The Uchiha are indisputably the strongest clan

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Let’s be honest, Madara and Izuna being the first to ever manifest the Mangekyou sharingan despite countless generations of extreme Uchiha heartache and love was BS in itself, but then for BOTH of them to not have unique MS techniques just added to it, then add to the fact that Izuna didn’t even have the Susano’o and you see how dumb Kishimoto is. Must it be mentioned that after the founding of Konoha, Uchiha magically started sprouting the MS and they had unique abilities?

Now here’s another point, Uchiha with the sharingan can copy every non-KKG jutsu to use on the fly, and can utilize semi-precognition but you’re telling me plain Senju with literally nothing unique about them could counter Uchiha? I didn’t even mention their innate genjutsu capability, ability to see through genjutsu, the ability to see chakra through solid objects, or their forbidden sharingan techniques (kinjutsu). Also considering how they were mysteriously losing to the Senju, they never got desperate and used the kinjutsu as opposed to dying with their eye sight perfectly intact? Foh.

Here’s the kicker though, Hashirama alone was the reason why the Senju were called the most powerful clan of feudal times, obviously he was stronger than every individual on the planet due to his enormous chakra reserves. And he was the only person on the planet that could defeat Madara. Now insert what I said in the opening portion of this thread here and you’ll see the bs in Izuna’s defeat to Tobirama, yet Izuna was said to be Madara’s equal. Let’s also mention that Izuna was restricted from using izanagi to undo what had happened but sure. Kishimoto is an idiot.

Most of the techniques that Tobirama invented were hand-sign based and could be copied by the sharingan, and majority of Uchiha had 3T so they literally had the benefit of everything. Even the skill-less, failure Obito started to rape out of nowhere when he manifested his 2 tomoe, which was his sharingan awakening.

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Powerful chakra, KKG with infinite potential and can literally control reality. The most OP and ignorantly plot restricted clan in the NV.
  1. Produced the first genius shinobi god to manifest and master the MS, EMS and Rinnegan: Madara
  2. Produced the man that first tamed and used Kurama as a weapon: Madara
  3. Produced the first Uchiha to control senjutsu chakra with neg dif: Madara
  4. Produced 3 gods of tyrannical self-hate and adamant Senju ass-kissers: Shisui, Itachi and Sasuke.
  5. Produced 4 Sages of Six Paths: Madara, Obito, Sasuke and Nagato.
  6. Produced the one all around god of the NV, that also forced 2 ancient but lesser gods (Hago and his mom) to emerge: Madara
Senju:
powerful chakra and life-force; plot allowed them to “tie” with the Uchiha until Hashirama who manifested Wood release and Sage Mode out of nowhere. Tobirama developed their entire arsenal. They hated themselves so much that they decided to dilute their blood and assimilate into inferior clans.
  1. Produced the first god of Shinobi who was OP: Hashirama
  2. Produced Tobirama who created the Edo Tensei, Flying Raijin, Shadow Clone Jutsu, and other techniques
  3. Produced the man that tamed all of the bijuu: Hashirama
  4. Partially contributed to Nagato’s genetic composition
Uzumaki:
Were only paraded because Mito was Hashirama’s wife and the first Jinchuriki of Kurama. Thusly they found something other than pleasing pure blooded Senju that her people were good for. Excluding their life-force and fuinjutsu, they aren’t anything special. Despite their hype, they got annihilated and fled from their village. Oof
  1. Partially contributed to Nagato’s genetic composition
>Hyuga are decent, certainly arguable to be ranked above the Uzumaki in terms of worth in battle. But they aren’t Uchiha. They’re definitely more valuable than the Senju on paper when we disregard the unfounded Senju hype.
  1. Produced Neji for cannon fodder
  2. Produced Hinata for breeding stock with a mongrel
  3. Produced Hizashi and Hisashi to wish they were as powerful and feared as the Uchiha
The other Konoha clans are irrelevant.​
 

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Senju/Uzumaki are the stronger than the Uchiha.


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Hashirama > Madara

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There are no corresponding Senju/Uzumaki who are in the same generation as Shisui and Itachi.
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Naruto > Sasuke
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Black Zetsu had been trying to revive Kaguya for a millennia, using the Uchiha/descendants of Indra. A thousand years of the Uchiha unable to outperform the Senju. Despite coaching from the shadows by Zetsu.
 
