The problem with Individuality

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

This thread is about the notion of "finding ones self". Not about free will because everyone has a free will. That is a given in all human life no matter if your from the US or in China.

I want to ask the question, Why do people go on such a search to "find ones self"? This whole concept to me is rather counterproductive and a meaningless. Let me explain myself, this search is counterproductive because it averts you from the real problems in life that one should be truly worrying about. Problems such as helping your family, fixing the house, paying bills, getting girlfriends/boyfriends (whichever is your preference), starting a family, and building up your name. This search is also meaningless because once you do learn about yourself. . . . What then? Ok youve learned what makes you happy, irritated, sad, horny, nostalgic, crazy, frustrated etc etc. Its crazy though how this "search" is eeriely similar to putting onesself under a microscope and picking yourself. Its just not healthy to do that. Who wants to pedantically search for themselves in this manner? The worst part is that schools in countries such as USA, UK, Canada, Mexico etc pose this question almost in the very first early years of a young adult. Of course their not ready to answer that type of wuestion and why should they? Is that gonna help them pass their mandatory algebra, english, science , and history classes? Is self doubt gonna help them when they attract their significant other? No its definately not.

This "self" within everyone is nurtured and brought up by external forces (environmental factors). Not by internally going in to bring it out. Factors like getting to know on what social class you live in or listening to your parents advice can immediately place you on the direction you want to be in. You are what you are by your surroundings not by your own will. In the end of the day, is that really bad? To know that your feelings, emotions, reactions, and thoughts are not so different from the people around you. Individuality doesnt really exist because we are shaped by where we decide to put our minds in.

 

[AaaaNinja]

Well, in order to be able to find out where you belong, it's kind of important to figure out a bit about yourself, right?

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Well, in order to be able to find out where you belong, it's kind of important to figure out a bit about yourself, right?

And why do you feel that you need to belong somewhere? Arent you already accepted in your own home and neighborhood?

 

[Peace Maker]

Not everyone has a freewill.

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Not everyone has a freewill.

ok can you explain who?

 

[Supreme Hokage]

We are slaves to capitalism or socialism, we just don't always realize it.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

"Finding oneself" is similar to what psychologists call "Actualization", where people acknowledge who they are and strive to be the best they can. It's on the tippy-top of the pyramid.

It's usefulness is likely to significantly boost your self-esteem and lower depression, as you are accepting both your strengths and your weaknesses, realizing that, while attaining self-actualization, you have worked to get where you are.

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It's on the tip-top (hardest) of the pyramid, because you have to reach the meet the other needs of your life which help you reach the top.

 

[Jack Spicer]

People just need to clear their head, escape life.

Also, you said "Let me explain myself, this search is counterproductive because it averts you from the real problems in life that one should be truly worrying about. Problems such as helping your family, fixing the house, paying bills, getting girlfriends/boyfriends (whichever is your preference), starting a family, and building up your name. This search is also meaningless because once you do learn about yourself. . . ."

That's your perception of "real" problems. Getting a date, starting a family, and building your name is worthless if you don't have a reason to live. A lot of life searches is to find your reasoning, your happy place, and find meaning. And not everyone should have to worry about starting a family or fixing a house. If you own a house and it's just you, that's your business. If you have someone who lives with you and you leave them without any aid to go on your journey, that's wrong. Before you go on that journey, one should make sure everything is okay if you have a companion.

The journey isn't worthless at all. It's about finding meaning. You can go on with this speech of what individually is and isn't, but that's your opinion. I believe everyone is individual. Of course it's shaped by our surroundings, but it does exist as you are one person who forms beliefs and thoughts. If we didn't have individuality, everyone would think the same like a robot. Guess what? They don't. Some people might, but everyone is different at the end of the day. Nobody is the same. There is only one of you. People might have things in common, but see life differently, may think something is more important than the other, like the smell that other's don't, etc...

Anyways, a journey is important in my opinion.

 

[Tingun]

What? The united states is built on individualism. It's a prime enlightenment principle that deviates from the collectivistic views of more primitive civilizations. The Idea that you should strive to improve living quality for yourself and family first is why people need to find themselves. One of the first parts of improving your mental quality of life is entering a job that you can strive in and can be comfortable with, without knowing your key traits how do you plan to accomplish such a task? Personal and mental growth can only be accomplished after such realizations as well, these are all essential to fulfilling life goals and dreams at full potential.

