The Kurama phenomenon: Is minato really a jinchuuriki?

[FearxDeath]

Dont think of it as Yin and Yang, think of it as Body and Mind/Spirit/Soul. [Things are getting get a little christiany, sorry if I offend] In a biblical sense this qoute from C.S Lewis comes to mind "You don't have a soul. You are a soul; You have a body.". Now with that the assumption can be made that one can live without a soul and still retain ones mind and everything else, hence how people sell their souls to the devil. So we see that the Body and Soul are, much like Kurama, 2 halves of the same coin. They both have the same memories, feelings, thoughts and emotions, but are separate nonetheless

I hope that explains it x__x

 

[Draphsin]

Kurama [the one inside] has taken chakra from Naruto over the years as well, I believe that he's almost complete [although not as powerful as his former self]

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Almost complete doesnt mean that he is, naruto's yin chakra is not enough to compensate for the loss of kurama's yin chakra. He is still not a full fledged bijuu.

The Kurama that is inside of Naruto has his own Yang + Naruto's Yin chakra [given the fact he used to recognize the evil Naruto as the "real" Naruto] vice-versa for Minato U_U

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Yes but as I said naruto's yin chakra is nowhere near enough to compensate for kurama's yin.

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And I finally had to read over and over to understand kurama has both his yin and yang chakra only half his power was sealed away not and I did some research and watched the anime kurama can manifest flesh and bone watch the last fight between Naruto and pein you will understand

Do you not read the manga at all? jiraiya clearly says that minato sealed kurama's yang chakra, kurama's yang = half of its power so this point is invalid..

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Yup Minato is a jinchuriki.

Great point! You must be right..../sarcasm :|

If it looks like a duck, moves like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck, there's no such thing as a pseudo jinchuuriki, both Naruto and Minato are full fledged jinchuuriki. Not only that, but they are stronger than most other jinchuuriki.

So wrong..So everyone with red hair must be an uzumaki because thats how they all look? Obito looked & sounded like madara, was he madara? This is flawed logic.

I don't think it's that they're pseudo-Jinchūriki, I think it's that they're just weakened Jinchūriki. Ginkaku and Kinkaku and Sora (anime character) were pseudo-Jinchūriki because they had no Bijū in them at all, yet they still had Jinchūriki powers.
Naruto and Minato DO have a Bijū inside them, though it is weakened. Therefore, I think they are true Jinchūriki like B, they just have a weaker Bijū.

See, the thing is that minato & naruto dont have a bijuu inside of them, they only have half or a bijuu, half being part & thus not the full thing, therefore they are not fully fledged jinchuuriki. Jin & kin had part of kurama (his chakra) & therefore they are in the same boat.

Without his yin kurama is incomplete, even if he were to accumulate some extra tin from naruto it wouldnt be enough to complete him & thus make him a legitimate bijuu.

Dont think of it as Yin and Yang, think of it as Body and Mind/Spirit/Soul. [Things are getting get a little christiany, sorry if I offend] In a biblical sense this qoute from C.S Lewis comes to mind "You don't have a soul. You are a soul; You have a body.". Now with that the assumption can be made that one can live without a soul and still retain ones mind and everything else, hence how people sell their souls to the devil. So we see that the Body and Soul are, much like Kurama, 2 halves of the same coin. They both have the same memories, feelings, thoughts and emotions, but are separate nonetheless

I hope that explains it x__x

Yeah that is a decent way of putting it, 2 parts of a whole picture.

 

[Retsu]

Almost complete doesnt mean that he is, naruto's yin chakra is not enough to compensate for the loss of kurama's yin chakra. He is still not a full fledged bijuu.



Yes but as I said naruto's yin chakra is nowhere near enough to compensate for kurama's yin.



Do you not read the manga at all? jiraiya clearly says that minato sealed kurama's yin chakra, kurama's yin = half of its power so this point is invalid..

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Great point! You must be right..../sarcasm :|



So wrong..So everyone who looks like an uzumaki must be an uzumaki? Obito looked & sounded like madara, was he madara? This is flawed logic.