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Senju/Uzumaki are the stronger than the Uchiha.


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Hashirama > Madara

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Naruto > Sasuke
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Black Zetsu had been trying to revive Kaguya for a millennia, using the Uchiha/descendants of Indra. A thousand years of the Uchiha unable to outperform the Senju. Despite coaching from the shadows by Zetsu.
False on literally all accounts, not to mention that you ignored where I addressed all of the blatant and undeniable advantages that the Uchiha have had and their nerfs/restrictions. And Zetsu didn’t coach not a single Uchiha from the shadow or otherwise. Lmao stahp

That character list you created is irrelevant especially because it’s biased and not factual. The moment you said Tobirama > Izuna, I knew you didn’t read the OP or you couldn’t contest any of the points made there and just said “screw it, I’ll just post this”
 

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I see you’re lost, so let me help you:

Restrictions placed upon the Uchiha:
>Being made Senju “equals” despite having all advantages
>No thoughts of learning/obtaining personal Sage mode
>No Using Izanagi in battle (literally every 3T Uchiha could use it)
-Only Obito used it in battle.​
>No using Izanami in battle (every Uchiha could do this too)
-Only Itachi used this in battle.​
>Obtaining MS
Only 6 manifested it out of countless generations​
4 had doujutsu techniques (Shisui, Itachi, Sasuke and Obito​
3 required help (Obito, Itachi and Sasuke)​
2 didn’t have doujutsu techniques at all (Mada&Izu)​
1 didn’t even have Susano’o (Izuna)​
>Not capitalizing on their innate genjutsu affinity in the Feudal era. MS genjutsu > 3T genjutsu, yet neither Mada nor Izuna were allowed to use it.
>Prevented from copying and mastering many, if not all jutsu in any/every era
>Rarely, if ever, created new jutsu.
>Only passed down Fire techniques
>Not using all Six Paths of the Rinnegan
>Not casting genjutsu on their respective reincarnated Ashura counterparts
>Not having an Indra reincarnate that manifest retarded, fucking OP abilities in one lifetime, and isn’t nerfed.
>Nerfed Indra reincarnates to act dumb and allow the Ashura to win

Contest these without nonsense and I’ll concede.
 

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It's kind of obvious the Uchiha have Indra's talent(natural geniuses), his powerful chakra(meaning more potent jutsu) and yin release(genjutsu ability). They are gifted even before the awakening of the Sharingan. From Tobirama's own words it's something that can't be rivalled. And since it gets stronger the more charged an Uchiha is, one would assume their chakra and jutsu get stronger as a result.

Then there's the Sharingan's abilities, if actually utilised by the Uchiha would make them unmatchable. They can see in slow motion, so react faster and deal with opponents. They have predictive movement to counter thaijutsu and combining the two powers see a jutsu the opponent may use if it's used against them. They can see chakra and changes in it so can see through genjutsu. Combining the three + the ability to copy anything they see. Providing they meet the conditons(have DNA etc) they can use the jutsu. They can cast eye contact genjutsu even subtly incapacitating the opponent or fooling them enough to kill them off with a blitz beheading. How can one really match that? I also heard that Chiyo said when facing an Uchiha you do it in pairs or something.

They can't which is why Kishimoto's shit story telling makes no sense. You could argue the Senju countered it with SM, but only Hashirama was shown using it so..

:lmao: at the one claiming the Uzumaki are even relevant to the discussion, they were a subsection subordinate clan that gave their women to Konoha.
 

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Senju/Uzumaki are the stronger than the Uchiha.


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Hashirama > Madara

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Black Zetsu had been trying to revive Kaguya for a millennia, using the Uchiha/descendants of Indra. A thousand years of the Uchiha unable to outperform the Senju. Despite coaching from the shadows by Zetsu.

what teh loud of bulllshit im reading here...exept for Tobirama > izuna..
 
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>Being made Senju “equals” despite having all advantage
That's true

>No thoughts of learning/obtaining personal Sage mode
Sage Mode isn't the easiest thing to learn and anyone whose watched Naruto's training with Fukkasaku knows this as well.





You also need high chakra reserves to learn Sage Mode as well, which Uchihas don't have with the exception of Madara.


>No Using Izanagi in battle (literally every 3T Uchiha could use it)
-Only Obito used it in battle.
It was used throughout the war in the feudal era and the Izanami would eventually turn Uchihas evil, which Itachi explains after he used the Izanagi on Kabuto.

