The misconceptions about Tsunade's reaction speed

[Icelerate]

Lmao. Unless you think Tsunade is faster than V2 Ay she didn't outspeed Base Ay in that instance as he didn't try to do a thing. That's a fact. Dancing around it won't make it vanish from reality.

This doesn't make sense because V1 Ay would out speed base Ay so you don't have to be faster than V2 Ay to do that. I do agree that Tsunade is no where near Minato in reaction speed and by extension base Ay as well unless the Viz made a translation error.

 

[KidGamer65]

This doesn't make sense because V1 Ay would out speed base Ay so you don't have to be faster than V2 Ay to do that. I do agree that Tsunade is no where near Minato in reaction speed and by extension base Ay as well unless the Viz made a translation error.

Nope. Tsunade traveled 10 meters and swatted the flames away while Ay didn't move an inch. RedRobin is saying that this happened because Ay had the intent to move, but couldn't move in the time Tsunade traveled that distance and swatted those flames. Ay has Minato level reactions and Minato can physically react to Ay's top speed, so to move fast enough so that Ay can't move an inch you'd have to be moving at V2 levels at least. Obviously in general you don't need to be as fast as V2 Ay to outspeed his Base version.

 

[RedRobin]

Nope. Tsunade traveled 10 meters and swatted the flames away while Ay didn't move an inch. RedRobin is saying that this happened because Ay had the intent to move, but couldn't move in the time Tsunade traveled that distance and swatted those flames. Ay has Minato level reactions and Minato can physically react to Ay's top speed, so to move fast enough so that Ay can't move an inch you'd have to be moving at V2 levels at least. Obviously in general you don't need to be as fast as V2 Ay to outspeed his Base version.

Lol Or Tsunade simply reacted first and once she did Ay no longer felt he had to move.

Making ridiculous claims that make no sense to try and disprove what I am saying is not going to help your case.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol Or Tsunade simply reacted first and once she did Ay no longer felt he had to move.

Making ridiculous claims that make no sense to try and disprove what I am saying is not going to help your case.

But once again this is you making stuff up. If Ay really did act at that time then he would've moved even if a little bit and then stopped. But Ay did not budge an inch. He literally did not budge an inch.

These claims are literally copy and pasted from your argument. You can't even show that Ay tried to react in the first place, that's why instead of addressing the argument you keep rambling on repeating your point over and over like some dumb parrot. If you could've proved your argument you would've done so on page 1, but you can't.

Kishimoto doesn't think Tsunade is as fast as you think she is and there's really nothing more to it buddy. Will you die if you admit that Tsunade isn't as great as you say she is? I don't think you will.

 

[NarutoX28]

The only thing that can be derived from the scene is Tsunade's ability to outpace Mei's ninjutsu execution. Still a very impressive feat, but it's a very bold and quite frankly, a dubious claim to infer that Tsunade is superior to Base Raikage in reaction speed just because of that. Given Base Raikage's ability to out-speed all of the Kages to blitz Zetsu, I'd imagine that it's a feasible task for Base Raikage and especially Minato whose Shunshin eclipses Base Raikage's.

 

[Greedie]

Making ridiculous claims that make no sense.

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[shelke]

I vaguely recall boasting how Byakugou Tsunade was more reflexive than Minato, not Base Tsunade.

But that was in my Minato-hating days when I ignorantly believed Young Bee could react to him with ease. :bdpf:

Which he did? Unless, you are going by some bizarre narratives built by Nb.

The only thing that can be derived from the scene is Tsunade's ability to outpace Mei's ninjutsu execution. Still a very impressive feat, but it's a very bold and quite frankly, a dubious claim to infer that Tsunade is superior to Base Raikage in reaction speed just because of that. Given Base Raikage's ability to out-speed all of the Kages to blitz Zetsu, I'd imagine that it's a feasible task for Base Raikage and especially Minato whose Shunshin eclipses Base Raikage's.

It doesn't.

 

[lndra]

Misconception:lol

 

[Livenojutsu]

She is not faster like Ay but she can increase her speed through her chakra control which i believe.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

*Sigh*

Base Ay=Minato>MS Sasuke>any form of Tsunade in reaction speed. Faulty comparisons and fanboyism won't change that.

Maybe I am wrong but isnt version 2 Ay on pair with Minato in reflexes and not base Ay

 

[NarutoX28]

It doesn't.

I used to conform to C's statement alluding to Base Raikage's Shunshin as well, but given what's explicitly shown in the manga, Minato's Shunshin being equivalent to Base Raikage's makes absolutely no sense. Minato's reaction speed is still equivalent to Base Raikage's though.

As for Bee, given that Sasuke maneuvers even faster than V1 Bee, there's no way Base Bee can easily react to Minato. He's definitely significantly slower than Minato is.

 

[NarutoX28]

Maybe I am wrong but isnt version 2 Ay on pair with Minato in reflexes and not base Ay

No, Base Raikage's reaction speed is specifically stated to be on par with Minato's.

The manga consistently accentuated Raikage's speed by illustrating how his physical speed surpassed Minato's.

 

[shelke]

I used to conform to C's statement alluding to Base Raikage's Shunshin as well, but given what's explicitly shown in the manga, Minato's Shunshin being equivalent to Base Raikage's makes absolutely no sense. Minato's reaction speed is still equivalent to Base Raikage's though.

