Yeah when it comes down to it they will represent each half of the sage basically boiling down to the body vs the eyes again but this time naruto will be the one to finally implement the love and peace all the others hoped to create.

 

[Meowazziel]

It's ok. I believe this but wouldn't it make Naruto and Sasuke less of a Body vs Eye or Uchiha vs Senju

Yeah when it comes down to it they will represent each half of the sage basically boiling down to the body vs the eyes again but this time naruto will be the one to finally implement the love and peace all the others hoped to create.

It wouldnt really be body vs eyes to be honest.

Sasuke will have sharingan + senju dna(mokuton) + rinnegan (mokuton isnt really eyes).
Naruto will have his uzumaki powers + Bijou host powers.

 

[Altaneen]

nope just showing people that uzumaki are awesome and the most powerful ninjas are nagato, naruto mito, and So6P

Fixed.

 

[The Sixth Sage]

The So6P had to originate from some clan, he couldn't have born from nothing. He's how the uchiha and senju were made so he cant be from either of those (duh). The uzi clan were known for long life AND sealing. He sealed the ten tails which would take a powerful seal to begin with. put two and two together

 

[dhaoracle]

I guess we will get a full explaination when the next Manga comes out and shut up a lot of people who think that they know better than Kishi..

 

[max1mus]

Your understanding of biology was really helpful in breaking down this whole lineage issue..well done on the diagram

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

i knew frm the beginning uzumaki nd senjus descended frm the elder son while the hyuga nd senju frm the younger son of the SO6P.

 

[Seventh Hokage]

i knew frm the beginning uzumaki nd senjus descended frm the elder son while the hyuga nd senju frm the younger son of the so6p.

if the uzumaki and senju are desended from the so6p why did mito uzumaki and hashirama senju get married??? Insest much?

 

[julia maltellak]

it's a nice chapter

 

[gazmatic]

Kudos. Anybody who disagrees with you is obviously stupid and you shouldn't waste your time talking to them. Heck! One can argue that the first hokage couldn't have controlled the bijuu if it wasn't for mito. I mean look at the whirlpool insignia and all konoha... Only two clans can directly control bijuu. Uchiha with eyes. Uzamaki with body. Minato is badass mostly because of his skill in sealing. Everything can be sealed. Bijuu, sharingan, amaterasu. I'll even go as far as saying that susanoo can be sealed.

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Kudos. Anybody who disagrees with you is obviously stupid and you shouldn't waste your time talking to them. Heck! One can argue that the first hokage couldn't have controlled the bijuu if it wasn't for mito. I mean look at the whirlpool insignia and all konoha... Only two clans can directly control bijuu. Uchiha with eyes. Uzamaki with body. Minato is badass mostly because of his skill in sealing. Everything can be sealed. Bijuu, sharingan, amaterasu. I'll even go as far as saying that susanoo can be sealed.

So go on about how you can seal a Sharingan and susannoo,Please add a link so i can read this.