The Uchiha were stronger than the Senju.

[Brady]

In this thread we've got people arguing against Tobirama's own words, that the Uchiha awaken power stronger than the Senju. A direct quote from Tobirama Senju, one of the oldest, and most knowledgeable characters in the manga said that.

Yet it's still being argued who the superior clan had been.

No one wants to admit that the Uchiha are stronger. Hashirama carried his entire clan to supremacy. Just because one Senju manages to have an overwhelming power doesn't mean his entire clan would fair well against the Uchiha without his help. We all know that the Uchiha based on potential and the words of Tobirama will always be stronger than the Senju.

 

[Brady]

Could we all just step back for a moment and appreciate how massive of a D-rider OP has to be to claim Uchiha > Senju when the two strongest Senjus floored the two strongest Uchiha during the peak of their powers. Like that is some next tier fappery :lol

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The Uchiha were not at the peak of their power during Madara's time. The era of Obito, Shisui, and Itachi was their peak.

 

[Exaar]

i'll just leave these here

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[DrProof]

Its clear we werent reading the same manga
Tobirama fought izuna,outlasted him and defeated him,while Hashi did the same to madara,so we clearly know which clan is stronger,so your wall of text aint needed.

Two members don't make a clan superior. Clearly. If you use common sense you'd understand why Tobirama said what he said.

It's easy to put a dog on a leash when they don't their own strength.

It's not hard at all to comprehend the Uchiha were the superior. The reason why Obito said the Uchiha stood no chance in the flashback story to Sasuke? Because it was true, the Uchiha didn't know their own strength, hence why there's rarely been MS user's outside of the obvious. If the entire Uchiha clan had awakened that power that put them above the Senju from Tobirama's own mouth (the Mangekyou Sharingan), the Senju clearly without Hashirama, or Tobirama wouldn't have succeeded.

Hashirama > Madara
Tobirama > Izuna

Those were the only anomalies to the Uchiha's superiority.

 

[Brady]

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This info is coming from a man who's clearly experimented on an Uchiha's body and has experience battling them.

 

[Umari Senju]

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Tobarama was afraid cause they could rule the world without Hashirama there to defend the Senju

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In this thread we've got people arguing against Tobirama's own words, that the Uchiha awaken power stronger than the Senju. A direct quote from Tobirama Senju, one of the oldest, and most knowledgeable characters in the manga said that.

Yet it's still being argued who the superior clan had been.

Spoiler

No one wants to admit that the Uchiha are stronger. Hashirama carried his entire clan to supremacy. Just because one Senju manages to have an overwhelming power doesn't mean his entire clan would fair well against the Uchiha without his help. We all know that the Uchiha based on potential and the words of Tobirama will always be stronger than the Senju.

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The Uchiha were not at the peak of their power during Madara's time. The era of Obito, Shisui, and Itachi was their peak.

The issue with this argument is all of you are putting even the average Uchiha on an elite level. You speak as if the average Uchiha back then are walking around with MS EMS Susanoo/Amateratsu/Tsukuyomi wielding army when only two only had this power that Tobirama speaks of.

It wasn't just Hashirama who was the top of the food chain for the Senju. Are you going to deny that Madara was the Uchiha's "Hashirama"?

@bold: Exactly! If they weren't at their full potential back then, why are we stating they are stronger tha. The Senju.

You guys are basing an entire clan off 5 of the most elite of their clan. Tobirama may not have been Hashi but he was strong enough to blitz an MS user at the time (Izuna) and won the fight without Hashirama's assistance.

 

[DrProof]

There has to be a limit to ignorance. Lord have mercy.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Its clear we werent reading the same manga
Tobirama fought izuna,outlasted him and defeated him,while Hashi did the same to madara,so we clearly know which clan is stronger,so your wall of text aint needed.

Clearly you were not reading at all since the whole fight was off panel. Hashirama did not ware out Madara, he still had his sharingan activated. Tobirama also did not outlast Izuna,

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. So if you were unable to read this "wall of text" I just presented for you, then it's obvious that you can't read at all.
ftw it's not a wall of text.

 

[DrProof]

The issue with this argument is all of you are putting even the average Uchiha on an elite level. You speak as if the average Uchiha back then are walking around with MS EMS Susanoo/Amateratsu/Tsukuyomi wielding army when only two only had this power that Tobirama speaks of.

It wasn't just Hashirama who was the top of the food chain for the Senju. Are you going to deny that Madara was the Uchiha's "Hashirama"?

@bold: Exactly! If they weren't at their full potential back then, why are we stating they are stronger tha. The Senju.

You guys are basing an entire clan off 5 of the most elite of their clan. Tobirama may not have been Hashi but he was strong enough to blitz an MS user at the time (Izuna) and won the fight without Hashirama's assistance.

