The Shin SuuSenjuu/Thousand arms wooden statue is overrated [Please read first.]

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to talk about Shin Susenjuu and how much some readers are overrating this summon...

I will debunk some hype around Shin Susenjuu so please read correctly

The Shin Suusenjuu/Thousand arms wooden statue:

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1. The first reason why Shin Suusenjuu is overrated is :​

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^^ Huge size of wooden statue in compare to even full Kurama...

2. Debunking false claim: Shin SuuSenjuu beat down both Kurama and Madara's perfect Sussano at the same time : ​

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^^ Just stop being blind fanboy for moment and take just one unbiased look at this page of manga above. It is true that Shin SuuSenjuu was capable of removing Perfect Sussano wrapped around full Kurama, but Kurama isn't shown wounded or even fazed a bit. NOTHING affected Kurama at all. Also Both Madara and Hashirama were tired at this point and I will use this fact in another panel so keep it in mind.

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^^ Here Shin Suu senjuu is shown caught and grabbed Full Kurama... looks like it was easy, yes ?

But people forgot that Kurama couldn't react attack Shin Suusenjuu on it's own becaues KURAMA WAS UNDER MADARA'S CONTROL AT THAT TIME. basing on what the scan shows I believe Madara WAS STILL CAPABLE OF KEEPING KURAMA's UNDER HIS CONTROL but has NOT ENOUGH POWER to FORCE KURAMA TO DO MADARA's orders and bindings. SO KURAMA WAS HELPLESS AGAINST SHIN SUUSENJUU DUE TO MADARA'S IGNORANCE AND PRIDE.

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^^ It is reason why Kurama in top panel is shown with exclamation mark like "!". The reason is simple, Kurama was just freed from Madara's control..., However before Kurama would awake completly and react properly.
Hashirama put Kurama to sleep in advance to not let Kurama go at rampage.

The proof that Hashirama was NOT going easy even just on full Kurama alone(not even including EMS Madara) is this panel in Kurama's flashbacks:

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Hashirama says: "Nine tails , your power is too great. I can not let you roam free any longer"

Could he really said same words if that was easy for Hashirama to beat just Kurama alone or put it to sleep with no efforts at all.

3. True feat of Shin SuuSenjuu :​

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What this scan really proved is NOT that Shin suuSenjuu > Perfect Sussano armor wrapped around Kurama but JUST Shin suuSenjuu's durability let it tank PS swords with bijuudama barrage...., which is greatly impressive but it NOT MEAN That SHin SuuSenjuu has ENOUGH fire power to beat Perfect Sussano armor wrapped around Kurama, only just Perfect Sussano armor

SUMMARY :​

• The Shin SuuSenjuu is overrated due to it's giant size.
• The Shin SuuSenjuu has great durabiltiy and fire power, but Only It's durabilty can tank Perfect Sussano swords impaled in tailed beast bombs barrage
• The Shin SuuSenjuu has enough fire power to remove and beast perfect Sussano but not PS and Kurama at the same time as Kurama was unfazed by last attack of Shin Suusenjuu.
• The Shin SuuSenjuu is NOT > Perfect Sussano armored full Kurama, but only > Perfect Sussano.

Thanks for reading !

Please share your thoughts

EDIT: OF CORUSE IT NOT PROVE THAT HASHIRAMA < EMS MADARA. IT IS STILL HASHIRAMA > EMS MADARA but just HASHIRAMA > EMS MADARA + FULL KURAMA = FALSE !!!

 

[Champ]

I know it's overrated. If Madara really wanted to kill Hashirama he would just step back a distance and cut Shinsuusenju down with his sword. But Madara just wanted to get Hashirama dna which he did.

 

[Gerkak]

Agreed. but I doubt its overrated people are just saying it is the strongest technique in the manga apart from the juubi's TBB

I know it's overrated. If Madara really wanted to kill Hashirama he would just step back a distance and cut Shinsuusenju down with his sword. But Madara just wanted to get Hashirama dna which he did.

you still think madara was stronger than hashirama?

