The problem with Individuality

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"Finding oneself" is similar to what psychologists call "Actualization", where people acknowledge who they are and strive to be the best they can. It's on the tippy-top of the pyramid.

It's usefulness is likely to significantly boost your self-esteem and lower depression, as you are accepting both your strengths and your weaknesses, realizing that, while attaining self-actualization, you have worked to get where you are.

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It's on the tip-top (hardest) of the pyramid, because you have to reach the meet the other needs of your life which help you reach the top.
Well we wouldnt even need to "search" if ppl ddnt tell us that we needed to. Slowly through life we learn about ourselves, one event after the other.
 

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What? The united states is built on individualism. It's a prime enlightenment principle that deviates from the collectivistic views of more primitive civilizations. The Idea that you should strive to improve living quality for yourself and family first is why people need to find themselves. One of the first parts of improving your mental quality of life is entering a job that you can strive in and can be comfortable with, without knowing your key traits how do you plan to accomplish such a task? Personal and mental growth can only be accomplished after such realizations as well, these are all essential to fulfilling life goals and dreams at full potential.
Dont you think that basing your career on your own likes and dislikes is somewhat irrelevant. I mean come on if you have a skill that your good at then that should be the skill you should offer other people. It doesnt matter if you like it or not because at the end of the day whatever career you choose youre eventually gonna hate it.
 

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The misery that is now upon us is by the passing of greed
The bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress
The hate of men who will pass and dictators die
And the power they took from the people will return to the people
As so long as men die liberty will never parish
Soldiers, don't give yourself to brutes
Men who despise you and slave you
Who regimen your lives
Tell you what to do what to think and what to feel
Who drill you, tire you
Treat you like cattle use you as canon powder
Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men
Machine men with machine minds and machines hearts
You are not machines, you are not kettle, you are men

Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people
Now let us fight to fulfil that promise
Let us fight to free the world
To do away with national barriers
To do away with greed
With hate and intolerance
Let us fight for a world of reason
A world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness
 

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The misery that is now upon us is by the passing of greed
The bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress
The hate of men who will pass and dictators die
And the power they took from the people will return to the people
As so long as men die liberty will never parish
Soldiers, don't give yourself to brutes
Men who despise you and slave you
Who regimen your lives
Tell you what to do what to think and what to feel
Who drill you, tire you
Treat you like cattle use you as canon powder
Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men
Machine men with machine minds and machines hearts
You are not machines, you are not kettle, you are men

Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people
Now let us fight to fulfil that promise
Let us fight to free the world
To do away with national barriers
To do away with greed
With hate and intolerance
Let us fight for a world of reason
A world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness
Very nice poem, great moral support. Cant say Ill help the world with any remarkable feats but I can at least live in it properly lol

See this is another problem, individuality makes ppl think that they are gonna achieve something noone else has before. Why do we need to strive so high? Cant ppl be happy with what we got already?
 

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what if a "free will" is just a illusion.

i saw a experiment about how easy a human is manipulated although they thought that they have a free will. mostly by society.
 

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what if a "free will" is just a illusion.

i saw a experiment about how easy a human is manipulated although they thought that they have a free will. mostly by society.
Cant be an illusion. You freely commented on this thread from your own free will and noone made you do that. You think therefore you are
 

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Depends on your personality. If you are a person with high standards then you can't be satisfied that easily and you always aim for the next thing to do.

Simple people would just be fine with what they have, however that means they won't get to experience lots of things in life.
 

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Depends on your personality. If you are a person with high standards then you can't be satisfied that easily and you always aim for the next thing to do.

Simple people would just be fine with what they have, however that means they won't get to experience lots of things in life.
Simplicity, Simplicity, Simplicity so says Henry David Thoreau

Theres nothing wrong with it. At least when we ecperience new things well be genuine.
 

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I want to ask the question, Why do people go on such a search to "find ones self"? This whole concept to me is rather counterproductive and a meaningless. Let me explain myself, this search is counterproductive because it averts you from the real problems in life that one should be truly worrying about. Problems such as helping your family, fixing the house, paying bills, getting girlfriends/boyfriends (whichever is your preference), starting a family, and building up your name.
It's interesting that, at least in English, we use the phrase: "To find myself."

That's not exactly what we're looking for.

You can live a life taking care of those things. Find a job. Raise kids. Build a solid and well kept home. Stay educated, particularly in your field of work.

But that's the life of a drone, not a sentient being. That's self-preservation, self-betterment, and reproduction. All of that is basic and should be instinctual.

What one is really trying to find when 'finding himself' is finding what it is they wish to get better at. It's finding what they want to accomplish in life, sorting out what they see as a priority and what types of things give them the most fulfillment.

Which is why I say it is interesting that we assess these things as "being ourself."

This search is also meaningless because once you do learn about yourself. . . . What then? Ok youve learned what makes you happy, irritated, sad, horny, nostalgic, crazy, frustrated etc etc. Its crazy though how this "search" is eeriely similar to putting onesself under a microscope and picking yourself. Its just not healthy to do that. Who wants to pedantically search for themselves in this manner?
That all really depends upon how you go about it.

Generally speaking, you don't find yourself by searching for yourself. You find yourself by realizing when you aren't being yourself.

I shall allow this video to explain:

[video=youtube;8e1ktRjeOuI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e1ktRjeOuI[/video]

Of course - that complicated problem is very simply solved by this:



Which is known as "Proportional Navigation" or Lead-Pursuit Guidance:



You don't always need to place yourself under the microscope to accomplish your goals. With a little 'base' information about who you are and what you want to do in life, you can properly evaluate your surroundings and decide if what you're doing (or about to do) is really going to lead to you being fulfilled in life.

