The true meaning of being a fan - defending Sasuke's actions.

[Punk Hazard]

Yet only Sasuke agrees with his plan....not even the few survivors of IT agree with it...

Pretty hard to agree to a plan that has yet to be explained to you. Unlike you guys, Naruto characters don't jump the gun and actually wait for details.

 

[V h o]

Pretty hard to agree to a plan that has yet to be explained to you. Unlike you guys, Naruto characters don't jump the gun and actually wait for details.

Umm so far his plan is to kill the kages, bijuu, and Naruto. That right there is enough for his plan to be wrong. lel I'm waiting for the rest of his plan to unravel just to see how it is supported still.

 

[frozen5]

all their ways are wrong and only temporary.. sasuke revolution wont solve shit and naruto is placing all his hopes on a dream.. wether sasuke kill or seal all the beasts someone is going to free them.. i thought orochimaru already proved anything done can be undone.. even death..

so you all can just stop tryna be theorists and enjoy the coming fight...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Umm so far his plan is to kill the kages, bijuu, and Naruto. That right there is enough for his plan to be wrong. lel I'm waiting for the rest of his plan to unravel just to see how it is supported still.

Nope.

Killing Naruto+sealing Bijuu= Never having IT happen again
Killing the Kage=More likely for what he sees as the wrong views to die out and for what he sees as the right views to set in

In the end, it'll come down to what his views are, and how he plans to get them to the people. Until then, we can't say shit about it one way or the other, and it's in the middle for now.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Riker you're wrong on the IT Scenario the only way to never have IT again is for Sasuke to kill himself. Rinnegan is the main factor in this its the only thing that can resummon the Gedo.

 

[V h o]

Nope.

Killing Naruto+sealing Bijuu= Never having IT happen again
Killing the Kage=More likely for what he sees as the wrong views to die out and for what he sees as the right views to set in

In the end, it'll come down to what his views are, and how he plans to get them to the people. Until then, we can't say shit about it one way or the other, and it's in the middle for now.

lol the fact you agree with naruto, kages, and bijuu dying for one sole guy's belief is already flawed in my eyes. Then again I can't understand why people support him.

 

[Tennis Robot]

But that isn't the larger picture. Without humans you don't even have emotion, let alone hatred.

Sasuke is ensuring the continuation of the human race with his current actions. That's the big picture. Once you accept that Naruto's method is going to result in another IT crisis, Sasuke's solution for human longevity doesn't sound so bad.

And if you say that Naruto's "solution" for peace wouldn't result in another IT crisis, then you're a lost cause, honestly. You'd simply be in denial. I'm not saying Sasuke's way is perfect, it's just better than Naruto's. And since no one else wants to step up to the plate and change the world other than these two, I'm choosing the better plan.

Sasuke is far more myopic than Naruto. Sasuke's peace is Sasuke's peace and no one else's: it exists only for his happiness. Even if he somehow managed to bring about world peace, it would vanish the moment he died. Naruto is a man of the people, someone who others look up to, a role model. Naruto's ideals will carry on long after he has died, because he has shown people that he will do anything for their happiness. By not catering to anyone other than himself, Sasuke has become a severely misunderstood figure to people who never knew him, and he has expressed no desire to make anyone else happy. No one wants to follow Sasuke, because no one feels connected to him. After he dies, he will be remembered as someone who did whatever it took to achieve his goals. That mindset will undoubtedly lead to widespread distrust between people, which would leave the “peace” in a precarious position.

 

[Frikid]

Good stuff Rikerslade!

#respect and reps for ya!

 

[Punk Hazard]

Riker you're wrong on the IT Scenario the only way to never have IT again is for Sasuke to kill himself. Rinnegan is the main factor in this its the only thing that can resummon the Gedo.

Obito, Nagato and Madara could summon the Gedo.
Obito, Nagato and Madara had Rinnegan.

Funny then how they didn't do IT until they had the Bijuu. Guess getting them was for shits and giggles, huh?

lol the fact you agree with naruto, kages, and bijuu dying for one sole guy's belief is already flawed in my eyes. Then again I can't understand why people support him.

I don't necessarily agree. I'm on the fence. The difference between you and me is I understand the scenario where it can work, as well as the scenario where it doesn't, while you believe the latter is the only one possible because you can't understand the first.

 

[bencoby]

lol the fact you agree with naruto, kages, and bijuu dying for one sole guy's belief is already flawed in my eyes. Then again I can't understand why people support him.

Sasukes action plan in this situation is just indefeasible. I don't know what is too hard for him to understand.

 

[Mad Daz]

I wonder about the mindset of people who believe what Naruto is doing will actually bring peace and stability for generations to come.

Naruto's plan will result in another IT crisis, and if no one can stop it, good-bye human race. But hey! At least the Biju's got to kick back and do what they want, right? I mean, it's all about the mass weapons of destruction that 99.9% of the shinobi world don't give two shits about! I mean, Biju!

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You know what narutos plan is? Please share it with us.

