The misconceptions about Tsunade's reaction speed

[shelke]

Ay used v2 against kcm naruto and after the latter dodged, stated that he and minato are the only ones to evade him at his full speed. so yeah its definitely v2.

Full speed can even be used in V1. Like Ae was at full speed in his initial armor as Chee implied. As I said, if he was at V2, then that would mean Bee has faster reflexes. And that makes zero sense. In fact, it would make no sense at all. Minato not detecting Bijuu level surge of chakra also makes no sense.

Also, how is that even possible for Bee's tentacle to match Ae's V2 speed to push him forward? There are several things going against V2 here.

 

[NarutoX28]

Minato reacted to Ay's top speed. Sasuke couldn't. Put the two together and you get that Minato>Sasuke in reactions. Get over it.

Raikage was hesitant about approaching Sasuke in a linear fashion and deliberately waited until Sasuke was preoccupied with Amaterasu in order to escape his view. Seems to me that Sasuke could react to his top speed if he wanted to.

 

[Greedie]

Both involve releasing more chakra throughout the body in general. The instigation of this process might be different, but the end result is entirely the same.

It's really not.

Increased chakra flow is a side effect of limiters being released, nothing more. The power gained from Gates is from slowly releasing the brains limiters on the muscles not the increased chakra flow.
With Curse mark, Senjutsu is involved making it similar to a Sage mode which is proven to increase all base stats, along with Bijuu chakra which is similar to natural energy/chakra

Byakugo chakra has no special properties like Senjutsu/Bijuu chakra, It's just tsunades chakra that has been stored, Not comparable at all really

 

[shelke]

It's really not.

Increased chakra flow is a side effect of limiters being released, nothing more. The power gained from Gates is from slowly releasing the brains limiters on the muscles not the increased chakra flow.
With Curse mark, Senjutsu is involved making it similar to a Sage mode which is proven to increase all base stats, along with Bijuu chakra which is similar to natural energy/chakra

Byakugo chakra has no special properties like Senjutsu/Bijuu chakra, It's just tsunades chakra that has been stored, Not comparable at all really

Basically this. Gates are just ... well, floodgates of the chakra being opened. That chakra is already within the system. It's like human body's response to adrenaline rush. Not a very valid comparsion, but it should apply.

Senjutsu increases all Stats. It is really apples and oranges in my eyes. Gates cannot be compared to Senjutsu and that cannot be compared to Byakugou. At least, that's the way I see it.

 

[NarutoX28]

It's really not.

Increased chakra flow is a side effect of limiters being released, nothing more. The power gained from Gates is from slowly releasing the brains limiters on the muscles not the increased chakra flow.
With Curse mark, Senjutsu is involved making it similar to a Sage mode which is proven to increase all base stats, along with Bijuu chakra which is similar to natural energy/chakra

Byakugo chakra has no special properties like Senjutsu/Bijuu chakra, It's just tsunades chakra that has been stored, Not comparable at all really

Releasing the brain's limiters is the instigation of the process while the result such as increased flow of chakra is what enhances the body's physical capabilities. This is even implicitly explained here:

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The limits imposes limits on the amount of chakra that can be used and it's only by activating them, thus, releasing even chakra far beyond your limits that yields to a tremendous improvement in stats.

The Cursed Seal was not Senjutsu in P1 and it still increased stats by forcibly releasing more chakra. Byakugou accomplishes the same task via different means, so there's literally no reason why it wouldn't enhance base stats.

 

[Joshutsu]

Tsunade is fast. But I wouldn't try to fight her case too much against someone who is hyped for their speed.

She is hyped for her strength and I wouldn't compare Ay to her in that regard.

Though I will say that Tsunade has shown to be able to keep up with him. He isn't always running around in his raiton armor, so that is impressive.

I can live with the fact she has the ability to keep up with most shinobi in NV, and the ones who she would have a harder time doing so with she can compensate for it with her healing. Thats why her and Sakura have regen, to make up for the fact they can't dodge and react to everything.

I still rep Tsunade cuz she really doesnt gaf. She will fight anyone if she has too and she has her hype even though we didn't get to see most of it(because she is old and way out of prime) she is indeed a sannin worthy of her title from the little action we've seen. Love when elders can throw down with the youngings.

 

[RedRobin]

It's really not.

