The truth about the Mangekyo Sharingan!
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MS_Evolution
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Agreed. (=
The basic way to get the MS is to have someone close to you die.
Sasuke because of Itachi's death, Kakashi because of Obito's death (although unconfirmed since he had it for a long time), and Itachi got his because of Shisui's death.
It doesn't necessarily have to be you killing your best friend, it just has to be someone that's really important to you dying (perhaps in front of your eyes).
If Sasuke kills his best friend (as Itachi said), it'd fulfill the above conditions and he'd obtain MS. Itachi just gave him a way to get it, which fulfills the conditions without actually telling him the conditions.
There are possibly other ways to get it, although unlikely.
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have yall noticed that madara, sasuke, itachi, and kakshi all have different mangekyou sharingans....
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yeh i think there is a reason thats bigger than what we all think at the moment, but i cnt quite put my finger on it, i think that its a key of some sort.
ps...just a guess not a theory
ps...just a guess not a theory
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1.I think you obtain the MS if you feel responsible for the death of the person closest to you so the easiest way would be to just kill him.In Kakashis case he feels responsible thats why he always stands on Obitos grave every morning.
2.Itachi told Sasuke to kill his best friend so he doesnt.That plan worked out since Sasuke always said that he wouldnt follow his path but his own path and obtain power his way.
2.Itachi told Sasuke to kill his best friend so he doesnt.That plan worked out since Sasuke always said that he wouldnt follow his path but his own path and obtain power his way.
zumorikato
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To tell you the real truth regarding the MS
I dont think that the Amaterasu and the Tsukuyomi and Susano are available to any MS user.
I think that each individual MS user have their own abilities, not like most people think that because they have the MS they can use those techniques(Im revering to the people inside NB with their battles.) Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susano are unique to Itachi only. Just like the space warp ninjitsu is unique to Madara, even tho Kakshi have a similar ability to Madara's space warp jitsu. (But this is where the Obito Tobi Madara) or shot OTM theory comes in. I honestly dont think that Sasuke have the abilty to use the Amaterasu, it was Itachis MS that developed and casted the Amaterasu at Madara, not Sasukes!!! Sasuke might be able to call that ability since Itachi gave his ability to him, but it is not Sasukes own MS that have those abilities.
I dont hope that I burst a few people's bubbles regarding their battles here on NB, but I will only accept the fact that all the people who have developed the MS have the same abilities, when Sasuke starts to space time warp, or Kakashi does Susano. Which I highly doubt will happen.
Please let me know if you disagree or agree and please state with proof why?
Thanx. I would like to see how this turns out.
I dont think that the Amaterasu and the Tsukuyomi and Susano are available to any MS user.
I think that each individual MS user have their own abilities, not like most people think that because they have the MS they can use those techniques(Im revering to the people inside NB with their battles.) Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susano are unique to Itachi only. Just like the space warp ninjitsu is unique to Madara, even tho Kakshi have a similar ability to Madara's space warp jitsu. (But this is where the Obito Tobi Madara) or shot OTM theory comes in. I honestly dont think that Sasuke have the abilty to use the Amaterasu, it was Itachis MS that developed and casted the Amaterasu at Madara, not Sasukes!!! Sasuke might be able to call that ability since Itachi gave his ability to him, but it is not Sasukes own MS that have those abilities.
I dont hope that I burst a few people's bubbles regarding their battles here on NB, but I will only accept the fact that all the people who have developed the MS have the same abilities, when Sasuke starts to space time warp, or Kakashi does Susano. Which I highly doubt will happen.
Please let me know if you disagree or agree and please state with proof why?
Thanx. I would like to see how this turns out.
we wont see kakashi do susano even if all MS are the same because it requires both MS eyes
also I think Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi can be used by all MS users, and only the third technique, that uses both eyes is different for everyone, maybe I'm wrong here I dont remember well but didnt kakashi knew of Tsukuyomi when he first battle Itachi? if thats true than Tsukuyomi is common doujutsu for any MS user
zumorikato
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Smart one you!!! I will agree with you, regarding Susanoo, because what you say makes sense, that you need both eyes for that, but Kakashi have his left Eye I cant remember but I think that is the same eye that is used for Amaterasu, so he might should have atleast be able then to do that(If it is Tsukuyomi, then swap Amaterasu with it please.) if I recall correctly Kakashi didnt now of Tsukuyomi, only when Itachi explained it to him, while he was doing that Technique, Kakshi didnt know before Itachi told him.we wont see kakashi do susano even if all MS are the same because it requires both MS eyes
also I think Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi can be used by all MS users, and only the third technique, that uses both eyes is different for everyone, maybe I'm wrong here I dont remember well but didnt kakashi knew of Tsukuyomi when he first battle Itachi? if thats true than Tsukuyomi is common doujutsu for any MS user
And if you look at the Japanese mythology, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susano all go together, so you wont get a part where Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi go together and the last do jutsu will differ, sorry my friend, but I still think that every MS user's do jutsu is unique.
