The Shin SuuSenjuu/Thousand arms wooden statue is overrated [Please read first.]

[Tobi123]

Seems legit i guess.Nice thread

 

[End of Days]

Shinsuusenju has multiple hands for a reason, do humans catch balls with just one hand? No, so the same applies for the Buddha.

-Buddha catches it with multiple hands.
-Tosses it back at Kurama.

It can stop it by grabbing it from different sides, the tossing back part is the one which is iffy

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[HNIC]

Good post for the most part. The fanboy crew will be mad

 

[KidGamer65]

It can stop it by grabbing it from different sides, the tossing back part is the one which is iffy

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That was Mokujin, not Shinsuusenju. It was strong enough to lift Kurama up with one hand, it can definitely toss Bijuu Dama back without fail. Or it can just do what Mokujin did and slam it into the target.

 

[End of Days]

That was Mokujin, not Shinsuusenju. It was strong enough to lift Kurama up with one hand, it can definitely toss Bijuu Dama back without fail. Or it can just do what Mokujin did and slam it into the target.

the bijuu dama was quite small compared to the whole mokujin considering it fit in the palm of his hand
but hashirama was forced to sacrifice mokujin by holding onto the bijuu dama instead of tossing it like you claim

honestly it like how naruto cant throw a rasengan it seems

this is not vs thread but the kyuubi can simply dodge since the bijuus are agile themselves but the shinsuusenju would be in trouble having a mega bijuu dama in his hands

 

[KidGamer65]

the bijuu dama was quite small compared to the whole mokujin considering it fit in the palm of his hand
but hashirama was forced to sacrifice mokujin by holding onto the bijuu dama instead of tossing it like you claim

If he had tossed it the result would be the same as the target would be Madara, who was right in front of him. Bold really doesn't matter, as long as Shinsuusenju can grip it, which it can since its arms overall dwarf any Bijuu Dama ever made in this manga by the Kyuubi, it'll be able to grasp it and push it back into the Kyuubi.

honestly it like how naruto cant throw a rasengan it seems

That is completely different.

this is not vs thread but the kyuubi can simply dodge since the bijuus are agile themselves but the shinsuusenju would be in trouble having a mega bijuu dama in his hands

Bijuu's limb movements are agile, their overall movement on foot is not, so no, they aren't dodging a Bijuu Dama being tossed or slammed back into them.

 

[Klaves]

Hello guys, I would like to talk about Shin Susenjuu and how much some readers are overrating this summon...

I will debunk some hype around Shin Susenjuu so please read correctly

The Shin Suusenjuu/Thousand arms wooden statue:

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1. The first reason why Shin Suusenjuu is overrated is :​

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^^ Huge size of wooden statue in compare to even full Kurama...

It's size (the way it dwarfs them) and the size of the strides (close to if not the size of PS Kurama per step) suggest it would be more difficult for Kurama & Madara to put distance between them as many have suggested Madara should have done. It would at least prevent the distance to be maintained for very long. And let's be honest; with what we see later from the reach of the arms, they could be prevented from doing so at that distance.

2. Debunking false claim: Shin SuuSenjuu beat down both Kurama and Madara's perfect Sussano at the same time : ​

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^^ Just stop being blind fanboy for moment and take just one unbiased look at this page of manga above. It is true that Shin SuuSenjuu was capable of removing Perfect Sussano wrapped around full Kurama, but Kurama isn't shown wounded or even fazed a bit. NOTHING affected Kurama at all. Also Both Madara and Hashirama were tired at this point and I will use this fact in another panel so keep it in mind.

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^^ Here Shin Suu senjuu is shown caught and grabbed Full Kurama... looks like it was easy, yes ?

But people forgot that Kurama couldn't react attack Shin Suusenjuu on it's own becaues KURAMA WAS UNDER MADARA'S CONTROL AT THAT TIME. basing on what the scan shows I believe Madara WAS STILL CAPABLE OF KEEPING KURAMA's UNDER HIS CONTROL but has NOT ENOUGH POWER to FORCE KURAMA TO DO MADARA's orders and bindings. SO KURAMA WAS HELPLESS AGAINST SHIN SUUSENJUU DUE TO MADARA'S IGNORANCE AND PRIDE.