 

[ballerjordan]

I know it's overrated. If Madara really wanted to kill Hashirama he would just step back a distance and cut Shinsuusenju down with his sword. But Madara just wanted to get Hashirama dna which he did.

Madara cut a 1 km shinsuusenju down? lmao

 

[ShippudenRules]

It's not overrated and is one of the strongest jutsus ever.

Hashirama>>>>Madara. Shin SuuSenju>>>>>Kurama and Perfect Susanoo

Kishi/Manga>>>What you think.

Shin SuuSenju clearly defeated both, DEAL WITH IT.

 

[Champ]

you still think madara was stronger than hashirama?

Madara could've won. If Perfect Susano'o can cut things from that far a distances, their was no reason Madara should've been that close to Shinsuusenju. He should've sliced it to bits

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[KCMNaruto]

It's not overrated and is one of the strongest jutsus ever.

Hashirama>>>>Madara. Shin SuuSenju>>>>>Kurama and Perfect Susanoo

Kishi/Manga>>>What you think.

Shin SuuSenju clearly defeated both, DEAL WITH IT.

I feel sorry for you... Fanboyism makes you blind even when evidence is brought in front of your eyes.

But I can't help you, I will let you stick to your opinion as everyone has right to think differently. Sadly that you didn't even tried to read and of course you lack open mind. Narrow mind limit you only to pure fanboysim that is sad truth.

 

[Limbo]

It really is overrated and i agree on that it only beat ps.

 

[Limbo]

I feel sorry for you... Fanboyism makes you blind even when evidence is brought in front of your eyes.

But I can't help you, I will let you stick to your opinion as everyone has right to think differently. Sadly that you didn't even tried to read and of course you lack open mind. Narrow mind limit you only to pure fanboysim that is sad truth.

True dat.
I love you KCMNaruto

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Madara could've won. If Perfect Susano'o can cut things from that far a distances, their was no reason Madara should've been that close to Shinsuusenju. He should've sliced it to bits

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I doubt it would've been cut to half, but after many slices maybe. Mokuton has durability too since it was able to tank multiple Bijûdama's.

What I'm really wondering is why was Hashirama at the same ground as Madara? And Madara was not even that tired than Hashirama.

There's still more to add to this story.

 

[Gerkak]

Madara could've won. If Perfect Susano'o can cut things from that far a distances, their was no reason Madara should've been that close to Shinsuusenju. He should've sliced it to bits

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PS was shown to fight on even ground with wood god. 1000 armed buddha>wood god. Though I agree madara's PS could severly damage the statue I doubt he could have beaten hashirama

 

[Uchiha Sutona]

Honestly I agree with you on some things and disagree with others. I agree with what you said about Kurama not being able to move when Hashirama grabbed him, But I also believe that its just as simple as it was. In the manga he just picked it up and put it to sleep and thats that, I wish it wasn't, but thats why I believe after Naruto, Kishimoto must do a movie of the Sage of Six Paths that leads up to Hashirama Vs Madara so we can see what truly happened

 

[Smd]

lol i dont even need to read it.

Its Overated terrible

but then again, the only ones doing it is fanboys.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Good thread. Although I still believe Hashirama > EMS Madara fair and square. But the ironic thing is that, Madara was the survivor while Hashirama died due to his wounds(just a theory ). By the way, Shinsuusenju was ripped to bits by the PS sword/Kurama's TBB barrage. I believe that was Hashirama's tactic in the first place. He knew that PS and together with Kurama possessed overwhelming destructive power and that's why he hid the buddha(main part of Shinsuusenju) behind "thousand" wooden hands. Then he waited for the moment when Kurama took a breath(+ like you said Madara was also tired as the controller) and went in to subdue it before it could go on a rampage.

 

[Limbo]

I doubt it would've been cut to half, but after many slices maybe. Mokuton has durability too since it was able to tank multiple Bijûdama's.

