The true meaning of being a fan - defending Sasuke's actions.

[KisuneUchiha]

The bijuu arent a threat. Only when threatned. Used as weapons by people. You've seen it yourself by reading the manga that they arent all bad.

What Sasuke is doing is alienating his self from the people. Hes trying to rewrite the whole ninja system by killing the kages and bijuu.

Thing is, say if he does do that. The kages have families that would hate Sasuke. If they cant beat him. Whats the next best thing. Targeting people that Sasuke cares about. The cycle will continue like that until broken.

Hes not wring for wanting to rewrite the world, but hes going about it the wrong way.

Naruto stated that he knows the Biju have done evil before, now he says they will not do evil anymore, but what of humans?

Keeping the Biju alive is keeping the risk of someone else creating another IT crisis.
The biju may not be doing evil, but what is stopping a human from hunting then down against their will, forcibly merging their chakra together, then bringing Kaguya back or casting IT again

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

Well, instead of going defensive, you could, like many other Sasuke fans, give your reasoning.

Defensive?? Hahaha. I am just pointing out your flaws in perspective on Sasuke fans.

 

[Romy9]

Defensive?? Hahaha. I am just pointing out your flaws in perspective on Sasuke fans.

It's not a flaw. Until I made this topic, not one of you exhibited your reasoning in fapSasuke topics. Which is why I made it in the first place.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

It's not a flaw. Until I made this topic, not one of you exhibited your reasoning in fapSasuke topics. Which is why I made it in the first place.

Did I make a faptopic of Sasuke?? By creating this topic you are only making the Sasuke fappers stronger. As the ones who are in between(me) we oppose your perspectives on the Uchiha fanbase as a "Whole..."

 

[legarcon]

@Bold: Exactly.

And that was because of Kaguya's influence. If it wasn't for her, everyone would have just spent eternity in their happy place.


Well, let's say Sasuke's revolution, the ideals behind it, will bring peace if implemented. Well, first off, the Bijuu are weapons. Mankind has had centuries to prove that they can live with the Bijuus in a peaceful, responsible way, and have failed. The only person to befriend all the Bijuus truly is Naruto, that doesn't guarantee everyone else will as well. The Bijuus have killed many, there will still be those who resent them. There will still be those who may try to control them and use them as a weapon, some may succeed. Rather than run the risk of someone using a weapon of mass destruction, Sasuke will just get rid of the weapon altogether. This will eliminate that risk completely. If 9 lives must end for the sake of millions, then that's a necessary evil. Killing the Bijuu is to eliminating the weapons as killing Naruto is to destroying the blueprints of the weapons.

As for the Kage, the first step in revolution is always to get rid of the leader. The Five Kages have ideals that plunged the world into this situation, and they're not gonna change overnight. This means that many of those ideals that created the darkness trapping the world will persist. By eliminating the Kage, you remove the authority that implements the ideas, allowing for different ideals to be implemented, a different authority that will put the world on a new path. Is it likely? Not, it's not, but it's not impossible, and certainly not unjustifiable.

First off madara almost made the biggest white zetsu army by accident.

Second if you say sasuke killing the bijuus is a nessesary evil, what about the uchiha massacre? was it a nessesary evil? becuase sasuke is trying to avoid that same kind of situation that happened to the uchiha by doing the same danzo did with his clan and i gotta say that didnt turned out well, sasuke became a criminal after that, also danzo using those same methods created kabuto who happens to be one of the two masterminds behind the war. I dont see sasuke revolution working, besides sasuke is disrespecful with everybody, i dont see people respecting and following sasuke because to be followed you have to make people trust you and so far nobody trustes him.

And if sasuke wants to get rid of the treads that cause IT once more he should kill himself, because as of now there´s no one except sasuke who can summon the gedo statue, by getting rid of tail beast and naruto who he considers to be treats but not getting rid of himself whose eyes are the biggest treat of all as i explained he´s just a hypocrite.

