The true meaning of being a fan - defending Sasuke's actions.

[Romy9]

Seriously, even if you don't like him, questioning his actions would be normal. Decent upbringing, knowledge of history and a built system of value cannot condone such action. I wonder about the mindset of people who honestly believe Sasuke is doing the right thing.

 

[lucario14]

Being a fan doesn't necessarily mean that one should think he's doing the right thing.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm a Sasuke fan. I believe there is such a thing as necessary evils, things that under normal circumstances would be looked down on and punishable, or horrid, but under certain circumstances need to be done. Prime example, murder. Normally an evil, but in cases like a thief holding someone hostage, killing that person is a necessary evil.

A grander scale, going to war with the Nazis. We were full-blown attempting to kill them, we did kill many, and we got Hitler killed. Plain and simple, it was murder. But it was needed.

For Sasuke's plan, the same logic applies. Killing Naruto, the Kages, the Bijuu, it's murder which is normally deplorable, but depending on the results it may bring, may not be a bad thing in this case. Sasuke's plan will possibly go in one of four ways if he succeeds in killing who he wants to kill:
1. He presents his ideals for revolution, and the people accept despite him killing them, based on Sasuke's reasoning, and his revolution succeeds in bring peace
2. He presents his ideals and people refuse, meaning his revolution never happens
3. Scenario 1, except his revolution fails at bringing peace
4. He attempts to force his ideals on them

I acknowledge that all four of these are possible. Plain and simple, we don't know what Sasuke's revolution entails. Diplomacy, democracy, dictatorship, we can't say, so we can't say yet whether or not his plan on the right or wrong path. Anyone who says his plan is right and will succeed is just as wrong as anyone who says his plan is wrong and will fail at this point.

Sasuke isn't an eloquent speaker, his cold and secluded style of living has led to him having poor communication skills. While a normal person may say "You're not strong enough to fight them, hang back or you'll be killed", Sasuke may say "You're far too weak for this. The only use you have in this situation is being killed, so don't bother coming with us." It's the same meaning, just badly worded on Sasuke's part, so we should take into account that when Sasuke explains his plan, the meaning may make sense and could be positive, but his abrasive wording may make it seem like just another evil plan.

 

[Crossroads]

I wonder about the mindset of people who believe what Naruto is doing will actually bring peace and stability for generations to come.

Naruto's plan will result in another IT crisis, and if no one can stop it, good-bye human race. But hey! At least the Biju's got to kick back and do what they want, right? I mean, it's all about the mass weapons of destruction that 99.9% of the shinobi world don't give two shits about! I mean, Biju!

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[spade3dg]

I'm a Sasuke fan. I believe there is such a thing as necessary evils, things that under normal circumstances would be looked down on and punishable, or horrid, but under certain circumstances need to be done. Prime example, murder. Normally an evil, but in cases like a thief holding someone hostage, killing that person is a necessary evil.

A grander scale, going to war with the Nazis. We were full-blown attempting to kill them, we did kill many, and we got Hitler killed. Plain and simple, it was murder. But it was needed.

For Sasuke's plan, the same logic applies. Killing Naruto, the Kages, the Bijuu, it's murder which is normally deplorable, but depending on the results it may bring, may not be a bad thing in this case. Sasuke's plan will possibly go in one of four ways if he succeeds in killing who he wants to kill:
1. He presents his ideals for revolution, and the people accept despite him killing them, based on Sasuke's reasoning, and his revolution succeeds in bring peace
2. He presents his ideals and people refuse, meaning his revolution never happens
3. Scenario 1, except his revolution fails at bringing peace
4. He attempts to force his ideals on them

I acknowledge that all four of these are possible. Plain and simple, we don't know what Sasuke's revolution entails. Diplomacy, democracy, dictatorship, we can't say, so we can't say yet whether or not his plan on the right or wrong path. Anyone who says his plan is right and will succeed is just as wrong as anyone who says his plan is wrong and will fail at this point.

Sasuke isn't an eloquent speaker, his cold and secluded style of living has led to him having poor communication skills. While a normal person may say "You're not strong enough to fight them, hang back or you'll be killed", Sasuke may say "You're far too weak for this. The only use you have in this situation is being killed, so don't bother coming with us." It's the same meaning, just badly worded on Sasuke's part, so we should take into account that when Sasuke explains his plan, the meaning may make sense and could be positive, but his abrasive wording may make it seem like just another evil plan.

I wonder about the mindset of people who believe what Naruto is doing will actually bring peace and stability for generations to come.

Naruto's plan will result in another IT crisis, and if no one can stop it, good-bye human race. But hey! At least the Biju got to kick back and do what they want, right? I mean, it's all about the mass weapons of destruction that 99.9% of the shinobi world don't give two shits about! I mean, Biju!

