The Uchiha were stronger than the Senju.

[DrProof]

Anomalies don't change the average.

Even Tobirama who had FTG feared the Uchiha without his brother at his side because only Hashirama could overcome their strongest member.

In Tobirama's words, the Uchiha are stronger.

I don't understand how this simple fact is being misconstrued.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

There were a few instances where Viz was wrong, however I know the majority of the fanbase is pro Konoha/Naruto anti-Uchiha and will manipulate parts of the manga for their own biases.

Don't recall any wrong viz translation. So if you're saying viz is wrong then you are saying kishi is wrong.
As for the fan translation, look at the faulty writing here...

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[Anbu Knights]

Uchiha are stronger obviously.

Sure Hashirama as a individual drags the Uchiha clan, but that doesn't mean the Senju clan as a whole is stronger.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

You guys use weird sh t. People using tobiramas words about uchiha awakening power that surpasses the senjus(ms, presumably) and then him going on to say that they become so powerful they become hard to handle... like madara.... how many more uchihas do we know that came out like madara? Ok now count how many of those who where alive during the time the senjus and uchihas where warring. It was literally 2 stand outs of each clan, madara, izuna, hashirama, and tobirama, that's literally it. Any speculation on what ANYBODY else in either clan could do is just that, speculative bs. Literally the only other thing we know about anybody individually is that hashis dad = madaras dad and madaras dad had a 3t.

 

[Exaar]

What? They were @ a standstill until Hashirama & Tobirama came around. Don't make shit up man.

What exactly did i make up in that post?.

The person i quoted is trying to say the Uchiha > the Senju in the feudal age and i'm asking why a superior clan such as the uchiha couldn't defeat a inferior clan such as the senju according to his logic of them being stronger, which his only reply was "cuz kishi"

None of them had the mangekyo sharingan before Madara's time. You were even lucky to even get a 3 tomoe.

Comparing feudal age Uchihas to current Uchihas is like comparing dbz/dbs Saiyan's during King vegeta's reign to Saiyans inhabiting earth now.
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The OP is talking about feudal age Uchiha though, So of course i'm going to compare feudal age uchiha to feudal age senju and not recent uchiha's.

 

[DrProof]

You guys use weird sh t. People using tobiramas words about uchiha awakening power that surpasses the senjus(ms, presumably) and then him going on to say that they become so powerful they become hard to handle... like madara.... how many more uchihas do we know that came out like madara? Ok now count how many of those who where alive during the time the senjus and uchihas where warring. It was literally 2 stand outs of each clan, madara, izuna, hashirama, and tobirama, that's literally it. Any speculation on what ANYBODY else in either clan could do is just that, speculative bs. Literally the only other thing we know about anybody individually is that hashis dad = madaras dad and madaras dad had a 3t.

Tobirama stated if the Uchiha unlocked their hidden prowess (MS), they'd become the superior of the two clans. It's literally that simple I don't understand what more needs to be said.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Only when they become like madara they become hard to handle and last I checked there is only one madara. not even sasuke with ems reached madara's lvl's. Tobirama's only fear was another uchiha as strong as madara. He makes it clear many times to the point where oro thinks its an obsession.

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But we all know for a fact madara is an anomaly amongst his clan, his peers heck even amongst his transmigrants (only sasuke and indra reached comparable heights) so his whole saying that "if they become like madara" is just a worst case scenario that in all actuality would never happen.

Tobirama stated if the Uchiha unlocked their hidden prowess (MS), they'd become the superior of the two clans. It's literally that simple I don't understand what more needs to be said.

Not what he's saying, its very madara specific. Izuma unlocked ms and he wasn't "like madara" wasn't even close.


If another madara were to emerge he can be dealt with right away:

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He makes it clear he's seen many Ms users, but it only becomes a problem when it hits madara levels

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[DrProof]

What exactly did i make up in that post?.

The person i quoted is trying to say the Uchiha > the Senju in the feudal age and i'm asking why a superior clan such as the uchiha couldn't defeat a inferior clan such as the senju according to his logic of them being stronger, which his only reply was "cuz kishi"



The OP is talking about feudal age Uchiha though, So of course i'm going to compare feudal age uchiha to feudal age senju and not recent uchiha's.

feudal Senju = feudal Uchiha

Hashirama + Tobirama + feudal Senju > Madara + Izuna + feudal Uchiha

MS awakened feudal Uchiha > feudal Senju (overall, without the anomalies: Hashirama, Madara, Tobirama, and Izuna).

That's how it goes.