 

[Jericho Senju]

Ive read through most of the post and 70% of the post that support Killing the Bijuus state to prevent another IT. In that case why not just seal Sasuke the last Uchiha and burn all the remains of the dead uchiha clan? Since he is the ONLY person left that can gain the ability start IT again. This would support Sasuke's ideas completely. One person suffers for peace.

 

[Retsu]

Ive read through most of the post and 70% of the post that support Killing the Bijuus state to prevent another IT. In that case why not just seal Sasuke the last Uchiha and burn all the remains of the dead uchiha clan? Since he is the ONLY person left that can gain the ability start IT again. This would support Sasuke's ideas completely. One person suffers for peace.

That's what I'm saying, the only reason the current situation exist is because of zetsu and the uchiha's curse of butt hurt. ppl act like since Bijuu are out that ANYONE can turn them back into the juubi. What's funny is the last time I checked BZ took credit for manipulating the butt hurt indra clan and even put the information of what to do and how to do it on the stone. since BZ is gone all one has to do is destroy the stone and time will eventually forget about the juubi since until recently the sage was a fairytale. anyone who claims the current kages created this system and deserve to die are honestly retarded in my opinion and need to hop off sasukes wang. Nothing good will come of them dying and honestly sasuke should try and let ppl know of what it is he is actually trying to do instead of acting like he is the sole person who can bring peace. I can't wait for him to get his ass kicked..

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Ive read through most of the post and 70% of the post that support Killing the Bijuus state to prevent another IT. In that case why not just seal Sasuke the last Uchiha and burn all the remains of the dead uchiha clan? Since he is the ONLY person left that can gain the ability start IT again. This would support Sasuke's ideas completely. One person suffers for peace.

Exactly, people are always like "Oh, it's the Bijuu's fault" except, every known occurrence of a human related bijuu incident was caused by Uchiha Obito was behind Nine-Tails rampage in Konoha, Madara instigated the plot that made Rin a jinchuriki, Obito and Madara began IT, and Madara using Kurama as a weapon is what started the practice of using them as, well, weapons. If you really want to protect the world, why not kill the last remaining Uchiha, they seem to have been the most dangerous of all.

 

[lucario14]

I don't want sasuke to kill the kages or even naruto but at the same time I don't want naruto to win either. Why should naruto's way be the best way just because he believes that love and cooperation aee the key to peace. If this is the case why couldn't the sage have just one son and why do indra and ashura keep reincarnating into their descendants.

Naruto's way is exactly the same as hashirama's and we all know how that turned out Lol. Sasuke's way is more extreme but he has the right idea. The villages can't function the way that they have because their system is a corrupt one. Sasuke probably believes that the kages don't deserve a second chance because they will just continue what they have been doing and he doesn't trust them.

 

[legarcon]

I don't want sasuke to kill the kages or even naruto but at the same time I don't want naruto to win either. Why should naruto's way be the best way just because he believes that love and cooperation aee the key to peace. If this is the case why couldn't the sage have just one son and why do indra and ashura keep reincarnating into their descendants.

Naruto's way is exactly the same as hashirama's and we all know how that turned out Lol. Sasuke's way is more extreme but he has the right idea. The villages can't function the way that they have because their system is a corrupt one. Sasuke probably believes that the kages don't deserve a second chance because they will just continue what they have been doing and he doesn't trust them.

Except sasuke´s plans so far hadnt shown to be any different than those of danzo, danzo used to sacrifice a few for the greater good as clear examples we have the uchihas, kabuto and mother of kabuto, but danzos accions turned out to backlash, sasuke would still be a criminal had he not encountered itachi, and we also have kabuto who along with obito were the masterminds behind the war, who is responsible for those 2? danzo of course.