You clearly don't understand. No where did we state the Uchiha were walking with power equal to MS/EMS etc. That's power that Tobirama DIRECTLY stated what made them superior if they awakened it in correlation to the Senju. Without the MS, the Uchiha merely combated the Senju to a standstill, until they eventually lost due to the anaomolies called Hashirama & Tobirama.

Tobirama clearly states with MS the Uchiha were the superior clan. As I stated before, it's easy to leash a dog who's ignorant to their own strength.

 

[Exaar]

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This info is coming from a man who's clearly experimented on an Uchiha's body and has experience battling them.

Then please explain to me why the uchiha couldn't defeat the senju even before hashirama's time?.

 

[Made in Heaven]

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You do realize he's talking about the Sharingan right? Now please tell me you think a 3T would be a problem for Tobirama/Hashirama, or even Tsunade.

BTW

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Tobirama is talking of emotional strength, not this nonsense of the freaking 3T making them stronger than the Senju :lol

The Uchiha were not at the peak of their power during Madara's time.

Nope.

The era of Obito, Shisui, and Itachi was their peak.

None of those fodders stand a chance against EMS Madara.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Also, stop trying to pretend that VIZ is always right and the be all end all, we've already proven time and time again that their translations are extremely sloppy at times, such as when the Hokages arrived on the battle field, Neji VS Kidomaru, and Sasuke explaining 3T Precognition. Fan translations, which translate more word-for-word, say no such thing.

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[DrProof]

Then please explain to me why the uchiha couldn't defeat the senju even before hashirama's time?.

What? They were @ a standstill until Hashirama & Tobirama came around. Don't make shit up man.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Then please explain to me why the uchiha couldn't defeat the senju even before hashirama's time?.

None of them had the mangekyo sharingan before Madara's time. You were even lucky to even get a 3 tomoe.

Comparing feudal age Uchihas to current Uchihas is like comparing dbz/dbs Saiyan's during King vegeta's reign to Saiyans inhabiting earth now.

Also, stop trying to pretend that VIZ is always right and the be all end all, we've already proven time and time again that their translations are extremely sloppy at times, such as when the Hokages arrived on the battle field, Neji VS Kidomaru, and Sasuke explaining 3T Precognition. Fan translations, which translate more word-for-word, say no such thing.

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You're dumb af if you think some fan biased translated fanboy is more correct than the viz translation. They are completely wrong and they do not get the direct quotes from kishi.
They're just language students or search engine that decipher words to their own liking.

 

[Made in Heaven]

You're dumb af if you think some fan biased translated fanboy is more correct than the viz translation.

Yawn

We've already proven time and time again that their translations are extremely sloppy at times, such as when the Hokages arrived on the battle field, Neji VS Kidomaru, and Sasuke explaining 3T Precognition. Fan translations, which translate more word-for-word, say no such thing.

 

[Made in Heaven]

What? They were @ a standstill until Hashirama & Tobirama came around. Don't make shit up man.

So it was Senju = Uchiha for 1000 years then it became Senju > Uchiha during the final years, but Senju aren't stronger? What????

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yawn

We've already proven time and time again that their translations are extremely sloppy at times, such as when the Hokages arrived on the battle field, Neji VS Kidomaru, and Sasuke explaining 3T Precognition. Fan translations, which translate more word-for-word, say no such thing.

It's a good thing you actually didn't. Because no one with actual eyes have seen such a thing. Like I said, dumb af if you think a random non credited source is more correct than Kishi himself. He works with viz while these no names don't.

You don't tell me a forum member is more correct than the guy who wrote the series, that's just plain stupid as shit. Not once have anyone proven viz to be wrong, it's always the other way around. I made threads on faulty fan translation.

 

[Brady]

Then please explain to me why the uchiha couldn't defeat the senju even before hashirama's time?.

Maybe because Kishimoto didn't want that? It's quite obvious

 

[Brady]

It's a good thing you actually didn't. Because no one with actual eyes have seen such a thing. Like I said, dumb af if you think a random non credited source is more correct than Kishi himself. He works with viz while these no names don't.

You don't tell me a forum member is more correct than the guy who wrote the series, that's stupid as shit. Not once have anyone proven viz to be wrong, it's always the other way around. I made threads on faulty fan translation.

There were a few instances where Viz was wrong, however I know the majority of the fanbase is pro Konoha/Naruto anti-Uchiha and will manipulate parts of the manga for their own biases.

 

[Brady]

So it was Senju = Uchiha for 1000 years then it became Senju > Uchiha during the final years, but Senju aren't stronger? What????

Anomalies don't change the average.

Even Tobirama who had FTG feared the Uchiha without his brother at his side because only Hashirama could overcome their strongest member.

In Tobirama's words, the Uchiha are stronger.