The Kurama phenomenon: Is minato really a jinchuuriki?

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But we have always known that Kurama isn't whole all the way

My previous thought was that yin kurama had no consciousness, this led me to believe that minato was merely storing kurama's "spiritual energy" while naruto actually housed kurama inside of himself.

Now that its confirmed that yin kurama is more than just chakra, he has a personality as well. This proves that naruto really doesnt have his entire bijuu "soul" wise.
 

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My previous thought was that yin kurama had no consciousness, this led me to believe that minato was merely storing kurama's "spiritual energy" while naruto actually housed kurama inside of himself.

Now that its confirmed that yin kurama is more than just chakra, he has a personality as well. This proves that naruto really doesnt have his entire bijuu "soul" wise.

No he wasn't. But this is also something I have always waited for. Why I said so is this the Kyuubi Harshirama fought against and Madara was way more powerful. The Kyuubi minato fought was way more powerful they were both mountain wreckers. But the Kyuubi in Naruto is just a Mountain not a wrecker.
 

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Nic explination and I completly agreed ......!

This also explains y Naruto only able to use chakra cloak as BM(chakra cloak in the form of Kyubi)...

Look at Bee he can actually enter original form of 8 tail's (Hachibi's original body) but Naruto's BM is nothng but chakra cloak in the form of Kyubi...

Wel actually I dnt care abt wether they are jin's or not since both of them can enter BM now it is no dif from an actual jin...!
 

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No he wasn't. But this is also something I have always waited for. Why I said so is this the Kyuubi Harshirama fought against and Madara was way more powerful. The Kyuubi minato fought was way more powerful they were both mountain wreckers. But the Kyuubi in Naruto is just a Mountain not a wrecker.

I know that kurama is weaker than before, but that's because he is only part of what he normally should be which is a full jinchuuriki with both yin & yang.

Kurama has no yin & therefore he is not complete, he is not a full fledged bijuu himself but of course he wold be too proud to say it. Kurama was referring to naruto being his jinchuuriki & not the jinchuuriki of the full 100%.

Nic explination and I completly agreed ......!

This also explains y Naruto only able to use chakra cloak as BM(chakra cloak in the form of Kyubi)...

Look at Bee he can actually enter original form of 8 tail's (Hachibi's original body) but Naruto's BM is nothng but chakra cloak in the form of Kyubi...

Wel actually I dnt care abt wether they are jin's or not since both of them can enter BM now it is no dif from an actual jin...!

Minato cant enter BM, he is not friends with yin kurama. But thanks for agreeing at least.
 

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Okay so my reasoning as to why minato isnt a jinchuuriki was off, however it still doesnt discredit something important. Minato is actually a pseudo jinchuuriki instead, & to go even further than that, naruto is a pseudo jinchuuriki as well, neither of them are actually jinchuuriki who by definition are supposed to house a tailed beast, not part of it, let me explain:

The Yin Release (陰遁, Inton; Viz "Dark Style" or "Shadow Style") techniques, based on the spiritual energy that governs the imagination, can be used to create form out of nothingness.

The Yang Release (陽遁, Yōton; Viz "Light Style") techniques, based on the physical energy that governs vitality, can be used to breathe life into form.


When looking at the definitions, my initial thought before "yin" kurama was "Well if minato only possessed the spiritual energy that is also present within the uchiha, then it would only make sense that yin kurama would have no "soul" or consciousness & thus simply be an embodiment of chakra (similar to susanoo)."

But then after yin kurama spoke I had to re-evaluate my conclusion, for a while I actually thought that minato was an honest to god jinchuuriki...But then it hit me, & the answer was quite simple really. Neither him nor naruto are in fact jinchuuriki, they are simply two parts of the whole definition. Kurama & yin kurama aren't separate bijuu, they are 1 bijuu who is separated, there is a difference.

So in conclusion, minato is not a jinchuuriki & neither is naruto in fact, they are both pseudo jinchuuriki because they only possess pieces of the entire bijuu. Kurama is the living embodiment of, well...kurama. & yin kurama is just the spiritual embodiment, you need both to become complete & thus an actual jinchuuriki.

This also still explains why minato can be an edo jinchuuriki, because he isnt really one :cool:.

I think Naruto is the jin but minato isn't... In essence you could say that the mass of chakra that's talking to minato isn't actually kurama at all but just his chakra manifesting itself spiritually. It may talk but in the end it's only a mass of chakra
 

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I'd just like to poke a quick hole in this...

Even after Minato split Kurama in half, he still was a Bijuu, albeit smaller. What I think happened was that Kurama was literally split into two seperate Bijuus- just like the Sage did to the Juubi, 9 different ways. If we go by what you said, only the Juubi is a true Bijuu, and all of the Tailed Beasts split off from him are not Bijuu, meaning nobody is really a Jinchuriki.
 

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I'd just like to poke a quick hole in this...

Even after Minato split Kurama in half, he still was a Bijuu, albeit smaller. What I think happened was that Kurama was literally split into two seperate Bijuus- just like the Sage did to the Juubi, 9 different ways. If we go by what you said, only the Juubi is a true Bijuu, and all of the Tailed Beasts split off from him are not Bijuu, meaning nobody is really a Jinchuriki.
ur point makes sense but all other Bijju had thire own Yin and Yang but Naruto and Minato didn't lack's that quality...!

Minato cant enter BM, he is not friends with yin kurama. But thanks for agreeing at least.

I'll agree with u until next chapter..........!
 
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ur point makes sense but all other Bijju had thire own Yin and Yang but Naruto and Minato didn't lack's that quality...!

So? Even after Kurama was split and before he was sealed in Naruto, he was still a Bijuu. Just a smaller one.