Obtaining MS
Only 6 manifested it out of countless generations4 had doujutsu techniques (Shisui, Itachi, Sasuke and Obito3 required help (Obito, Itachi and Sasuke)2 didn’t have doujutsu techniques at all (Mada&Izu)1 didn’t even have Susano’o (Izuna
Not all Uchiha awaken the Sharigan. This is common knowledge to most readers.

Not capitalizing on their innate genjutsu affinity in the Feudal era. MS genjutsu > 3T genjutsu, yet neither Mada nor Izuna were allowed to use it.
Genjutsu wouldn't have been much of a factor because Tobirama's Flying Rajin would've been to fast for the Sharigan to track down and Hashirama can use Sage Mode with his eyes closed as well.
>Prevented from copying and mastering many, if not all jutsu in any/every era
When the Sharigan copies a jutsu it's only temporary and before anyone mentions Sarada and Kakashi.

1. Sarada was with Sakura during that time, so it's likely that Sakura helped her after Sarada copied it Gaiden.

2. Kakashi got the Sharigan after he became a Chunin and we can't know for certain that he copied Rasengan or if Minato taught it to him or maybe both, but who knows.

When Sasuke copied Rock Lee's Jutsu he wasn't shown to move that fast again until the Final Valley Part 1.
>Rarely, if ever, created new jutsu.
Uchiha are fire nature shinobi and before anyone mentions Sasuke he didn't develop it until after Kakashi taught him the Chidori and the majority of the Shinobi have never invented a Jutsu. Probably like 12 out of all the villages, but I'm just estimating here.
>Only passed down Fire techniques
Uchiha are fire style shinobi, which is common knowledge amongst readers.

>Not having an Indra reincarnate that manifest retarded, fucking OP abilities in one lifetime, and isn’t nerfed.
Uchihas have different abilities and not of the Sharigan abilities are the same and anyone whose watched Madara, Sasuke, Itachi, Obito, etc fight knows this.
>Nerfed Indra reincarnates to act dumb and allow the Ashura to
The only one who has Indura's chakra is Sasuke and Madara before him back when he was alive.

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haruno is the strongest clan. only 1 member trained to be a ninja and she's equal to RSM and Rinnegan users. Statistically speaking, 100% of the haruno ninjas are broken or will eventually be so such as Sarada and her unborn children. no one is as naturally strong as her whereas the uchihas need handouts to hit EMS. Sakura also needs just two techniques to rofl stomp anyone whereas the senju need a plethora of them to go even with uchihas.
 

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That's true



Sage Mode isn't the easiest thing to learn and anyone whose watched Naruto's training with Fukkasaku knows this as well.





You also need high chakra reserves to learn Sage Mode as well, which Uchihas don't have with the exception of Madara.




It was used throughout the war in the feudal era and the Izanami would eventually turn Uchihas evil, which Itachi explains after he used the Izanagi on Kabuto.



Not all Uchiha awaken the Sharigan. This is common knowledge to most readers.



Genjutsu wouldn't have been much of a factor because Tobirama's Flying Rajin would've been to fast for the Sharigan to track down and Hashirama can use Sage Mode with his eyes closed as well.


When the Sharigan copies a jutsu it's only temporary and before anyone mentions Sarada and Kakashi.

1. Sarada was with Sakura during that time, so it's likely that Sakura helped her after Sarada copied it Gaiden.

2. Kakashi got the Sharigan after he became a Chunin and we can't know for certain that he copied Rasengan or if Minato taught it to him or maybe both, but who knows.

When Sasuke copied Rock Lee's Jutsu he wasn't shown to move that fast again until the Final Valley Part 1.


Uchiha are fire nature shinobi and before anyone mentions Sasuke he didn't develop it until after Kakashi taught him the Chidori and the majority of the Shinobi have never invented a Jutsu. Probably like 12 out of all the villages, but I'm just estimating here.


Uchiha are fire style shinobi, which is common knowledge amongst readers.



Uchihas have different abilities and not of the Sharigan abilities are the same and anyone whose watched Madara, Sasuke, Itachi, Obito, etc fight knows this.


The only one who has Indura's chakra is Sasuke and Madara before him back when he was alive.