What I'm really wondering is why was Hashirama at the same ground as Madara? And Madara was not even that tired than Hashirama.

There's still more to add to this story.

Ikr, how did Madara even beat Suusenju? People are ignoring the fact that at the end of their battle, Hashi was more wounded than Madara.

 

[ShippudenRules]

I feel sorry for you... Fanboyism makes you blind even when evidence is brought in front of your eyes.

But I can't help you, I will let you stick to your opinion as everyone has right to think differently. Sadly that you didn't even tried to read and of course you lack open mind. Narrow mind limit you only to pure fanboysim that is sad truth.

I don't need your pity. This is my opinion and it won't chage. A lot of people on this base refuse to see what Hashirama is: ONE OF THE MOST OP NINJA EVER. Also, Hashirama doesn't cheat to be the strongest (stealing dna/jutsus, reviving the dead etc).

Shin SuuSenju would fodderize Kurama. This technique is SUPERIOR to perfect Susanoo and Kurama together has seen in the manga.

Manga: Shin SuuSenju>>>>>Perfect Susanoo and Kurama, not hard to understand because it's a manga fact.

 

[Gucci45]

Really it is it also has too much of a disadvantage people with speed base feats can out maneuver and get to hashi himself and fight him shinobi to shinobi minato (which i hate to say cause i dislike minato SOOO much) obito any form with MS and maybe naruto not sure about naruto can do exactly what i just said

 

[Bronze]

You have done some mistakes in this thread.

First of all, Shinsuusenju did not tank the 12 TBB + PS blades. When you tank something, that means you have took the damage but with no scratch or cracks. Shinsuusenju arms were completely destroyed. The main body was not damaged because the arms were protecting it.

Second, Shinsuusenju does not have fire power. Fire power are explosion techniques like TBB. Shinsuusenju just punches and that's all. That isn't fire power.

Third, Madara could have destroyed the Shinsuusenju if he kept his distance away from the statue. The distance between Shinsuusenju and Kyuubi was extremely short. If Madara kept his distance away and charged TBB, he would have destroyed the statue without breaking a sweat.

Shinsuusenju only managed to remove half of PS. Not all of it.

Anyway i agree that its damn overrated.

 

[Champ]

I doubt it would've been cut to half, but after many slices maybe. Mokuton has durability too since it was able to tank multiple Bijûdama's.

What I'm really wondering is why was Hashirama at the same ground as Madara? And Madara was not even that tired than Hashirama.

There's still more to add to this story.

yea like after Perfect Susano'o was removed and Shinuusenju was destroyed did they just respawn a new one.

PS was shown to fight on even ground with wood god. 1000 armed buddha>wood god. Though I agree madara's PS could severly damage the statue I doubt he could have beaten hashirama

With Madara having the Sharingan it should allow him to have precise location on Hashirama's chakra, he should've aimed there and just sliced Hashirama down

 

[accept pain]

shinsusenju is most OP summon i have ever seen but its effects were not 100 percent impressive against PS+Kurama.....i still think PS+Kurama(freewill) can beat shinsuusenju

You have done some mistakes in this thread.

First of all, Shinsuusenju did not tank the 12 TBB + PS blades. When you tank something, that means you have took the damage but with no scratch or cracks. Shinsuusenju arms were completely destroyed. The main body was not damaged because the arms were protecting it.

Second, Shinsuusenju does not have fire power. Fire power are explosion techniques like TBB. Shinsuusenju just punches and that's all. That isn't fire power.

Third, Madara could have destroyed the Shinsuusenju if he kept his distance away from the statue. The distance between Shinsuusenju and Kyuubi was extremely short. If Madara kept his distance away and charged TBB, he would have destroyed the statue without breaking a sweat.

Shinsuusenju only managed to remove half of PS. Not all of it.

Anyway i agree that its damn overrated.

yup i completely agree with this