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^^ It is reason why Kurama in top panel is shown with exclamation mark like "!". The reason is simple, Kurama was just freed from Madara's control..., However before Kurama would awake completly and react properly.
Hashirama put Kurama to sleep in advance to not let Kurama go at rampage.

The first page shows Kurama with half-PS, so it didn't strip it completely (either because Madara was maintaining part of it, or the TBBs+Swords took out too many arms to completely remove the PS). I'd say it's more logical to think Madara was trying to maintain it, which seems congruent with what we see at the bottom of the page with them both panting (though Madara may have been tired without trying to maintain it).

Regardless, it's wrong to say that Kurama wasn't affected by this. He looks shook up a bit and pissed off. This makes more sense when you realize that the first page is actually the only one of the three in the above quotation where Kurama is still under Madara's control (It's even debatable whether or not Kurama was completely under Madara's control at this point). In fact, I tried to zoom to see Kurama's eyes in that panel, but I'm too lazy to examine it further because it doesn't really effect my argument.

Moving on to page two, you can see that the PS has dissipated WHILE Madara is still standing on Kurama's head. In the bottom middle panel on this page which is the panel in which Madara has the "!!" you can clearly see a normal Kurama eye. At this point Kurama is indisputably free from control. Saying Kurama didn't "awake completely" yet is completely baseless and makes no sense when we have seen others control Kurama with the Sharingan. Ex: Minato separating Kurama from Obito's control; the eyes of Kurama immediately reverted to normal which demonstrates the manga fact that if a Sharingan user is in control of Kurama, Kurama will display Sharingan.

Look at Kurama's eyes back at the start of this fight: Bottom panel (MS or badly drawn EMS, though Madara seems to switch between the two during this fight):

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You can logically infer that it's even possible that Kurama was freed from Madara in between panels of page one and two, or even a bit earlier in page one. That's why the only possible remnants of the PS in the top panel of page two is the dispersing PS chakra above Kurama's head. Even then it is difficult to say whether or not that is what it really is; Kurama is 100% PS-free at this point. It makes sense how quickly this happened when you consider that Madara was noticeably becoming exhausted (which makes more sense if you believe Madara was attempting to maintain PS, but couldn't) and there's a distinct possibility Hashi's Shin-hand restricted or made it more difficult for Madara.

Before anybody says that Madara released Kurama during the "!!" panel when you see the normal Kurama eye, that isn't true. The "!!" indicates that Madara doesn't want to get smashed, not that he is releasing Kurama (in which case Kurama still would have had Sharingan until the next panel). Kurama did in fact have time to attack before the 2nd hand make contact with his head on the third page in the quotation. Plot no jutsu? The first hand began to weaken him? In any case Kurama is in full control in the entirety of the third page, but Hashirama already had him.

The "!!" you're referring to at the top of page three isn't Madara releasing him, as I think I've established, but Kurama's pissed off reaction to being whopped on the head. He went from enraged to out cold in a matter of a few seconds (given that Kurama did spam some TBBs, but take into consideration the TBB spam Naruto did among all the other Kurama-related things he did up to that point in the war - with 50% Kurama). Basically, if Hashi where to have the arsenal he had here, even 100% Kurama stands no chance if he gets grabbed once.

The proof that Hashirama was NOT going easy even just on full Kurama alone(not even including EMS Madara) is this panel in Kurama's flashbacks:

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Hashirama says: "Nine tails , your power is too great. I can not let you roam free any longer"

Could he really said same words if that was easy for Hashirama to beat just Kurama alone or put it to sleep with no efforts at all.

Obviously it was very difficult for Hashi, just look at him.

As for the actual Madara/Kurama fight, it was even more difficult. If it hadn't been he wouldn't have had to resort to close quarters combat without Mokuton (besides his clone). But, he was quite clearly exhausted by the end of it. Just because Hashi can take down Kurama quickly doesn't mean it's a piece of cake for him. He had the advantage because of his Senju-stamina, Sage Mode (natural chakra=even higher stamina), and his Mokuton which is the best method of dealing with tailed beasts.