See, the thing is that minato & naruto dont have a bijuu inside of them, they only have half or a bijuu, half being part & thus not the full thing, therefore they are not fully fledged jinchuuriki. Jin & kin had part of kurama (his chakra) & therefore they are in the same boat.

Without his yin kurama is incomplete, even if he were to accumulate some extra tin from naruto it wouldnt be enough to complete him & thus make him a legitimate bijuu.


Yeah that is a decent way of putting it, 2 parts of a whole picture.

Nowhere has it ever said that a Bijuu requires both the yin and yang chakra to fully qualify as a Jinchuuriki, this is just some logic you yourself have applied and it is already blatantly proven false, Naruto and Minato have 2 separate foxes and they both have their own mind, the fact that they are separated into yin and yang is irrelevant.

 

[Draphsin]

Nowhere has it ever said that a Bijuu requires both the yin and yang chakra to fully qualify as a Jinchuuriki, this is just some logic you yourself have applied and it is already blatantly proven false.

Lol every single bijuu consists of both yin & yang chakra, without both components then the bijuu is not a bijuu but merely part of one. There is no twisted logic, you just wish to deny obvious facts. Bijuu dont require both yin & yang but the bijuu isnt complete without it.

Naruto and Minato have 2 separate foxes and they both have their own mind, the fact that they are separated into yin and yang is irrelevant.

Wrong, they are two separate embodiments of the same bijuu. Yin kurama is the spiritual embodiment while yang kurama is the physical embodiment. They are both only 1 bijuu, not 2.

 

[Booker]

That's true but I'm saying that all bijuu have yin & yang chakra, kurama does not possess this yin chakra & thus he is incomplete.

Since yang kurama is the physical energy, yang kurama will look like a normal kurama (except smaller because he has less chakra). Yin kurama is just a spiritual essence & so he has no real physical form.



The thing that makes yin & yang kurama different from standard bijuu is the fact that they are missing vital pieces of themselves. All bijuu have yin & yang, minato merely separated those pieces into two "beings". They still remain parts of one whole bijuu in the end.



No, that was the physical essence (yang) of kurama manifesting itself. Yang is physical energy, yang kurama looks like regular kurama because that is what he physically looks like. Yin kurama is spiritual energy which we would never see if they were normally together.

Bottom line is that since he lacks the yin half, he is not a true bijuu & so that would make the jinchuuriki a pseudo jinchuuriki.

He's still a tailed beast regardless. He can do everything the same as when he was whole.

If anything, they are still Jinchuriki, just weakened.

 

[Draphsin]

He's still a tailed beast regardless. He can do everything the same as when he was whole.

If anything, they are still Jinchuriki, just weakened.

Kakashi can use his sharingan just as good if not better than most uchiha, does that make him an uchiha? Kurama may be able to do what he could normally if he were complete but that still doesnt change the fact that he is incomplete.

 

[Booker]

Kakashi can use his sharingan just as good if not better than most uchiha, does that make him an uchiha? Kurama may be able to do what he could normally if he were complete but that still doesnt change the fact that he is incomplete.

That's not really a good example.

A better one would be, if you split an Uchiha into two different Uchihas, they would still be Uchihas.

 

[Ryan Ensign]

Maybe because Minato has the Yin chakra, Naruto has the KCM and BM chakra cloaks/abilities rather than partial Kyuubi transformation/manifestation like growing the actual Kyuubi tail or arm like Bee can...

 

[closecombat22]

That's not really a good example.

A better one would be, if you split an Uchiha into two different Uchihas, they would still be Uchihas.

I like you your smart

 

[Minator93]

Almost complete doesnt mean that he is, naruto's yin chakra is not enough to compensate for the loss of kurama's yin chakra. He is still not a full fledged bijuu.

Yes but as I said naruto's yin chakra is nowhere near enough to compensate for kurama's yin.

Kurama can mould chakra i.e. he can gather new chakra as seen in canon U_U And that's why I said he's "almost" complete

 

[madvictory]

Minato is obviously a Jinchuriki. Same with Naruto.
A Jinchuriki by definition can control the chakra of their Tailed Beast. Can Naruto and Minato do this?
Hell yeah.

Why can Minato use it even as a zombie?
Plot. That's why.