 

[DrProof]

Only when they become like madara they become hard to handle and last I checked there is only one madara. not even sasuke with ems reached madara's lvl's. Tobirama's only fear was another uchiha as strong as madara. He makes it clear many times to the point where oro thinks its an obsession.

Be e all know for a fact madara is an anomaly amongst his clan, his peers heck even amongst his transmigrants (only sasuke and indra reached comparable heights) so his whole saying that "if they become like madara" is just a worst case scenario that in all actuality would never happen.

He said "like Madara" that doesn't equate to Madara levels of power... Clearly. Tobirama obviously means awakening the power of MS, and spiralling further into hatred which could transgress into the EMS etc etc.

 

[Clown World]

Tobirama stated if the Uchiha unlocked their hidden prowess (MS), they'd become the superior of the two clans. It's literally that simple I don't understand what more needs to be said.

that is true, but that obviously is a comparison to the average senju not outliers which any ms user automatically becomes in their clan, and also throughout the feudal times its not fallacious to assume that some uchiha had awakened ms or 3t considering how easily it was given away in shippuden suggesting some senju could stalemate ms users, especially how everything happens in generations in naruto.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He said "like Madara" that doesn't equate to Madara levels of power... Clearly. Tobirama obviously means awakening the power of MS, and spiralling further into hatred which could transgress into the EMS etc etc.

already addressed that, and he disagrees with you:

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the only time it can't be stopped is when it hits madara levels of power. Tobirama already stopped an ms user, yet he knows not to play any games when to comes to madara, and potential future madaras.

 

[DrProof]

that is true, but that obviously is a comparison to the average senju not outliers which any ms user automatically becomes in their clan, and also throughout the feudal times its not fallacious to assume that some uchiha had awakened ms or 3t considering how easily it was given away in shippuden suggesting some senju could stalemate ms users, especially how everything happens in generations in naruto.

3T? Naturally. MS? Not so much. Hell the same case could be said for the Senju. Could've had Senju with FTG, and wood release.

FTG being most likely. Wood release being doubtfully. You can use that logic in many different ways. However, sticking with what we know through manga context is always better.

 

[DrProof]

already addressed that, and he disagrees with you:

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the only time it can't be stopped is when it hits madara levels of power. Tobirama already stopped an ms user, yet he knows not to play any games when to comes to madara, and potential future madaras.

What do you mean he disagrees with me lol? Are you telling me every Uchiha who follows the same path as Madara can awaken akin power rivaling the Indra transmigrant? :lol that'd be a foolish assertion clearly.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What do you mean he disagrees with me lol? Are you telling me every Uchiha who follows the same path as Madara can awaken akin power rivaling the Indra transmigrant? :lol that'd be a foolish assertion clearly.

Yet it's only the transmigrant power that he feared. So clearly it's not in reference to MS, like you think it is. He feared the potential of another madara without knowing anything about transmigrants.

 

[kiiro]

Rule number 1. Dont fight and Uchiha alone.

Is ther any rule to fight a dangerous Senju?

Tsunade is descendant of Senju yet not even compared to Tobirama or Hashirama. So how would the no name senju level be?
No name Uchihas at least you dont fight them alone.

Even Kakashi not being a Uchiha, with their power had a good power up.

 

[kiiro]

He clearly states that the Uchiha's love grants them a power greater than that of the Senju's.

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He clearly stresses that the Uchiha's love drives them to a point of being unstoppable. Why would Tobirama consider the Uchiha unstoppable with the right circumstances? Simple, he knew that Hashirama was an anomaly and without him the Uchiha were unable to be beaten.

It took only Obito and Itachi to kill them all in only few minutes or hours. As Hokage, he can set a plan like that.

 

[DrProof]

Benj, tomorrow man. I'm currently debating this on my phone. I'll hop on my laptop and rebuttal tomorrow.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Benj, tomorrow man. I'm currently debating this on my phone. I'll hop on my laptop and rebuttal tomorrow.

cool.

 

[kiiro]

He's known for his Shunshin jutsu but he doesn't have the feats to blitz or even keep up with Madara, let alone Hashirama.

Let alone Hashirama?

It was Sennin Mode Hashirama that was needed to keep with Madara using Sharingan. Madara Speed > Hashirama's

 

[kiiro]

Shisui was never implied to be faster than Itachi.

If you link some filler material so help me God.

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Yep

Nop.

Madara Rinnegan = Madara MSE + Hashirama > Madara MSE > Madara Sharingan.

You got the scales wrong.