The knowledge and jutsus

[unknownvillain1254]

Misconception is he absorbed jinton >>> FRS but fact is, FRS takes so much chakra, a chakra beast like naruto can only use it four times in beginning with SM mode. RS >>> Jinton. Madara absorbed shinju but shinju =/= chakra. Madara never absorbed shinju with his rinnegan power.

No it's a matter of chakra control and skill level simple as that
Because his father was trying to complete that Jutsu but he died before he could finish it

 

[salamander uchiha]

No it's a matter of chakra control and skill level simple as that
Because his father was trying to complete that Jutsu but he died before he could finish it

@ bold nice fanfic

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

then how did he absorb shinju? Shinju is the collection of all the chakra....jinton point is acceptable

Shinju was absorbed with Hashirama SM mode.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

No it's a matter of chakra control and skill level simple as that
Because his father was trying to complete that Jutsu but he died before he could finish it

Madara dont say preta but nagato says preta. If madara knows preta and was rinnegan jutsu he wouldve said it. He admitted FRS was too much energy.

 

[Prince Badman]

And you also have to add and he did all of that and a 90 year old body

Nagato was like 35-40 not 90...he wasn't older than Tsunade and she was in 50-60 range

Shinju was absorbed with Hashirama SM mode.

Sage mode is absorbing nature's chakra......Shinju is the true form of juubi ie it is the collection of biju chakra......i don't think you can absorb biju chakra with SM

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Sage mode is absorbing nature's chakra......Shinju is the true form of juubi ie it is the collection of biju chakra......i don't think you can absorb biju chakra with SM

Shinju is not the collection of the bijuu's chakra, it's the true form of the bijuu jubī.

 

[SenseiSama]

Nagato was like 35-40 not 90...he wasn't older than Tsunade and she was in 50-60 range



Sage mode is absorbing nature's chakra......Shinju is the true form of juubi ie it is the collection of biju chakra......i don't think you can absorb biju chakra with SM

NE is not chakra, it's a universal energy that the Shinju's chakra is made of, you can absorb chakra from bijuu with SM but it's a feat only jinchuuriki can do because they have bijuu chakra as well. Naruto did it against Obito and Kaguya and Obito did it against Madara.

 

[Prince Badman]

Shinju is not the collection of the bijuu's chakra, it's the true form of the bijuu jubī.

i already stated that....juubi was the collection of all tailed beasts and it was originally the shinju....still you skipped the fact that it can't be absorbed using sage mode

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Nagato was like 35-40 not 90...he wasn't older than Tsunade and she was in 50-60 range



Sage mode is absorbing nature's chakra......Shinju is the true form of juubi ie it is the collection of biju chakra......i don't think you can absorb biju chakra with SM

Yes he was that old but you have to remember he sacrifice his entire life force to use the soul dragon when a friend got killed. So basically he was 30 with a body of a 90 year old

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

i already stated that....juubi was the collection of all tailed beasts and it was originally the shinju....still you skipped the fact that it can't be absorbed using sage mode

Jubi is not the collection of all tailed beasts. Its natural energy + vital energy according to hashirama. Jubi tree had chakra of all tailed beasts. Thats all. If preta can absorb yang chakra or life containing substances it wouldnt have failed agsinst naruto shadow clone jutsu.

 

[Prince Badman]

NE is not chakra, it's a universal energy that the Shinju's chakra is made of, you can absorb chakra from bijuu with SM but it's a feat only jinchuuriki can do because they have bijuu chakra as well.

any proof???? NE is different chakra is different...it was shinu's fruit that gave Kaguya the chakra......Nagato absorbed Naruto and BEE's chakra using preta when they were using their respective biju chakra.....Senjutsu chakra = physical + spiritual + Nature energy. this was what Fukasaku explained to Naruto.....Naruto was the only jinchuriki capable of sage mode...Madara too Hashi's chakra using rinnegan and stabilised it using his implanted cells.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

@ bold nice fanfic

Uchina fan lie what's new it takes years to learn how to use elements and it takes years to be able to shape it and combine it in the perfect ratio which is why Naruto used thousands of Clone to speed up the learning process

 

[Prince Badman]

Jubi is not the collection of all tailed beasts. Its natural energy + vital energy according to hashirama. Jubi tree had chakra of all tailed beasts. Thats all. If preta can absorb yang chakra or life containing substances it wouldnt have failed agsinst naruto shadow clone jutsu.