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Rikers there is another possibility besides the 4 you named. 5. He might lose the fight and not have a chance to perform a necessary evil. Always a possibility.

Crossroads. What Naruto is trying to do is end the cycle of hatred. Hes made that clear plenty of times.

Killing will only birth new hatred. He wants to try to end that.

No other leader before him has tried that approach. While Sasuke's has been done and failed every time. Leading to more revolutions and hatred

 

[Punk Hazard]

Rikers there is another possibility besides the 4 you named. 5. He might lose the fight and not have a chance to perform a necessary evil. Always a possibility.

Crossroads. What Naruto is trying to do is end the cycle of hatred. Hes made that clear plenty of times.

Killing will only birth new hatred. He wants to try to end that.

No other leader before him has tried that approach. While Sasuke's has been done and failed every time. Leading to more revolutions and hatred

Okay, there's five, changes nothing about my post.

And Hashirama also did diplomatic negotiations and did his best to avoid fighting and war and murder. Madara came closer to true peace in the Shinobi World than he ever did.

 

[spade3dg]

Okay, there's five, changes nothing about my post.

And Hashirama also did diplomatic negotiations and did his best to avoid fighting and war and murder. Madara came closer to true peace in the Shinobi World than he ever did.

The thing is Hashi never stopped the cycle of hatred. "Killing" Madara only made the Uchiha wary of the senju and furthered the hate some already had for them. Yes Madara was the closest BUT that way wouldve led to the deaths of everyone caught in the genjutsu. They all wouldve turned into zetsu

 

[bencoby]

I'm a Sasuke fan. I believe there is such a thing as necessary evils, things that under normal circumstances would be looked down on and punishable, or horrid, but under certain circumstances need to be done. Prime example, murder. Normally an evil, but in cases like a thief holding someone hostage, killing that person is a necessary evil.

A grander scale, going to war with the Nazis. We were full-blown attempting to kill them, we did kill many, and we got Hitler killed. Plain and simple, it was murder. But it was needed.

For Sasuke's plan, the same logic applies. Killing Naruto, the Kages, the Bijuu, it's murder which is normally deplorable, but depending on the results it may bring, may not be a bad thing in this case. Sasuke's plan will possibly go in one of four ways if he succeeds in killing who he wants to kill:
1. He presents his ideals for revolution, and the people accept despite him killing them, based on Sasuke's reasoning, and his revolution succeeds in bring peace
2. He presents his ideals and people refuse, meaning his revolution never happens
3. Scenario 1, except his revolution fails at bringing peace
4. He attempts to force his ideals on them

I acknowledge that all four of these are possible. Plain and simple, we don't know what Sasuke's revolution entails. Diplomacy, democracy, dictatorship, we can't say, so we can't say yet whether or not his plan on the right or wrong path. Anyone who says his plan is right and will succeed is just as wrong as anyone who says his plan is wrong and will fail at this point.

Sasuke isn't an eloquent speaker, his cold and secluded style of living has led to him having poor communication skills. While a normal person may say "You're not strong enough to fight them, hang back or you'll be killed", Sasuke may say "You're far too weak for this. The only use you have in this situation is being killed, so don't bother coming with us." It's the same meaning, just badly worded on Sasuke's part, so we should take into account that when Sasuke explains his plan, the meaning may make sense and could be positive, but his abrasive wording may make it seem like just another evil plan.

And how exactly would killing people's loved ones bring peace?, it would just add fuel to fire. Please there is no defending such barbaric actions by Sasuke.

 

[Zee U]

We do not even know in detail about Sasuke's revolution yet, how can you judge it basing on... two chapters? Just wait and see what he intends to do. It's too soon to judge his goal, we don't even know what he means by Hokage -_-

 

[Punk Hazard]

The thing is Hashi never stopped the cycle of hatred. "Killing" Madara only made the Uchiha wary of the senju and furthered the hate some already had for them. Yes Madara was the closest BUT that way wouldve led to the deaths of everyone caught in the genjutsu. They all wouldve turned into zetsu

@Bold: Exactly.

And that was because of Kaguya's influence. If it wasn't for her, everyone would have just spent eternity in their happy place.

And how exactly would killing people's loved ones bring peace?, it would just add fuel to fire. Please there is no defending such barbaric actions by Sasuke.

Well, let's say Sasuke's revolution, the ideals behind it, will bring peace if implemented. Well, first off, the Bijuu are weapons. Mankind has had centuries to prove that they can live with the Bijuus in a peaceful, responsible way, and have failed. The only person to befriend all the Bijuus truly is Naruto, that doesn't guarantee everyone else will as well. The Bijuus have killed many, there will still be those who resent them. There will still be those who may try to control them and use them as a weapon, some may succeed. Rather than run the risk of someone using a weapon of mass destruction, Sasuke will just get rid of the weapon altogether. This will eliminate that risk completely. If 9 lives must end for the sake of millions, then that's a necessary evil. Killing the Bijuu is to eliminating the weapons as killing Naruto is to destroying the blueprints of the weapons.