 

[Gunjan]

I was thinking about it before i saw this thread . I was thinking that 'people...... don't see me as an exception but to look me as an individual'

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

We are slaves to capitalism or socialism, we just don't always realize it.

Only those that are greedy and will never be fulfilled by how much money they have. Those are the true slaves in a capitalist nation

 

[-Punk-]

You are asking something that only one itself would only know .

You might be accept it where you live etc , but if the person doesn't feel like it's what he wants , the search will carry on , why ? cause this is not about others is about yourself .

 

[AaaaNinja]

And why do you feel that you need to belong somewhere? Arent you already accepted in your own home and neighborhood?

Are you depressed and unmotivated?

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

People just need to clear their head, escape life.

Also, you said "Let me explain myself, this search is counterproductive because it averts you from the real problems in life that one should be truly worrying about. Problems such as helping your family, fixing the house, paying bills, getting girlfriends/boyfriends (whichever is your preference), starting a family, and building up your name. This search is also meaningless because once you do learn about yourself. . . ."

That's your perception of "real" problems. Getting a date, starting a family, and building your name is worthless if you don't have a reason to live. A lot of life searches is to find your reasoning, your happy place, and find meaning. And not everyone should have to worry about starting a family or fixing a house. If you own a house and it's just you, that's your business. If you have someone who lives with you and you leave them without any aid to go on your journey, that's wrong. Before you go on that journey, one should make sure everything is okay if you have a companion.

The journey isn't worthless at all. It's about finding meaning. You can go on with this speech of what individually is and isn't, but that's your opinion. I believe everyone is individual. Of course it's shaped by our surroundings, but it does exist as you are one person who forms beliefs and thoughts. If we didn't have individuality, everyone would think the same like a robot. Guess what? Theyout don't. Some people might, but everyone is different at the end of the day. Nobody is the same. There is only one of you. People might have things in common, but see life differently, may think something is more important than the other, like the smell that other's don't, etc...

Anyways, a journey is important in my opinion.

Of courss those are reasons to live a life. Why would anyone ask for anything else? If you think too much on what you want needless to say you will become unsatisfied with your life. Besides life is not all about being happy and achieving goals. why would anyone just want to be happy? its just a feeling that goes away and comes around every so often just.like any other feeling that we humans posess.

 

[Supreme Hokage]

Only those that are greedy and will never be fulfilled by how much money they have. Those are the true slaves in a capitalist nation

Humans are greedy creature weather we admit it or not, which is why we are always in pursuit of happiness and will never be satisfied. Money will make people happy by providing us security in order to not worry on matters like daily expenses, and it is a mean to obtain the material things that we desire.

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Are you depressed and unmotivated?

Um no. I asked that bbecause you said that we needed to find out about ourselves if we want to learn where we belong.

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Humans are greedy creature weather we admit it or not, which is why we are always in pursuit of happiness and will never be satisfied. Money will make people happy by providing us security in order to not worry on matters like daily expenses, and it is a mean to obtain the material things that we desire.

A capitalist nation does fine by providding all the essential needs in our life. Now its everyones choice if they want to have more and this will ultimately bind them.

 

[AaaaNinja]

I think that the question of whether it is good or bad right or wrong or healthy or unhealthy or productive or counterproductive to do anything is just another typical thing that humans do which is to look at things and make a judgement. It's just something that is. People do things. People are curious. People want to find out about themselves. People want to find out what they're good at. They want to find out where there is demand for themselves. Darwin's theory of evolution explains that life diversifies to fill niches in an ecosystem and those creatures that do especially well find the ones where there is not too much competition or environmental pressures. Yes environment plus the individual's ingenuity are definitely a factor. What humans do is no different. They find a place where they can thrive, even if they have to go on a journey to find that niche, it's a matter of survival.

And if it's meaningless, then isn't that just meaningless also? When we realize it's meaningless the instinct is to try to judge whether that's also good or bad because we're stuck in that cycle. People forget that it doesn't mean anything that it's meaningless.

 

[November]

It's simple, We kill the batman!

 

[Supreme Hokage]

A capitalist nation does fine by providding all the essential needs in our life. Now its everyones choice if they want to have more and this will ultimately bind them.

That's a path to mediocrity which will make people feel unsatisfied with their life, and thus they will feel bound by this feeling of regret.