3. True feat of Shin SuuSenjuu :​

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What this scan really proved is NOT that Shin suuSenjuu > Perfect Sussano armor wrapped around Kurama but JUST Shin suuSenjuu's durability let it tank PS swords with bijuudama barrage...., which is greatly impressive but it NOT MEAN That SHin SuuSenjuu has ENOUGH fire power to beat Perfect Sussano armor wrapped around Kurama, only just Perfect Sussano armor

SUMMARY :​

• The Shin SuuSenjuu is overrated due to it's giant size.
• The Shin SuuSenjuu has great durabiltiy and fire power, but Only It's durabilty can tank Perfect Sussano swords impaled in tailed beast bombs barrage
• The Shin SuuSenjuu has enough fire power to remove and beast perfect Sussano but not PS and Kurama at the same time as Kurama was unfazed by last attack of Shin Suusenjuu.
• The Shin SuuSenjuu is NOT > Perfect Sussano armored full Kurama, but only > Perfect Sussano.

Thanks for reading !

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EDIT: OF CORUSE IT NOT PROVE THAT HASHIRAMA < EMS MADARA. IT IS STILL HASHIRAMA > EMS MADARA but just HASHIRAMA > EMS MADARA + FULL KURAMA = FALSE !!!

Here's the thing though; Hashi's Shin statue doesn't have enough power to break PS and get Kurama at once IF the arms are being volleyed with TBBs-PS Swords. Otherwise Hashi has this in the bag, even if it's EMS Madara in PS separate from Kurama (assuming Kurama would go after Hashi and not Madara). The PS slashes wouldn't do enough to the arms of the statue before it crushed PS. Mokuton Clones, Wood Dragon, and Wood God would be enough to distract Kurama, and possibly beat him while the real Hashi kills Madara with the Shin statue. Even if Kurama manages to get a TBB off towards the Shin statue, it's doing minimal damage with the durability we've seen out of it. It's not like Kurama is gonna TBB barrage the statue; show me a page where Kurama does this without being under control or in a Jin (Even if Kurama did, it wouldn't be enough and he would soon be sealed for ignoring wood clones/god/dragon). There are a lot of different ways Hashi could do this in either case. Personally, I think Madara had a better chance with PS Kurama then they ever would have had separately.

In summary:
Hashi > EMS Madara w/PS Kurama - very high diff
Hashi > EMS Madara in PS & Non-controlled Kurama - upper mid-high diff

 

[iNotorious]

I kind of agree, that thing is too OVER-RATED, i wouldn't even be surprise if a fanboy tells me that that thing can solo the S06P.

 

[End of Days]

If he had tossed it the result would be the same as the target would be Madara, who was right in front of him. Bold really doesn't matter, as long as Shinsuusenju can grip it, which it can since its arms overall dwarf any Bijuu Dama ever made in this manga by the Kyuubi, it'll be able to grasp it and push it back into the Kyuubi.

They were some distance apart and mokujin could have just stepped back a little

That is completely different.

its not, rasengan is just a miniature bijuudama and mokuton hands are gigantic hands

Bijuu's limb movements are agile, their overall movement on foot is not, so no, they aren't dodging a Bijuu Dama being tossed or slammed back into them.

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the kyuubi is jumping around in the recent chapters

 

[KidGamer65]

They were some distance apart and mokujin could have just stepped back a little

Cause stepping back a little from

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distance is going to let him evade

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explosion....:|

Not to mention he was an Mokujin arm's length away.

its not, rasengan is just a miniature bijuudama and mokuton hands are gigantic hands

Bijuu Dama is fired off by someone else an caught like a baseball, Rasengan is formed in the user's hand and will lose its composition of the user isn't holding it to rotate its chakra. FRS can be thrown cause the Wind does this for Naruto when its tossed.

Mokujin wasn't keeping the Bijuu Dama stable as it had been formed and shot by Kurama already, so no it obviously isn't the same thing.

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the kyuubi is jumping around in the recent chapters

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BM Naruto in the Kurama Avatar is jumping around. Kurama Avatar made of chakra=/=Flesh Kurama.

 

[iRefleX]

The base is pretty stupid. No point in arguing with them.

 

[AmaniPaz]

Shouldn't say anything until we see it's full capabilities.