 

[V h o]

I don't necessarily agree. I'm on the fence. The difference between you and me is I understand the scenario where it can work, as well as the scenario where it doesn't, while you believe the latter is the only one possible because you can't understand the first.

lol you're on the fence because you know his guaranteed wrong will not bring guaranteed peace. His sacrifices don't make his theoretical goal worth it.

Lel don't presume to understand my thinking of why it won't work, because in theory it could, but by past events peace by might has never lasted or worked for that matter. Ideological change is the way to gain lasting peace, but even then ideologies can change, but suppressing ideologies with force will only start future rebellions.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sasukes action plan in this situation is just indefeasible. I don't know what is too hard for him to understand.

I don't know what's so hard about understanding that it's possible Sasuke will preach his ideals and people will adopt them, I don't know what's so hard to understand that killing 6 and sealing away 9 potential weapons to prevent the enslavement method of mankind currently in effect from EVER happening again is a necessary evil for a good result.

You're basically the same as a person saying "Nooo, I know that guy killed seven people with scissors, but scissors are a practical device, and he MIGHT change, so let's keep on letting him go about freely with scissors."

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

Sasukes action plan in this situation is just indefeasible. I don't know what is too hard for him to understand.

Sasuke's plan to completely eradicate the current and past system is Correct. Now by doing it in his ways? Incorrect. Destroying the bijuus can solve the IT methods but is it essential? Yes and No. The rinnegan he has and bijuus equate the process of this all over again. Killing the Kages necessary? No. Just impeach them. Sasuke still has a dark side of him. It is up to Naruto to solve that. I am just mad Sasuke can't do it himself. Why Naruto?

 

[Crossroads]

You know what narutos plan is? Please share it with us.

It's obvious, isn't it? Let the Biju roam free. And spend the rest of his life tending to matters that don't concern him, trying to erase the hatred in anyone and everyone's hearts that he possibly can. Like how he did with Nagato, and Obito. I understand his plan.

And it's going to get everyone killed.​

 

[Zee U]

Premise: i don't support either of their plans, at all. For now, atleast.

Naruto, even if viewed as Jesus our saviour, won't affect the world. What if a group of people got their family killed due to the bijuus or something similar disagreed with Naruto wanting to let them live? What would he do? Kill them all since they disagree with him? Exile them?

What will he do when he will die? Will people follow his view? Or will it be lost in time? Something happened before, and let's not forget about it. Hagoromo, along Hamura, were saviours of the world. They loved their people, and gave them chakra, to lead them to mutual understanding. Instead they engaged in further wars and forgot about them after years, leading their good ideals to the toilet. Heck, even the kages thought that Hagoromo wasn't real and a tale for kids, the leaders of the systems. Let's be sincere: Naruto's plan may be applicable, but not in a long run.

The true way which peace can be obtained is Ninshuu, created when two opposing forces cooperate. Not singing kumbaya (sorry, but that's too epic Crossroads) and engaging in revolutions. Maybe both of them will realize, and learn from Hagoromo's mistake. Did the dude even explain that the people should use his chakra to connect before giving it away? First, lead to peace. Second, lead to a long way peace with Ninshuu.

That's how i view it, honestly.

 

[Punk Hazard]

lol you're on the fence because you know his guaranteed wrong will not bring guaranteed peace. His sacrifices don't make his theoretical goal worth it.

Lel don't presume to understand my thinking of why it won't work, because in theory it could, but by past events peace by might has never lasted or worked for that matter. Ideological change is the way to gain lasting peace, but even then ideologies can change, but suppressing ideologies with force will only start future rebellions.

I'm on the fence because Sasuke's plan can either:

1. Be unreasonable, rejected and fail
2. Reasonable, accepted, and fail
3. Reasonable, accepted and succeed
4. Reasonable, rejected but forced upon, and succeed
5. Reasonable, rejected but forced upon, and fail

There is no guarantee for ANY of these. But you don't get that. You think it's guaranteed number 1 is gonna happen. If his goal succeeds, then it's worth it. You don't know they aren't worth it, you don't know they will fail, you don't know everyone will hate his ideals, you don't know they're unreasonable, and nothing you post will change that.

 

[GhostProject]

There are things that matter far more than the results for long term security and peace.

 

[V h o]

It appears Sasuke's idiocy is not only consuming himself but his fanbase as well.

Sasukism indoctrination sir derp.

Edit:

I'm on the fence because Sasuke's plan can either:

1. Be unreasonable, rejected and fail
2. Reasonable, accepted, and fail
3. Reasonable, accepted and succeed
4. Reasonable, rejected but forced upon, and succeed
5. Reasonable, rejected but forced upon, and fail

There is no guarantee for ANY of these. But you don't get that. You think it's guaranteed number 1 is gonna happen. If his goal succeeds, then it's worth it. You don't know they aren't worth it, you don't know they will fail, you don't know everyone will hate his ideals, you don't know they're unreasonable, and nothing you post will change that.

lel find me one incident where peace by might lead to everlasting peace without ideological change. I'm not going to attempt to reason with you when you condone the bloodshed of others for a theoretical peace.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It appears Sasuke's idiocy is not only consuming himself but his fanbase as well.

He says while lacking the capabilities of forming an argument or defending it. Shallow words from a shallow man.