The misconceptions about Tsunade's reaction speed

[RedRobin]

There is nothing in this manga that has ever eluded to Tsunade being slow in any way shape or form.

She has a 3.5 speed stat in a databook released 4 years before Kishi was done writing for her character so just like with every character the databook is not relevant to their latest form as Kishi could have changed anything in 4 years and he did. That 3.5 databook stat is irrelevant to War Arc Tsunade.

Base Tsunade was shown to have reaction speed

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was hyped to have reaction speed on par with Minato. Now Shi could very well be hyping Ay up but that wouldnt change the fact that Ay would still be around that level which would also mean Tsunade is too. Now is it surprising for a hokage to have similar reaction speeds to other hokages and kages? Maybe to you but not to me, thats very logical to me.

Tsunade and Ay had no idea their opponent would be where they were but they reacted in real time at the exact same time. Furthermore they didnt even know if Tsunade would

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so they couldnt have planned that as a coordinated attack which would be stupid anyhow because that would suggest Ay waited for Tsunade so they could hit their opponents together.



Now here are some dumb ass responses I expect to have so I will go through them before:

"Well where was that reaction speed

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when Madara stabbed her huh huh"

Well she was caught off guard since Gaara said

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. Ay was also

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in the same way later. Tsunade's situation was worse too as Madara was directly underneath her while he was at arms length with Ay.

"Uh well Madara already said Tsunade

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than Ay"

First lets make it clear that he wasnt calling her slow but slower than Ay. Yeah he was clearly referring to her foot speed since she just moved forward to him.

"Uh uh uh Kabuto wrecked her"

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:lol We are talking about part 2 Tsunade and there is a clear difference compared to part 1. Tsunade hadnt fought in 20 years and was called rusty on two separate occasions(above). She ran out of breath after

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. Her performance in the war arc is night and day against Kabuto.

 

[Sagebee]

You didn't post any of tsunades supposed speed feats she should technically have them but from my recollection has never showed it and Sakura has ridiculously low reaction speeds

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

It actually blows my mind that people actually have legitimate arguments over such trivial crap such as this

 

[RedRobin]

It actually blows my mind that people actually have legitimate arguments over such trivial crap such as this

Discussing anything in Naruto would be trivial yet you are still here as if there is any new interesting things happening....

 

[Yang release]

It actually blows my mind that people actually have legitimate arguments over such trivial crap such as this

Werddd

 

[RedRobin]

You didn't post any of tsunades supposed speed feats she should technically have them but from my recollection has never showed it and Sakura has ridiculously low reaction speeds

I did. Plus this has nothing to do with Sakura.

 

[Pretentious]

It actually blows my mind that people actually have legitimate arguments over such trivial crap such as this

You're quite dull-witted aren't you? This forum was established for Naruto -- Anything relating to Naruto will be discussed; i.e. isn't "trivial".

You've deemed this "crap" for one of three reasons; Your brain cannot register how ignorant you are -- You're attempting an ostentatious facade -- You're obtuse.

Pick your poison. Downplaying this individuals efforts right or wrong was unnecessary belligerency.

Grow up you stultus gallus.

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[Sagebee]

I did. Plus this has nothing to do with Sakura.

I'm referring to scans that's where it counts and I said Sakura since they both have the same power set, they are both just meant to be tanks nothing more

 

[RedRobin]

I'm referring to scans that's where it counts and I said Sakura since they both have the same power set, they are both just meant to be tanks nothing more

I linked my evidence to what I was talking about. Tsunade's reaction speed in comparison with Ay. Sakura and Tsunade have a similar move sets yes but they have their own individual feats so something about one doesnt prove the same for the other.

 

[KidGamer65]

*Sigh*

Base Ay=Minato>MS Sasuke>any form of Tsunade in reaction speed. Faulty comparisons and fanboyism won't change that.

 

[RedRobin]

*Sigh*

Base Ay=Minato>MS Sasuke>any form of Tsunade in reaction speed. Faulty comparisons and fanboyism won't change that.

There is nothing faulty about it, if anything its the most clear comparison of reactions in the manga. You are still stuck on that 3.5 stat.

Edit: Furthermore she

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base Ay in Byakugo chakra mode.

 

[Shruikan]

Hebi Sasuke has better reaction speed than her

 

[TheEvilOne]

*Sigh*

Base Ay=Minato>MS Sasuke>any form of Tsunade in reaction speed. Faulty comparisons and fanboyism won't change that.

Couldn't agree more, however Tsunade's reaction speed is not as bad as people tend to believe. Even in part 1, she was fast enough to react to Orochimaru like five times when he wanted to kill Naruto, and we are talking about a Tsunade who was afraid of blood and who was bleeding from several open wounds.

 

[KidGamer65]

There is nothing faulty about it, if anything its the most clear comparison of reactions in the manga. You are still stuck on that 3.5 stat.

Edit: Furthermore she

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base Ay in Byakugo chakra mode.

I can show you many scans of two people who aren't as fast as each other striking and acting at the same time. It's terrible logic. Just like you saying she outsped Base Ay in Byakugo Mode even though you don't see Ay attempt to make a move to counter.

Couldn't agree more, however Tsunade's reaction speed is not as bad as people tend to believe. Even in part 1, she was fast enough to react to Orochimaru like five times when he wanted to kill Naruto, and we are talking about a Tsunade who was afraid of blood and who was bleeding from several open wounds.

Oh I agree. She's definitely not slow when it comes to reaction speed. 3.5 isn't even slow, it's just not super fast, not to mention she has Byakugo to increase all her stats.