Shinju took the jubi form to take back chakra....SOSP distributed it and created the biju from it.....what are you talking about???? Preta path didn't fail against Naruto....because it was the original which tacked him and not a clone...as for when it turned to stone it did because Nagato didn't know how to control NE

 

[SeveN797]

Like everything related to the Rinnegan - it was never explained. Though it's not that hard to make the educated assumption that, like many details over the course of the manga, Kishi kept making shit up as he went along. In my opinion/educated assumption, Kishi thoroughly planned out all of the Rinnegan abilities when he created Pain. Then, after the arc, he decided to write in the plot twist that "Madara" (Tobi) was the one who gave Pain the Rinnegan. All's well so far. But then he decided to have "Madara" (Tobi) take the Rinnegan and give the Edo Tensei Jin a copy of one as well... and that's where I believe Kishi threw things out the window as at that point he had already made up his mind to introduce all the overly-complicated plot threads with Madara and Obito, not to mention that plot-wise Obito + Edo Jin with even ONE of the Pain's abilities each would have completely shat on Naruto/Bee at the time of their fight.

BUT THEN he gave the real Madara BACK his Rinnegan and again, at that point, Madara would have ABSOLUTELY shat on everyone had he been able to use ALL of the Pain's abilities - so Kishi nerfed the Rinnegan. Now Sasuke is a different matter all together as, unlike the Sharingan, we've never encountered two Rinnegan users before. So you could make the argument that in Sasuke's case he either doesn't have access to the same abilities or that he's simple not as experienced/doesn't know how to use them. Again, In my opinion Kishi made the decision to have Sasuke only be able to use a few NEW abilities exclusive to himself as not only would Sasuke be just as OP as Madara at that point but since Kishi already made up his mind to nerf Madara's usage of the Rinnegan it would only make sense to nerf Sasuke's "potential" usage as well.

This is the correct answer, Rinnegan is imo the most nerfed thing in the manga to the point that someone with borrowed eyes showed more feats than original users which is absurd. Then again I can understand that, Nagato's power was just Rinnegan, but who were the next Rinnegan users? Genius Uchiha's with either MS or EMS, so all Rinnegan powers in conjuction with what Sharingan already provides, things like Susanoo, Kamui etc. it would be to much for anyone to handle.

Kishi created an op dojutsu to the point :

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That only taijutsu should be able to kill the user. I don't think it was a coincidence that Sasuke got access to preta only at the end of his fight with Naruto.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

any proof???? NE is different chakra is different...it was shinu's fruit that gave Kaguya the chakra......Nagato absorbed Naruto and BEE's chakra using preta when they were using their respective biju chakra.....Senjutsu chakra = physical + spiritual + Nature energy. this was what Fukasaku explained to Naruto.....Naruto was the only jinchuriki capable of sage mode...Madara too Hashi's chakra using rinnegan and stabilised it using his implanted cells.

Clearly another misconception. Kaguya was the first person to use chakra. Not first person to get. Chakra is physical + mental energy. Combining it creates the said energy, the first one to use it that was kaguya. Kaguya didnt eat the shinju, but the fruit. Different things. Natural energy =/= chakra. Its another sort of energy like physical, mental and spiritual energy. Combining it is senjutsu = body + mind + nature in equal proportions. When did nagato absorb naruto's kyuubi chakra? He absorbed bee's chakra.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Uchina fan lie what's new it takes years to learn how to use elements and it takes years to be able to shape it and combine it in the perfect ratio which is why Naruto used thousands of Clone to speed up the learning process

Utter nonsense you implied chakra control and skill level. Those weren't the factors that allowed Naruto combine the change in nature with change in form.

Naruto was able to use Shadow clones due to Kurama's healing factor, endurance and stamina reseves granted to him by being it's host.

 

[chaos control]

Misconceptions again. Rinnegan has an absorption which is generic to all users. Nagato calls it preta path and has unlimited absorption. Madara said "too much energy" when absorbing RS. Rinnegan absorption has limit. Preta path does not.

Madara said too much energy, meaning that it was too much to get hit by without having his edo body crumple to pieces. He didn't mean that it was too much to absorb, as evidenced by the fact that he absorbed the whole jutsu.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Madara said too much energy, meaning that it was too much to get hit by without having his edo body crumple to pieces

No. He clearly meant the opposite. Whats the link between body crumbling and too much energy?

. He didn't mean that it was too much to absorb, as evidenced by the fact that he absorbed the whole jutsu.

He absorbed it, but it was his limit. The rinnegan absorption limit.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Utter nonsense you implied chakra control and skill level. Those weren't the factors that allowed Naruto combine the change in nature with change in form.

Naruto was able to use Shadow clones due to Kurama's healing factor, endurance and stamina reseves granted to him by being it's host.

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Chakra control

And skill AKA experience

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[Tyrance sasuke]

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Chakra control

No it is not. Change in form + change in nature requires natural talent and sense.

And skill AKA experience

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Kakashi rephrased it. He said not experience, but rather natural talent. Experience aint doing sh*t. Why do you think only a few are capable of using shape + nature manipulation? Why can't experienced people like kitsuchi of stone village use it?