This'll be my only comment!
- Indeed

-The Uchiha clan were prevented from even thinking of obtaining Sage Mode on their own. Even Sasuke who’s seen the advantages of it first hand has been barred from pursuing it.

Also all Uchihas have high chakra reserves.

-It wasn’t though, if the Uchiha were at war then why pull punches? What Itachi said was a crock of shit and them not using Izanagi in battles against the Senju was a blatant restriction and nerf for the purpose of allowing the Senju to survive.

-You missed the point entirely, again only 6 Uchiha in history manifested the Mangekyou sharingan despite countless generations of grief and love at war. That alone was a nerf, but the two that could’ve ended the war in the Uchiha favor (Madara and Izuna) weren’t given special doujutsu techniques, and Izuna didn’t even have a Susano’o. This is common knowledge to most readers.

-False, MS genjutsu could allow Izuna to convince Tobirama that he’d killed Izuna with flying Raijin, in reality he didn’t. It also opens up Izuna to control Senju members and have them turn against Tobirama. Hell Tobirama himself would be susceptible if Perfect Jinchuriki were. Hashirama is the only untouchable one in this scenario since he has Wood Release and several gigantic Wood avatars. But without them, on the battlefield he would need to stand motionless and gather senjutsu in order to break MS genjutsu.

-False, what makes you think that Uchiha can’t remember what moves they’ve copied? Lmao stop

-Which is why they are nerfed and restricted. Why the hell would a clan that specializes in mastery of copying techniques and whose forefather literally created Ninjutsu be reduced to only Fire Nature? Please explain how that’s logical.

-Again that is common knowledge, now explain what I told you to above

-Missed the point entirely and actually deflected. Why didn’t a Uchiha in early history manifest multiple god tier ocular jutsu?

-My point exactly and as mentioned Madara was nerfed so fiercely that I’m not counting him. despite Sasuke having endless advantages over Naruto, he was made to behave ignorantly and lost.

Good thing that was your only comment, I’d hate to have to dismantle your “points” any further.
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It's kind of obvious the Uchiha have Indra's talent(natural geniuses), his powerful chakra(meaning more potent jutsu) and yin release(genjutsu ability). They are gifted even before the awakening of the Sharingan. From Tobirama's own words it's something that can't be rivalled. And since it gets stronger the more charged an Uchiha is, one would assume their chakra and jutsu get stronger as a result.

Then there's the Sharingan's abilities, if actually utilised by the Uchiha would make them unmatchable. They can see in slow motion, so react faster and deal with opponents. They have predictive movement to counter thaijutsu and combining the two powers see a jutsu the opponent may use if it's used against them. They can see chakra and changes in it so can see through genjutsu. Combining the three + the ability to copy anything they see. Providing they meet the conditons(have DNA etc) they can use the jutsu. They can cast eye contact genjutsu even subtly incapacitating the opponent or fooling them enough to kill them off with a blitz beheading. How can one really match that? I also heard that Chiyo said when facing an Uchiha you do it in pairs or something.

They can't which is why Kishimoto's shit story telling makes no sense. You could argue the Senju countered it with SM, but only Hashirama was shown using it so..

:lmao: at the one claiming the Uzumaki are even relevant to the discussion, they were a subsection subordinate clan that gave their women to Konoha.
Nothing but facts :lmao:
 
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Senju/Uzumaki are the stronger than the Uchiha.


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Hashirama > Madara

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Black Zetsu had been trying to revive Kaguya for a millennia, using the Uchiha/descendants of Indra. A thousand years of the Uchiha unable to outperform the Senju. Despite coaching from the shadows by Zetsu.
Once again you post bs, get bodied, and run away.
 
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Let’s be honest, Madara and Izuna being the first to ever manifest the Mangekyou sharingan despite countless generations of extreme Uchiha heartache and love was BS in itself, but then for BOTH of them to not have unique MS techniques just added to it, then add to the fact that Izuna didn’t even have the Susano’o and you see how dumb Kishimoto is. Must it be mentioned that after the founding of Konoha, Uchiha magically started sprouting the MS and they had unique abilities?

Now here’s another point, Uchiha with the sharingan can copy every non-KKG jutsu to use on the fly, and can utilize semi-precognition but you’re telling me plain Senju with literally nothing unique about them could counter Uchiha? I didn’t even mention their innate genjutsu capability, ability to see through genjutsu, the ability to see chakra through solid objects, or their forbidden sharingan techniques (kinjutsu). Also considering how they were mysteriously losing to the Senju, they never got desperate and used the kinjutsu as opposed to dying with their eye sight perfectly intact? Foh.