zumorikato
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I agree with you, we are still in the dark. I just presume that this is the case. since it would not be cool if all the MS users abilities are the same. This comes to my second conclusion. If a MS user takes another MS users Eyes, to get the EMS/PMS. the 2 MS overlaps with each other. My guess would be, addition to the Immortality part the PMS/EMS user will be able to use both the MS abilities of the eyes that he took.well that may be, we will see for sure when madara will use his MS
That is my conclusion.
zumorikato
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That is exactly what Im getting at. The thing is just, we havent seen Madara's true power, nor have we seen Pains true power. But just the fact that Pain have six bodies, that specializes in every different aspect. Makes it a very difficult person to combat. And we dont even know what his eyes technique is capable of, except that he can see with 6 different bodies and that he can astral project different bodies to different places. with those six bodies, I think that he might be able to see more than even the Sharingan can. Well we still need to find out.so that would mean 3MS techinques + 3MS techinques + 1 from EMS = 7 doujutsu techinques!!!!!!!!
pein has 5 bodies now because jiraya killed one, assuming that he cant make another one, this 6-bodies thing reminds me of the horcruxes in harry potter!?!
and thinking of the rinnengan powers I'd say the byakugan is better at this "360 view" because the byakungan can see everywhere at the same time, I mean if all the rinnengan bodies turn in a certain direction or if they ar distracted with some jutsu they cant see, but the byakungan could
and thinking of the rinnengan powers I'd say the byakugan is better at this "360 view" because the byakungan can see everywhere at the same time, I mean if all the rinnengan bodies turn in a certain direction or if they ar distracted with some jutsu they cant see, but the byakungan could
zumorikato
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Great analysis. But I have already talked about that scenario before you where here, where every body argued about what is stronger, the Byakugan, shringan, MS, EMS/PMS. And I basically said, that it doesnt matter what Eye technique the person have, it all comes down to how good you can use it, and how well it complements your fighting style as well as the elements that you use.pein has 5 bodies now because jiraya killed one, assuming that he cant make another one, this 6-bodies thing reminds me of the horcruxes in harry potter!?!
and thinking of the rinnengan powers I'd say the byakugan is better at this "360 view" because the byakungan can see everywhere at the same time, I mean if all the rinnengan bodies turn in a certain direction or if they ar distracted with some jutsu they cant see, but the byakungan could
And I think that Pain have 6 bodies, I think that he consumed the J mans bodie, and that is what is going to make the fight between Naruto and Pain so intense in my prediction in the 404 thread. Because Naruto is going to struggle to fight against his previous Sensei. Makes for a great storyline wount you say?
hehe yes.. naruto vs. the pain version of jiraya.. but if the body will be able to use just one justsu (as the others) what could this jutsu be?Great analysis. But I have already talked about that scenario before you where here, where every body argued about what is stronger, the Byakugan, shringan, MS, EMS/PMS. And I basically said, that it doesnt matter what Eye technique the person have, it all comes down to how good you can use it, and how well it complements your fighting style as well as the elements that you use.
And I think that Pain have 6 bodies, I think that he consumed the J mans bodie, and that is what is going to make the fight between Naruto and Pain so intense in my prediction in the 404 thread. Because Naruto is going to struggle to fight against his previous Sensei. Makes for a great storyline wount you say?
as for the which doujutsu is stronger, i wasnt talkiong about that, I was talking about pain's rinnengan in particular, and comparing it with the other doujutsus
zumorikato
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I know you were talking about the renningan in particular
And that is why I agree with you, that the Baykugan is stronger in that particular sense.And I dont think that everybody can just use 1 jitsu due to the Renningan, I think that Pain specifically chose those bodies, because they excel and are masters in that specific area. I dont think that it is the Renningan that limits the bodies abilities?
(might be wrong, but that is what im thinking)