There are a lot of people in the world who do not really have any goals. They don't really have ambition... they simply sit there. Some sink. Some float. Some flail around in a counter-productive circle. Usually - it's because they don't really know what they want and don't want. They let others make decisions in their lives or expend numerous efforts erratically and without much focus.

The worst part is that schools in countries such as USA, UK, Canada, Mexico etc pose this question almost in the very first early years of a young adult. Of course their not ready to answer that type of wuestion and why should they? Is that gonna help them pass their mandatory algebra, english, science , and history classes? Is self doubt gonna help them when they attract their significant other? No its definately not.
To be fair - teenagers should be thinking about these things. They shouldn't be required to lock themselves into any kind of thinking - but they do need to realize that they are continually defining who they are, and will need to find values to which they can hold onto.

This "self" within everyone is nurtured and brought up by external forces (environmental factors). Not by internally going in to bring it out.
Outside factors have an influence, but are not decisive.

My parents had a huge influence on me, as a kid. They encouraged the intrinsically good things about me - they encouraged my affinity for learning, curiosity, and generally proper self. They discouraged some of my more negative expressions - such as spitefulness and laziness.

This is precisely why you should seek awareness of who you are. What values come from you, and what values come from others?

This allows you to sort the good and bad values - it allows you to choose your being. If you can't tell whether a value is foreign or intrinsic to you... then how can you possibly choose how you are going to react to stressful scenarios?

"Aim... I can just choose to act..."

Can you?

Really?

There is a time in everyone's life where something happens - it's a catastrophic experience the likes of which you haven't seen, and it tries every ounce of your character.

For me - it was after losing both of my parents and the girl I was seriously wanting to propose to in a few months decided she'd be better off with some other guy... just before I turned 22. The stable past I knew fell out from under me, and the future I'd dreamed of and strived for wisped away like an image in the clouds.

Then it hit me, a few months later... that the person I was acting like was not at all the person I wanted to be. It was absolutely daunting to me just how far I'd stepped outside of lines I never thought I would cross.

If you do not have a very solid understanding of who you are and what you want in life - each time you are having 'the worst time I've ever had' - you'll crack and quite possibly not even realize it. You'll destroy portions of yourself and make huge errors in judgment because you are acting irrationally rather than logically according to your values and principles.

There is another side of it, too. A darker side, even.

You can allow yourself to get swept away in times of fulfillment and elation... and set yourself up for hardship when that falls out from under you.

When I met that girl - I didn't realize just how head-over-heels I was for her. Or, rather, I did - but I had no appreciation for what that meant. The dreams we shared were nice - but too far ahead of what was practical for us to accomplish. Further, neither of us were in a position to offer the amount of support to each other that we wanted to (or, at least, in my case... I have settled on the belief that she felt the same way - and our dissimilar way of reacting to that stress caused even more problems later).

I was so happy to have someone who I felt a connection with that I didn't realize just how much destruction we were setting ourselves up for...

Had I known myself better - a lot of that could have been avoided. Even if the relationship still failed - it could have been done with much less collateral damage.

Factors like getting to know on what social class you live in or listening to your parents advice can immediately place you on the direction you want to be in. You are what you are by your surroundings not by your own will. In the end of the day, is that really bad? To know that your feelings, emotions, reactions, and thoughts are not so different from the people around you. Individuality doesnt really exist because we are shaped by where we decide to put our minds in.
You just said that we don't choose our individuality.

Then you said we are individuals because of where we decide to place our minds.

Which is it?

I've met a lot of people in my time - and many of them have met far more people than me. There are similarities - commonalities between people...

But what truly makes us individuals is the fact that we are isolated.

I cannot, nor will I ever know what was truly in the heart of that girl. Perhaps she was genuine from the beginning... perhaps I was initially a toy that earned a place of higher regard before the chaos ensued... Perhaps it was all just a rouse. I'll never know (at least, while I'm alive).

You can never completely know another person's heart.

You can get to know a person very well... and in some cases - two people may be able to truly know each others' hearts... something that requires a degree of honesty and trust that I can barely comprehend.

That's what truly forces us to be individuals.

We define who we are, true - but we also cannot escape the fact that another person has freedom.

A woman you've shared life with for 30 years and raised four kids with can freely choose to simply walk out in the middle of the night and never return. A coworker you've had for a decade and survived two bosses with can accept a back-room deal for a promotion and terminate your contract.

People you place your hopes and dreams on... people you rely on for work or life... are not you, and you can't control them.

If you can't control them... and you don't know yourself... then you're not even in control of yourself. Which begs the question... who is controlling your life?

The people who have some amount of control over themselves, if you have no control of your own being.
 

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I think you're talking about something you have no understanding of. (as usual)

'Finding ones self' simply refers to every inidividuals' own path/legend in life or 'personal growth'. Looking deep inside to get a better understanding of your own being and accepting yourself only brings merit in your life and the people around you. You become more proactive and you'll become like a magnet. You'll attract good things in your life as if it's mere luck.

That kinda links to the saying: ''It's surprising how many people go through life without ever recognizing that their feelings towards other people are largely determined by their feelings towards themselves, and if you're not comfortable within yourself, you can't be comfortable with others.''

It's just about personal growth.

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There's different ways to explain it though. This is just my input on the matter.
 
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