The Rennigan DOESNT require Senju DNA!!!

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It's good to see that people are responding to what I posted. I'm pretty sure the assumption I made is correct, and what you said makes a lot of sense, keep up the good thinking :D
I do believe you need some kind of "mergence" between the two "sons" (lets say Hashirama and Madara), but I don't believe it's DNA...that's just stupid. It's more like something on a higher level than ones physical body... like being complete on a higher level or something :D their fight examples this sort of "mergence".
 
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Yes it doesnt. Because Madara awaken his before his death. That means he doesn't have Senju's DNA yet.

Btw nice typing over there! + rep! :D
acally madara himself does say that he needed the DNA of the first hokage to become complete and thats what their battle was for. thats why he left the fight between himself and the 1st.
 

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Madara, and Tobi needed Senju DNA to add to Uchiha DNA to awaken the Rinnegan,The last Manga chapter with Orochimaru and Kabuto showed that to reverent yourself just keep adding DNA of others to your own, to get the result you want. Kabuto has ben adding other peoples DNA to His own like Madara and Tobi did to get the Rinnegan. Kishi has shown us the way. Making your theory dead.
 

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I did enjoy the layout and how you show evidence to your theory, but there is missing pieces granted the battle which put Madara into his final battle was to collect the cells from The 1st, also that was the battle were he awakened his Rin, granted I understand he wanted his techniques and his power but it could of had an impact, but your counter is the near death experience. So you do have a strong theory but just like everything else poof new info which could through the theory off.

Great read.
 

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Excellent Post.

But senju DNA is required.

Madara achieved the rinnegan AFTER fighting Hashirama. Yes a near death experience through all the stages of the sharingan adds weight to your claim that the Rinnegan is unlocked after a near death a$$ whooping, and upgrading to EMS requires you to murder your relative. It does lend to the notion of violence needed to progress, but Madara would HAVE had to have fought him to get any where near hashirama's DNA. Madara wouldnt be able to just saunter over and ask Hashirama for a pint of blood without getting something thrown at him, he'd have to forcibly take it from him. That's probably how the whole fight started.

The younger and older Sons were blessed with the body and the eyes of the sage respectively, Two parts of a whole. Uchihas are decedents with the eyes and Senjus are decedents with the body. Both Sons were incomplete, one wasn't more whole than the other. Of course the one with the body that has an aura will LOOK more complete than the one with only eyes.

Yes it's true that Nagato had Madara's eyes. Madara chose Nagato because He had a suitable body for the eyes, just the same as Kakashi with Obito's eye and Danzo with shisui's eye. I agree with you that the sharingan places huge strain on the user if they're not uchiha.

Kakashi used to get so drained using the sharingan, he's improving, but he wasnt as good as Danzo using it.

Danzo, he was already in possession of shisui's eye and could use it fine, but he got Hashirama's DNA for that extra boost, it wasnt NEEDED in order to use the sharingan but it helped.

Nagato had the body and lifeforce to support the Rinnegan, without the help of senju DNA because he is already a close decedent.

Danzo has a stronger body than Kakashi and Nagato has a stronger body than Danzo in addition to his bloodline senju DNA, that's why he's able to manage the Rinnegan. This was also done on purpose, i believe to demonstrate the notion that extremely powerful senju life-force is required to use the Rinnegan.

Had Danzo or Kakashi been given a Rinnegan with no senju DNA, i believe it would have reverted to a Sharingan, or at the very least an EMS if it didn't just wipe out all of their chakra.

To become complete (Rinnegan) an Uchiha needs the body of a Senju, again two halves of a whole. Its clear that by body, they mean an individual's LIFE FORCE which equates to an individual's DNA. Each individual's life force is different the same as each individual's DNA is different, but Clans share similar life force and DNA as they are relatives.

Madara could have taken the DNA from any Senju but why would Madara Uchiha, a blood thirsty war monger who seeks ultimate power, go for a weak senju?? He would want power from the strongest and most powerful senju. We all know that DNA is shared in clans, but there are individuals in these clans who's abilities manifest stronger than the other clan members because they have their own individual DNA. You wont get stronger stealing a weak person's DNA.

That being said, it again only makes sense that the strongest Uchiha would target the strongest Senju because logically the Senju with the strongest DNA will have the strongest Life Force and provide the strongest power-up.

He could have went after any ol' senju but it would have been dumb and hashirama would have killed him for it any ways. It makes sense he would go after the strongest of the bloodline.

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the sage of six paths had the rinnegan so then the uchiha and senju clan were born and shared the sages dna so you need uchiha dna and senju dna


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Hi Blaze,

Wonderful Analysis...! Your logic is sound and you supported it well with what kishi has drawn so far in the manga.

I agree with most points that you have made; however your analysis is based on assumption that Tobi is telling the truth about things you have quoted to support your theory. I believe everything that edo madara says because he is blatant about things so he speaking of Nagato and praise for Hashirama is instinctive and I can trust that character on his words. But Tobi :shrug:... in your analysis you have used quotes to justify your reasoning without explaining why he lied about "Rinnegan requiring combination of Senju and Uchiha powers" during the konan death episode. I know that Tobi has been a kind of character that tells half truth or lies when he sees it to his advantage; but we cannot be sure what part he is lying about and what is the actual truth until kishi reveals his identity and the entire truth about Tobi.
Also, Konan herself speaks about Rinnegan being the power of combination of Uchiha and the Senju. The only reason why a character like konan will say that, can be she is absolutely sure that she is telling the truth or she believes that what she is telling is the truth( this idea been planted by someone else ... most probably by Tobi himself or Tobi telling Nagato abt SO6P and then Nagato telling Konan - grapevine).
 
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Hi everyone,

Has anyone seen Tobi deactivate his sharingan or rinnegan on any of the manga page?? If its not shown in the manga and blazes analysis about kakashi and Danzo is correct means there is high possibility of Tobi not being an uchiha.

Also if I am correct Tobi has been hiding one of his eye almost throughout the manga most probably to save his chakra from draining. Most probably his chakra reserves were good enough to manage only one at a time. I wonder what has changed now that he has both sharingan and rinnegan.:rolleyes:
 

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Wrong all of you keep missing Kishi point on how Madara and Tobi got their power ups and what has Kabuto has done adding DNA to Himself for His power ups. You keep aiming at the red barn and missing by a mile, disregarding everything Kishi puts out to make your theory come true. You can't change what Kishi has put out give it up.
 
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