Increased chakra flow is a side effect of limiters being released, nothing more. The power gained from Gates is from slowly releasing the brains limiters on the muscles not the increased chakra flow.
With Curse mark, Senjutsu is involved making it similar to a Sage mode which is proven to increase all base stats, along with Bijuu chakra which is similar to natural energy/chakra

Byakugo chakra has no special properties like Senjutsu/Bijuu chakra, It's just tsunades chakra that has been stored, Not comparable at all really

She was able to move despite her spine being ripped apart. And no thats not simply the regeneration, regeneration would mean it being healed first then restoring her ability to move.

 

[Greedie]

Releasing the brain's limiters is the instigation of the process while the result such as increased flow of chakra is what enhances the body's physical capabilities. This is even implicitly explained here:

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The limits imposes limits on the amount of chakra that can be used and it's only by activating them, thus, releasing even chakra far beyond your limits that yields to a tremendous improvement in stats.

Well i cba to get into the whole gate thing but lets say your right.

Tsunade still has such limiters on her body, Meaning that she is limited to her natural chakra flow, So unlike Gates she cannont increase her base stats with her normal chakra while them limiters are still in place.

The Cursed Seal was not Senjutsu in P1 and it still increased stats by forcibly releasing more chakra. Byakugou accomplishes the same task via different means, so there's literally no reason why it wouldn't enhance base stats.

Since when?, Why wasn't it senjutsu in part 1?.

 

[NarutoX28]

Well i cba to get into the whole gate thing but lets say your right.

Tsunade still has such limiters on her body, Meaning that she is limited to her natural chakra flow, So unlike Gates she cannont increase her base stats with her normal chakra while them limiters are still in place.

It doesn't matter because the Yin Seal acts as another reservoir of chakra similar to a Bijuu.

Since when?, Why wasn't it senjutsu in part 1?.

Because Senjutsu hadn't been conceived yet.

 

[Greedie]

It doesn't matter because the Yin Seal acts as another reservoir of chakra similar to a Bijuu.

Still different.

Bijuu chakra has special qualities that increase stats, Since it's similar to Senjutsu, Normal chakra does not without releasing gate limiters.

Simply having a second reservoir of chakra doesn't bypass chakra limiters on the body since that second reservoir still has to run through her body for said stat increases which is still limited.

Because Senjutsu hadn't been conceived yet.

Doesn't mean kishi didn't have the idea for senjutsu when he created the curse seal.

Curse seal in based on Senjutsu, Thus was senjutsu in part 1. Regardless of if kishi explained it to us or not.

 

[King Of Pop]

Full speed can even be used in V1. Like Ae was at full speed in his initial armor as Chee implied. As I said, if he was at V2, then that would mean Bee has faster reflexes. And that makes zero sense. In fact, it would make no sense at all. Minato not detecting Bijuu level surge of chakra also makes no sense.

Also, how is that even possible for Bee's tentacle to match Ae's V2 speed to push him forward? There are several things going against V2 here.

his V1 is inferior to v2 as he pumps more chakra. if minato reacted to an inferior speed than the one he used against naruto, then he would not have included him in that statement of both dodging his top speed. i dont see how you made the connection with bee. minato reacting to v2 ay doesnt mean he moves as fast as him so he not out speeding bee does not matter really.

bee didnt match his speed. Ay moved first, missed, minato counter attacked and thats when the tentacle gets there

 

[shelke]

his V1 is inferior to v2 as he pumps more chakra. if minato reacted to an inferior speed than the one he used against naruto, then he would not have included him in that statement of both dodging his top speed. i dont see how you made the connection with bee. minato reacting to v2 ay doesnt mean he moves as fast as him so he not out speeding bee does not matter really.

bee didnt match his speed. Ay moved first, missed, minato counter attacked and thats when the tentacle gets there

I don't know, man, the best we can say that he hasn't mastered V2 cloak then? Because as poor a sensor Minato is, I cannot expect him to miss such a powerful rise in chakra. It would make no sense at all. It isn't about moving as fast as him at all, but about reacting. He reacted, albeit mentally, but failed against Bee miserabily? Twice? And a teenaged Bee at that?

He did. It was all happening instantly. Ae never stopped. Whether he missed or not is irrelevant as he never slowed down his movement. Which means he was moving at V2 when Bee sent his tentacle, intercepted him with ease and pushed him forward. That makes no sense at all if Ae was moving at full V2 speed.

 

[Icelerate]

Man so many speed related misconceptions in this thread.