As for Bee, given that Sasuke maneuvers even faster than V1 Bee, there's no way Base Bee can easily react to Minato. He's definitely significantly slower than Minato is.

Why doesn't it make any sense? Minato has no Body Flicker feats that are out of this world.

Are you denying canon manga where Base Bee, teenage Bee at that, did react ... not once, but twice to him? No, that just shows that Sasuke is faster than V1 Bee. Nothing out of the world as all Uchihas are incredibly fast. Simply putting Minato WAY up with nothing to back it up makes no sense at all.

 

[Team7monaa]

It actually blows my mind that people actually have legitimate arguments over such trivial crap such as this

Sweetie, you admire a character with minimal canon feats, trivial should be common for you.

 

[NarutoX28]

Why doesn't it make any sense? Minato has no Body Flicker feats that are out of this world.

Are you denying canon manga where Base Bee, teenage Bee at that, did react ... not once, but twice to him? No, that just shows that Sasuke is faster than V1 Bee. Nothing out of the world as all Uchihas are incredibly fast. Simply putting Minato WAY up with nothing to back it up makes no sense at all.

I'd beg to differ. Flickering Kilometers around the Juubi battlefield and placing multiple markings before Tobirama arrived at the battlefield is an extraordinary display of Shunshin.

I'm not, but reacting to someone twice doesn't denote equivalent speed or reactions. Deidara reacted to Hebi Sasuke twice, but he was conspicuously inferior. Since all Uchihas are fast, then Minato's feat of bam-flashing Obito should suffice in accentuating the height of Minato's reactions.

 

[shelke]

I'd beg to differ. Flickering Kilometers around the Juubi battlefield and placing multiple markings before Tobirama arrived at the battlefield is an extraordinary display of Shunshin.

I'm not, but reacting to someone twice doesn't denote equivalent speed or reactions. Deidara reacted to Hebi Sasuke twice, but he was conspicuously inferior. Since all Uchihas are fast, then Minato's feat of bam-flashing Obito should suffice in accentuating the height of Minato's reactions.

That is something that happened off Panel. You don't know how long it even took for him to get there. His on-panel feats are medicore at best compared to good speed feats from the likes of Uchihas, Ae (V1) and Bee. Tobirama's and Hashirama's speed is nothing special if that is what you are implying that outspeeding them is some huge feat. The former has far better reaction speed than Minato, though. Mind you, Madara made a short work of the latter when Hashirama was in SM. He stabbed him about seven times with the rods. Also, why can't Ae (or other speedsters) do the same if given the chance? Or better even?

I am talking about reactions not teenage Bee's foot-speed, which is far superior to Minato in his adulthood anyway. Reacting to someone teleporting does mean better reflexes. Do you actually believe Sasuke went at him with the intent to kill or strike him down like he did with Tobi? He was holding back, which is proven because of Deidara's own claims as to how he continued to fail despite upping the chakra blasts' speeds of his Clay based bombs. Sasuke managed to out-speed all of them with ease. Look at the complete picture and not a chunk out of it.

Or are you going to tell me that Obito slapping Naruto around and dodging Gai and Kakashi as well doesn't mean he has better speed? Or Bee reacting far better to controlled Jins compared to KCM Naruto doesn't mean he is better? That isn't the case with Bee. The manga clearly showed what happened. Bee showed superior reflexes. It's just a narrative you are following that has been built up on empty and ludicrous hype that surrounds Minato. There is zero evidence to suggest in the manga that Minato's speed comes even close to V1 Ae. Why? Because there are no scans to prove it. No scans means it's a narrative.

You are talking about a feat of Minato teleporting behind a 14-year-old Obito's head and claiming that he has superior speed and reflexes, when the latter isn't a sensor? Are you translating the same thing to his adulthood? That seems really fair and really logical. Or that Obito where he had rods stuck in his back and couldn't even move when he was being controlled by Madara? Really? All right.

 

[Icelerate]

Tsunade punching her target at the same time as the Raikage could easily be because she has greater striking speed due to possessing greater physical strength even if the Raikage had started punching his target before Tsunade.

Tsunade moving before the Raikage could be because she realized Mei's suiton wouldn't make it in time before the Raikage did which has nothing to do with reactions.

The feats and comparisons you use are flawed. Don't worry, everyone makes these types of mistakes but it is important to admit when one makes them.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tsunade punching her target at the same time as the Raikage could easily be because she has greater striking speed due to possessing greater physical strength even if the Raikage had started punching his target before Tsunade.

Tsunade moving before the Raikage could be because she realized Mei's suiton wouldn't make it in time before the Raikage did which has nothing to do with reactions.

The feats and comparisons you use are flawed. Don't worry, everyone makes these types of mistakes but it is important to admit when one makes them.

This is still an impressive and often overlooked feat. It shows how quickly she can adept to a situation, make a decision and act in a matter of seconds.

 

[shelke]

Tsunade punching her target at the same time as the Raikage could easily be because she has greater striking speed due to possessing greater physical strength even if the Raikage had started punching his target before Tsunade.

Tsunade moving before the Raikage could be because she realized Mei's suiton wouldn't make it in time before the Raikage did which has nothing to do with reactions.

The feats and comparisons you use are flawed. Don't worry, everyone makes these types of mistakes but it is important to admit when one makes them.

Oh, shut up, man ...

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

Sweetie, you admire a character with minimal canon feats, trivial should be common for you.

Thanks mom, you always explain things so easily for me.