Also DB speed stat reflects movement and reaction speed, so 3.5 could easily be because her movement speed drags her down a bit.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Are Kakashi and 6G Gai equal in speed now?

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What about Kakashi and KCM Minato?

Now is it surprising for a hokage to have similar reaction speeds to other hokages and kages? Maybe to you but not to me, thats very logical to me.

And this is more bad logic. Are Ay, Onoki, Hiruzen, Mei, Gaara, Tsunade, Minato, Tobirama, Naruto, Hashirama, all around the same reaction speed? :lol If you want to prove your point do it without reaching like this.

 

[RedRobin]

I can show you many scans of two people who aren't as fast as each other striking and acting at the same time. It's terrible logic.

Just like you saying she outsped Base Ay in Byakugo Mode even though you don't see Ay attempt to make a move to counter.

Again this wasnt a coordinated attack like above scans, they only planned to be transported to the battlefield and did not know they would be intercepting a coordinated attack by Madara and Muu. That was a straight reaction on their part as fast as they could.

Clearly we didnt see Base Ay attempt to make a move because as I am saying Tsunade moved faster than him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Again this wasnt a coordinated attack, they only planned to be transported to the battlefield and did not know they would be intercepting a coordinated attack by Madara and Muu. That was a straight reaction on their part as fast as they could.

Clearly we didnt see Base Ay attempt to make a move because as I am saying Tsunade moved faster than him.

And neither were the examples listed above or many of the other examples in the Manga. None of that even matters. Once teleported to the field they can see what they are up against thus make the decision to attack together.

For Tsunade to have outsped him you'd have to prove that Ay had the intent to act in the first place. Not a hard concept to grasp. You can't do such thus as usual you are wrong.

Let's also use this terrible logic of yours for a second. If Ay tried to act, but couldn't be seen doing so because Tsunade outsped him that badly then you'd have to argue that Mei also outsped him by a lot since she was making hand signs while Ay wasn't doing anything. :lol

 

[RedRobin]

And neither were the examples listed above or many of the other examples in the Manga. None of that even matters. Once teleported to the field they can see what they are up against thus make the decision to attack together.

For Tsunade to have outsped him you'd have to prove that Ay had the intent to act in the first place. Not a hard concept to grasp. You can't do such thus as usual you are wrong.

Let's also use this terrible logic of yours for a second. If Ay tried to act, but couldn't be seen doing so because Tsunade outsped him that badly then you'd have to argue that Mei also outsped him by a lot since she was making hand signs while Ay wasn't doing anything. :lol

How would that not matter? Do you not realize that there is no 'once teleported they could figure something out' as once the teleportation was finished they had no time to do anything else but straight react to what was in front of them.

There is an attack coming their way I dont need to prove Ay had intent to act unless he wanted to be hit by katon.

They all see Madara is coming for an attack as Onoki points it out, Mei is shown first as she is the one who is supposed to take care of the katons but she soon realizes that she will not make it, as such Tsunade also realizes this and is first to act before the rest of the gokage. Ay

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next when Tsunade is in trouble.

Since you do not agree with this interpretation of the situation then what happened according to you?

 

[KidGamer65]

How would that not matter? Do you not realize that there is no 'once teleported they could figure something out' as once the teleportation was finished they had no time to do anything else but straight react to what was in front of them.

There is an attack coming their way I dont need to prove Ay had intent to act unless he wanted to be hit by katon.

They all see Madara is coming for an attack as Onoki points it out, Mei is shown first as she is the one who is supposed to take care of the katons but she soon realizes that she will not make it, as such Tsunade also realizes this and is first to act before the rest of the gokage. Ay

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next when Tsunade is in trouble.

Since you do not agree with this interpretation of the situation then what happened according to you?

-Teleportation is used.
-They teleport in front of Mu and Madara.
-Then they attack.

They didn't teleport straight into the attack. They teleported into the path of the attack thus giving them enough time to realize that there are 2 people. If verbal communication not being possible is what you are getting at then do me a favor and stop, because that's not necessary. Not to mention there was a brief pause between their arrivals and attacks and Madara and Mu's attacks. [

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] Stop making excuses and stop ignoring arguments. Lmao.

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Are Kakashi and 6G Gai equal in speed now?

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What about Kakashi and KCM Minato?

Now is it surprising for a hokage to have similar reaction speeds to other hokages and kages? Maybe to you but not to me, thats very logical to me.

And this is more bad logic. Are Ay, Onoki, Hiruzen, Mei, Gaara, Tsunade, Minato, Tobirama, Naruto, Hashirama, all around the same reaction speed? :lol If you want to prove your point do it without reaching like this.

And yes, you do need to prove that Ay had the intent to act. There are 3 other people who's abilities would actually block Madara's attack while Ay can't block them like that in Base.

Your logic: Dodai grabbed Naruto before Naruto decided to evade Raikage's Nukite thus Dodai>KCM Naruto in reaction speed. [

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] :lol The only person she outsped is Mei because Mei actually tried to perform an action. Tsunade in any form having better reaction speed than Ay in any form is nonsense let alone the degree you are making such claim. You are claiming that Tsunade can travel 10 meters faster than Ay can physically react. :lol That's not even possible unless Tsunade moved far faster than Ay in his top speed.

 

[Greedie]

Well there you have it Guys, Mei >>>>>>>> the whole Gokage in terms of reactions and speed, Since she was able to start creating seals and even talk to herself long before any of the gokage reacted to madara's katon.