Sasuke´s plan is to get rid a of few whom he considers to be a treat(e.g. bijuus, kages and naruto), just like danzo used to and it never worked for danzo, sasuke says he´s starting a revolution but actually is making the same mistakes that ruined his happy life but this time he´s danzo and the bijuus,kages and naruto are the uchiha, see the analogy here, also if he wants to get rid of all possibilities of a new IT, he should kill himself or at least destroy his own rinnegan because as of now sasuke is the only one who can summon the gedo statue, the fact he wants to get rid of all people who may pose a treat being a treat himself is just hypocritical.

Besides sasuke doesnt have either the charisma or trust of the people to become the new ruler of the world unless is by forced methods.

 

[lucario14]

Except sasuke´s plans so far hadnt shown to be any different than those of danzo, danzo used to sacrifice a few for the greater good as clear examples we have the uchihas, kabuto and mother of kabuto, but danzos accions turned out to backlash, sasuke would still be a criminal had he not encountered itachi, and we also have kabuto who along with obito were the masterminds behind the war, who is responsible for those 2? danzo of course.

Sasuke´s plan is to get rid a of few whom he considers to be a treat(e.g. bijuus, kages and naruto), just like danzo used to and it never worked for danzo, sasuke says he´s starting a revolution but actually is making the same mistakes that ruined his happy life but this time he´s danzo and the bijuus,kages and naruto are the uchiha,

Which is why I said I don't want sasuke to kill the kages. There must be other ways to go about his revolution. IF he does kill them THEN he will be like danzo. Right now he's not.

see the analogy here, also if he wants to get rid of all possibilities of a new IT, he should kill himself or at least destroy his own rinnegan because as of now sasuke is the only one who can summon the gedo statue, the fact he wants to get rid of all people who may pose a treat being a treat himself is just hypocritical.

I'm sorry but this is silly. Why would he kill himself or crush his eye Lol. He wants to start a revolution and he wants to carry it out so he sees himself as the answer to this corrupt shinobi world. He thinks he's the only one who understands what needs to be done so if he kills himself, he would be entrusting the rest to naruto and the SA. He doesn't trust them so he'll do it his way only.

Besides sasuke doesnt have either the charisma or trust of the people to become the new ruler of the world unless is by forced methods.

I agree. But he is not wrong because you need force to rule as well as love and cooperation. How do you think the police force handled criminals? By love? NO.

 

[RedT]

Sasuke is still a child. It's pretty simple. He is in a phase that most (if not all) people go through at some point on the back end of their adolescence. Maybe the people who think that he is more mature than Naruto just haven't reached that stage of their lives yet (or are currently in it).

Talking about maturity with Mari as your sig and profile pic? Absolutely shameful display.
Sasuke's favorite character would probably someone refined like Fuyutsuki.
Also OT reply: I think that adolescence phase won't be ending for Sasuke. It didn't end for Madara or Indra.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Talking about maturity with Mari as your sig and profile pic? Absolutely shameful display.
Sasuke's favorite character would probably someone refined like Fuyutsuki.
Also OT reply: I think that adolescence phase won't be ending for Sasuke. It didn't end for Madara or Indra.

Wait what? Mari is probably more mature than any of her peers (other than I guess Kaworu). And where did I say that she's my favorite character?

 

[RedT]

Wait what? Mari is probably more mature than any of her peers

Did you actually watch any of 3.33? She's a borderline clown

And where did I say that she's my favorite character?

Sorry for assuming.

 

[chaos control]

I'm a Sasuke fan. I believe there is such a thing as necessary evils, things that under normal circumstances would be looked down on and punishable, or horrid, but under certain circumstances need to be done. Prime example, murder. Normally an evil, but in cases like a thief holding someone hostage, killing that person is a necessary evil.

A grander scale, going to war with the Nazis. We were full-blown attempting to kill them, we did kill many, and we got Hitler killed. Plain and simple, it was murder. But it was needed.