When Kurama was breaking out of CT, he was manifesting into an actual Bijuu still. He just has his power halved, they are still Bijuu.
 

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I think Naruto is the jin but minato isn't... In essence you could say that the mass of chakra that's talking to minato isn't actually kurama at all but just his chakra manifesting itself spiritually. It may talk but in the end it's only a mass of chakra

That's true but I'm saying that all bijuu have yin & yang chakra, kurama does not possess this yin chakra & thus he is incomplete.

Since yang kurama is the physical energy, yang kurama will look like a normal kurama (except smaller because he has less chakra). Yin kurama is just a spiritual essence & so he has no real physical form.

I'd just like to poke a quick hole in this...

Even after Minato split Kurama in half, he still was a Bijuu, albeit smaller. What I think happened was that Kurama was literally split into two seperate Bijuus- just like the Sage did to the Juubi, 9 different ways. If we go by what you said, only the Juubi is a true Bijuu, and all of the Tailed Beasts split off from him are not Bijuu, meaning nobody is really a Jinchuriki.

The thing that makes yin & yang kurama different from standard bijuu is the fact that they are missing vital pieces of themselves. All bijuu have yin & yang, minato merely separated those pieces into two "beings". They still remain parts of one whole bijuu in the end.

So? Even after Kurama was split and before he was sealed in Naruto, he was still a Bijuu. Just a smaller one.

When Kurama was breaking out of CT, he was manifesting into an actual Bijuu still. He just has his power halved, they are still Bijuu.

No, that was the physical essence (yang) of kurama manifesting itself. Yang is physical energy, yang kurama looks like regular kurama because that is what he physically looks like. Yin kurama is spiritual energy which we would never see if they were normally together.

Bottom line is that since he lacks the yin half, he is not a true bijuu & so that would make the jinchuuriki a pseudo jinchuuriki.
 

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Minato is Jinchuriki and so is Naruto U_U

I thought that was obvious when this happened

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Only a Jinchuriki could've talked to other Bijju U_U

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His similarity with the first ever Jinchuriki as shown above
 

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Minato is Jinchuriki and so is Naruto U_U

I thought that was obvious when this happened

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& Son goku knows that kurama is only half how? He doesnt, saying that he's a jinchuuriki doesnt change anything as he has no clue that kurama was even cut in half.

Only a Jinchuriki could've talked to other Bijju U_U

I'm sorry but did I miss the proof stating this? I must have..

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His similarity with the first ever Jinchuriki as shown above

Okay, he resembles the sage, this has nothing to do with the point. Kurama without yin is incomplete & thus not a true bijuu, which in turn makes naruto a pseudo jinchuuriki.

Naruto will get kurama's yin half so dont worry he'll be a true jinchuuriki soon enough Lol.
 

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Minato is Jinchuriki and so is Naruto U_U

I thought that was obvious when this happened

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Only a Jinchuriki could've talked to other Bijju U_U

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His similarity with the first ever Jinchuriki as shown above

Well said :O
 

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& Son goku knows that kurama is only half how? He doesnt, saying that he's a jinchuuriki doesnt change anything as he has no clue that kurama was even cut in half.



I'm sorry but did I miss the proof stating this? I must have..



Okay, he resembles the sage, this has nothing to do with the point. Kurama without yin is incomplete & thus not a true bijuu, which in turn makes naruto a pseudo jinchuuriki.

Naruto will get kurama's yin half so dont worry he'll be a true jinchuuriki soon enough Lol.

As far as the manga is concerned Naruto is the 9 tails jinchuuriki and it's been 100% confirmed Minato is also one. This true bijuu and pseudo jinchuuriki is all fan made.
 

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& Son goku knows that kurama is only half how? He doesnt, saying that he's a jinchuuriki doesnt change anything as he has no clue that kurama was even cut in half.



I'm sorry but did I miss the proof stating this? I must have..



Okay, he resembles the sage, this has nothing to do with the point. Kurama without yin is incomplete & thus not a true bijuu, which in turn makes naruto a pseudo jinchuuriki.

Naruto will get kurama's yin half so dont worry he'll be a true jinchuuriki soon enough Lol.

Kurama [the one inside] has taken chakra from Naruto over the years as well, I believe that he's almost complete [although not as powerful as his former self]

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The Kurama that is inside of Naruto has his own Yang + Naruto's Yin chakra [given the fact he used to recognize the evil Naruto as the "real" Naruto] vice-versa for Minato U_U

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And I finally had to read over and over to understand kurama has both his yin and yang chakra only half his power was sealed away not and I did some research and watched the anime kurama can manifest flesh and bone watch the last fight between Naruto and pein you will understand
 

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I think Naruto is the jin but minato isn't... In essence you could say that the mass of chakra that's talking to minato isn't actually kurama at all but just his chakra manifesting itself spiritually. It may talk but in the end it's only a mass of chakra
Kurama himself is a mass of chakra you dingleberry.
 

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I don't think minato is a jin... I have my reasons=D
 

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If it looks like a duck, moves like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck, there's no such thing as a pseudo jinchuuriki, both Naruto and Minato are full fledged jinchuuriki. Not only that, but they are stronger than most other jinchuuriki.
 

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I don't think it's that they're pseudo-Jinchūriki, I think it's that they're just weakened Jinchūriki. Ginkaku and Kinkaku and Sora (anime character) were pseudo-Jinchūriki because they had no Bijū in them at all, yet they still had Jinchūriki powers.
Naruto and Minato DO have a Bijū inside them, though it is weakened. Therefore, I think they are true Jinchūriki like B, they just have a weaker Bijū.
 
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