As for the Kage, the first step in revolution is always to get rid of the leader. The Five Kages have ideals that plunged the world into this situation, and they're not gonna change overnight. This means that many of those ideals that created the darkness trapping the world will persist. By eliminating the Kage, you remove the authority that implements the ideas, allowing for different ideals to be implemented, a different authority that will put the world on a new path. Is it likely? Not, it's not, but it's not impossible, and certainly not unjustifiable.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Only idiots would condone his actions.

I could just as easily say only idiots will completely dismiss it without even knowing the results it will bring or the full details of the plan.

It'd basically be like hearing someone killed someone else and saying "Wow he's terrible, everyone who supports him is terrible", without knowing the full story is they killed that person because they caught them trying to rape his daughter.

 

[Crossroads]

The thing is Hashi never stopped the cycle of hatred. "Killing" Madara only made the Uchiha wary of the senju and furthered the hate some already had for them. Yes Madara was the closest BUT that way wouldve led to the deaths of everyone caught in the genjutsu. They all wouldve turned into zetsu

Hashirama is the spitting image of Naruto. The only difference is, Naruto won't kill Sasuke (if he even can..), and Naruto won't hand out tailed beasts like they're hotcakes. And when Hashirama "killed" Madara, everyone already turned their back on him. So everything you're saying is moot.

Naruto's plan will result in another Infinite Tsukuyomi crisis, because Naruto can't end the cycle of hatred for all of eternity. After many generations, Naruto's tale will be equal to the Sage's story. And no one believed he was real until Tobi explained it to the Kages. Y'know, the "all-knowing" Kages that supposedly have all the dirt. They didn't even believe it. So what do you think will happen to Naruto's legacy after, say, a thousand years? People will forget. Humans forget. The cycle of hatred cannot be broken, and Sasuke knows this.

What Sasuke is doing, is assuring the continuation of shinobi and the human race, while minimizing(key word) as much hatred as possible by trying to eliminate the possibility of another IT crisis. How does one do that? Get rid of the threat. What's the threat? The Biju. Can Sasuke do it? Yes. Is the survival of the human race worth it? Yes, and it is in Sasuke's eyes.

You people think Sasuke is so damn crazy without looking at the entire situation. He's actually one of the more sane people in the story. Naruto's method of holding hands and singing kumbaya will not work in any real circumstance regarding humans.​

Only idiots would condone his actions.

Hey look, the person with Naruto's cock so far up his ass that he can't even look straight.​

 

[Punk Hazard]

Hashirama is the spitting image of Naruto. The only difference is, Naruto won't kill Sasuke (if he even can..), and Naruto won't hand out tailed beasts like they're hotcakes. And when Hashirama "killed" Madara, everyone already turned their back on him. So everything you're saying is moot.

Naruto's plan will result in another Infinite Tsukuyomi crisis, because Naruto can't end the cycle of hatred for all of eternity. After many generations, Naruto's tale will be equal to the Sage's story. And no one believed he was real until Tobi explained it to the Kages. Y'know, the "all-knowing" Kages that supposedly have all the dirt. They didn't even believe it. So what do you think will happen to Naruto's legacy after, say, a thousand years? People will forget. Humans forget. The cycle of hatred cannot be broken, and Sasuke knows this.

What Sasuke is doing, is assuring the continuation of shinobi and the human race, while minimizing(key word) as much hatred as possible by trying to eliminate the possibility of another IT crisis. How does one do that? Get rid of the threat. What's the threat? The Biju. Can Sasuke do it? Yes. Is the survival of the human race worth it? Yes, and it is in Sasuke's eyes.

You people think Sasuke is so damn crazy without looking at the entire situation. He's actually one of the more sane people in the story. Naruto's method of holding hands and singing kumbaya will not work in any real circumstance regarding humans.​

Hey look, the person with Naruto's cock so far up his ass that he can't even look straight.​

Exactly. People think Naruto will say "Hey everyone let's be friends!" and EVERYONE will just agree right then and there.

The current situation, Infinite Tsukiyomi, was caused by the Kages' method of running the world and the Bijuu. Sasuke aims to get rid of both so it doesn't happen again.

 

[Crossroads]

Exactly. People think Naruto will say "Hey everyone let's be friends!" and EVERYONE will just agree right then and there.

The current situation, Infinite Tsukiyomi, was caused by the Kages' method of running the world and the Bijuu. Sasuke aims to get rid of both so it doesn't happen again.