Here’s the kicker though, Hashirama alone was the reason why the Senju were called the most powerful clan of feudal times, obviously he was stronger than every individual on the planet due to his enormous chakra reserves. And he was the only person on the planet that could defeat Madara. Now insert what I said in the opening portion of this thread here and you’ll see the bs in Izuna’s defeat to Tobirama, yet Izuna was said to be Madara’s equal. Let’s also mention that Izuna was restricted from using izanagi to undo what had happened but sure. Kishimoto is an idiot.

Most of the techniques that Tobirama invented were hand-sign based and could be copied by the sharingan, and majority of Uchiha had 3T so they literally had the benefit of everything. Even the skill-less, failure Obito started to rape out of nowhere when he manifested his 2 tomoe, which was his sharingan awakening.

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Uchiha
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Powerful chakra, KKG with infinite potential and can literally control reality. The most OP and ignorantly plot restricted clan in the NV.
  1. Produced the first genius shinobi god to manifest and master the MS, EMS and Rinnegan: Madara
  2. Produced the man that first tamed and used Kurama as a weapon: Madara
  3. Produced the first Uchiha to control senjutsu chakra with neg dif: Madara
  4. Produced 3 gods of tyrannical self-hate and adamant Senju ass-kissers: Shisui, Itachi and Sasuke.
  5. Produced 4 Sages of Six Paths: Madara, Obito, Sasuke and Nagato.
  6. Produced the one all around god of the NV, that also forced 2 ancient but lesser gods (Hago and his mom) to emerge: Madara
Senju:
powerful chakra and life-force; plot allowed them to “tie” with the Uchiha until Hashirama who manifested Wood release and Sage Mode out of nowhere. Tobirama developed their entire arsenal. They hated themselves so much that they decided to dilute their blood and assimilate into inferior clans.
  1. Produced the first god of Shinobi who was OP: Hashirama
  2. Produced Tobirama who created the Edo Tensei, Flying Raijin, Shadow Clone Jutsu, and other techniques
  3. Produced the man that tamed all of the bijuu: Hashirama
  4. Partially contributed to Nagato’s genetic composition
Uzumaki:
Were only paraded because Mito was Hashirama’s wife and the first Jinchuriki of Kurama. Thusly they found something other than pleasing pure blooded Senju that her people were good for. Excluding their life-force and fuinjutsu, they aren’t anything special. Despite their hype, they got annihilated and fled from their village. Oof
  1. Partially contributed to Nagato’s genetic composition
>Hyuga are decent, certainly arguable to be ranked above the Uzumaki in terms of worth in battle. But they aren’t Uchiha. They’re definitely more valuable than the Senju on paper when we disregard the unfounded Senju hype.
  1. Produced Neji for cannon fodder
  2. Produced Hinata for breeding stock with a mongrel
  3. Produced Hizashi and Hisashi to wish they were as powerful and feared as the Uchiha
The other Konoha clans are irrelevant.​
Yeah its dumb on his part to want us to believe that there was no Uchiha ever awakened MS before Madara
 
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Senju was stronger, Madara only overcame Hashirama cus he has blood of Senju to help him.
Clearly they weren’t, otherwise the Uchiha wouldn’t have had to be nerfed. Hashirama only overcame a susanoo only Madara because he had:
-Instant self healing
-Sage Mode
-Bottomless chakra
-Wood release

Senju dna means fuc* all tbh, aside from being able to control the Mezo (when coupled with the Rinnegan). Hashirama’s DNA is the only goldmine of the NV, he alone is why the Senju are relevant. Madara only leveled the playing field as it should’ve always been.
 
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Clearly they weren’t, otherwise the Uchiha wouldn’t have had to be nerfed. Hashirama only overcame a susanoo only Madara because he had:
-Instant self healing
-Sage Mode
-Bottomless chakra
-Wood release

Senju dna means fuc* all tbh, aside from being able to control the Mezo (when coupled with the Rinnegan). Hashirama’s DNA is the only goldmine of the NV, he alone is why the Senju are relevant. Madara only leveled the playing field as it should’ve always been.
Off screen they were bigger than Uchiha for a long time.
 
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