For Sasuke's plan, the same logic applies. Killing Naruto, the Kages, the Bijuu, it's murder which is normally deplorable, but depending on the results it may bring, may not be a bad thing in this case. Sasuke's plan will possibly go in one of four ways if he succeeds in killing who he wants to kill:
1. He presents his ideals for revolution, and the people accept despite him killing them, based on Sasuke's reasoning, and his revolution succeeds in bring peace
2. He presents his ideals and people refuse, meaning his revolution never happens
3. Scenario 1, except his revolution fails at bringing peace
4. He attempts to force his ideals on them

I acknowledge that all four of these are possible. Plain and simple, we don't know what Sasuke's revolution entails. Diplomacy, democracy, dictatorship, we can't say, so we can't say yet whether or not his plan on the right or wrong path. Anyone who says his plan is right and will succeed is just as wrong as anyone who says his plan is wrong and will fail at this point.

Sasuke isn't an eloquent speaker, his cold and secluded style of living has led to him having poor communication skills. While a normal person may say "You're not strong enough to fight them, hang back or you'll be killed", Sasuke may say "You're far too weak for this. The only use you have in this situation is being killed, so don't bother coming with us." It's the same meaning, just badly worded on Sasuke's part, so we should take into account that when Sasuke explains his plan, the meaning may make sense and could be positive, but his abrasive wording may make it seem like just another evil plan.

You made very good points with this post. I just want to talk about one thing with this post. That part about communication. The example you gave about what Sasuke might say is not a simple lack of communication skills. It is just heinous even if it is true. "Why do I say this?", you may ask.

Well 9 times out of 10 it is actually easier and takes less words to respond to someone in a dignified and respectable manner while still getting the same point across than it is to trash talk someone. Take that "You're useless speech" that Sasuke gave to Sakura and Kakashi for example. Sasuke must have spent at least a good 10 sentences or so bashing Kakashi and Sakura just to end up answering Sakura's question about what happened anyway! Now here is how it could have went:


Sakura: What is going on Sasuke-kun?
Sasuke: The infinite tsukuyomi got casted.

End of script.

Now do you see that? That was short, diginified and got the point across in much less time than Sasuke took to explain things. You can not honestly deny that these 5 little words are much quicker and easier to say than all the bash that Sasuke gave out.

That is how you know that the bash was intentional and heinous. Sasuke actually made the extra effort to trash talk them when only one small sentence would suffice in explaining the situation.

Poor communication skills would be something like Hinata's shy stuttering or a person who fears public speaking. That is bad communication. Sasuke is just heinous.

Do you see the difference?

 

[Tennis Robot]

Did you actually watch any of 3.33? She's a borderline clown

Sorry for assuming.

Just because she isn't serious all the time doesn't mean she's immature. Pay more attention to the way she behaves under duress compared to Asuka and Shinji. And she might be my favorite character actually lol. I feel like she shouldn't be though. I'm definitely more attached to pretty much every other character. I just like the way Mari is

 

[RedT]

Just because she isn't serious all the time doesn't mean she's immature. Pay more attention to the way she behaves under duress compared to Asuka and Shinji. And she might be my favorite character actually lol. I feel like she shouldn't be though. I'm definitely more attached to pretty much every other character. I just like the way Mari is

Man, she has broken EVERY Eva she's been in (05, Asuka's, the one she was piloting in 3.0), and she is beast-mode reliant.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Ultimately Sasuke's plans cannot be justified simply because the end does not justify the means, to say otherwise is to support tyranny, moral decadence and the curtailment of liberty. - The End

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ultimately Sasuke's plans cannot be justified simply because the end does not justify the means, to say otherwise is to support tyranny, moral decadence and the curtailment of liberty. - The End

The end justifies the means if the end is acceptable.

Tyranny, moral decadence, and the curtailment of liberty have no acceptable ends, and therefore, do not apply to this scenario as an acceptable end is still possible in this scenario.

 

[lucario14]

Ultimately Sasuke's plans cannot be justified simply because the end does not justify the means, to say otherwise is to support tyranny, moral decadence and the curtailment of liberty. - The End

So you agree that the uchiha massacre was not justified?