Thank you. Sasuke has the general people and human life as his top priority. And he's risking his entire life fighting Naruto to ensure that his goal happens. He's actually being pretty selfless here and blind hate for Sasuke is getting ridiculous.

I'm beginning to think that people don't like him because Sasuke has a damn near autistic fanbase for the most part. But honestly, that shouldn't affect how people view his beautiful character. Sasuke has made a lot of part 2 very interesting, and without him and the memorable part of Akatsuki, the series would be pretty boring in my opinion.​

 

[Tennis Robot]

Sasuke is still a child. It's pretty simple. He is in a phase that most (if not all) people go through at some point on the back end of their adolescence. Maybe the people who think that he is more mature than Naruto just haven't reached that stage of their lives yet (or are currently in it).

 

[Crossroads]

Sasuke is still a child. It's pretty simple. He is in a phase that most (if not all) people go through at some point on the back end of their adolescence. Maybe the people who think that he is more mature than Naruto just haven't reached that stage of their lives yet (or are currently in it).

Hey look, another person who clearly can't comprehend Sasuke's ideals and his character. He's clearly more mature than Naruto. Naruto's ideals are congruent to that of a child's. I mean, he's had the same ideals since he was a child. It's one thing to clearly state that you don't like Sasuke's character, but saying he's less mature than Naruto and then saying people who don't think so are going through some "stage" is an insult and you honestly sound moronic to put it lightly.

The ignorance is so strong.​

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

What are you talking about? Not all fans agree to their favorite's actions. It is people like you who loathes the Sasuke fanbase even if not all of them are conceited.
Compose yourself foolish one...

 

[Tennis Robot]

Hey look, another person who clearly can't comprehend Sasuke's ideals and his character. He's clearly more mature than Naruto. Naruto's ideals are congruent to that of a child's. I mean, he's had the same ideals since he was a child.

The ignorance is so strong.

It's only because I understand exactly how Sasuke is thinking that I can say with such certainty that he is still a child at heart. And Naruto has not had the same ideals since he was a child. There was a very clear change in his attitude during Part 2.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Thank you. Sasuke has the general people and human life as his top priority. And he's risking his entire life fighting Naruto to ensure that his goal happens. He's actually being pretty selfless here and blind hate for Sasuke is getting ridiculous.

I'm beginning to think that people don't like him because Sasuke has a damn near autistic fanbase for the most part. But honestly, that shouldn't affect how people view his beautiful character. Sasuke has made a lot of part 2 very interesting, and without him and the memorable part of Akatsuki, the series would be pretty boring in my opinion.​

A lot of the things Sasuke has done has propelled the plot. Lots of the times, when the chapter focuses on him, there is a ton of plot development.

Ironically, most of Sasuke's goals were kind of selfless. He did some horrible things towards fulfilling them that could be seen as selfish, but the goals themselves have rarely benefited Sasuke.

Like with killing Itachi, he didn't do that to make himself feel better, he didn't do it solely because of his own hatred, he risked his life to kill Itachi because it'd rectify what he thought was a wrongdoing towards his family, and would make things right for them. It probably has to do with the Asian tradition of the ghosts of your family being able to feel dishonor.

He wanted to destroy Konoha because of what it put Itachi through and how it basically spit on him, he was trying to rectify what he saw as a wrongdoing to Itachi.

Now, he wants to protect Konoha because he doesn't want Itachi's sacrifice to go to waste. Sasuke is far from selfless, but I find it interesting how none of his goals really seem to reflect a need or want directly for him.

Sasuke is still a child. It's pretty simple. He is in a phase that most (if not all) people go through at some point on the back end of their adolescence. Maybe the people who think that he is more mature than Naruto just haven't reached that stage of their lives yet (or are currently in it).

Sasuke is far more mature than Naruto. Sasuke acknowledges that as long as certain things exist in the world, they will continue to have the same effects. If the Bijuu existing has led to centuries of conflict and weaponization, then it makes a lot more sense to get rid of them than to say "You know, humanity failed for hundreds of years, but and I've said this hundreds of times before, but THIS time will be the time they get it right."

 

[Crossroads]

It's only because I understand exactly how Sasuke is thinking that I can say with such certainty that he is still a child at heart. And Naruto has not had the same ideals since he was a child. There was a very clear change in his attitude during Part 2.

You clearly don't. Do yourself a favor and don't pat yourself on the back to make up for your lack of reading comprehension.

And oh, you're right. Naruto went from.. "I'll be hokage and I'll make an empty promise every time someone is going through something!"

To..

"I'll be hokage and I'll make an empty promise every time someone is going through something! And on top of that! I'll end the cycle of hatred! How will I do that? Who the heck knows! But I'm gonna die tryin'! Dattebayo!"

Give me a break.​